Poll:So the new spider man is half black, half hispanic ,what do you think escapist.

[aba1]

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Can you please explain how this new guy can be spiderman? I mean peter got bit right so this guy is conviently going to get bit by the same spider what 20 years later at the same timer peter dies to take up the mantel I mean seems a little convient doesnt it?

I guess my only problem would be poor writting and less the character.

 

[StBishop]

Ultimate isn't part of the main story right? And all that should really matter is the quality of the writing. I understand people cringing at this maybe being a kind of comic book affirmative action, but they'll come around as long as the writing holds up.

Edit: Didn't they do this with Nick Fury as well? I don't remember too many people complaining about that.

It's because they made him Samuel L Jackson.

 

[Kinokohatake]

I love the comments that say the only reason the character is a minority is to be ethnically diverse. Because if you are a super hero you have to be white. I honestly can't wait to see what they do with the character, my only gripe is the costume. I hate the look of it. So that makes Ultimate costume I hate and the Future Foundation costume I hate. Why can't Spidey wear Red and Blue. Future Foundation Spiderman looks like a giant condom.

 

[Logan Westbrook]

yeah I read up on the big batch of crap and just shook my head, Killing peter parker okay but they are purposely picking a more racially diverse character to be Politically correct and I hate PC I hate PC with a freaking passion PC is whats killing all original thought in this country.

Do you mean actual political correctness, which is an effort to create a more inclusive society, or straw man political correctness that is wheeled out whenever someone gets in trouble for making some sort of poorly thought out comment about another gender or race?

I mean all political correctness I've yet to see a worthwhile use for it in any society except to stamp out free thought.

There are so many things in this world that are horrible yet we concentrate on what might offend people...yet could careless half the time about whats actually killing them or truely segregating them instead we worry about if their feelings are hurt instead of their actual liberties and freedoms.

I'm curious about what free though you think political correctness is stamping out. That is to say, I'm genuinely curious because it's a viewpoint very different to my own.

Also, while I agree that there are some pretty big societal evils that we need to address, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to and make the language we use more inclusive. In fact, in may ways they are part and parcel of the same efforts.

 

[Jonny49]

I already left a comment on the IGN article, but I'll repost it here.

I think the people saying that it doesn't matter since the mainstream Spider-Man is still Peter are all missing the point. I can't speak for everyone who hates this change, but personally I just don't like that this is a character we have never seen or heard of, and is only being made black/hispanic in order to be ethnically diverse- something that even black and hispanic people are groaning over in these comments. While I don't personally like having characters 'taking up the mantle' in comic (With some exceptions), I technically have nothing against a Spider-Man who isn't Peter Parker, or a Spider-Man who isn't white. If this guy had been introduced to us before now, and had been established as one of Peter's friends that could conceivably take up the mantle, then fine. Or even if they had decided to make this into an Ultimate version of Miguel O' Hara and his villains/supporting cast, that too could have been cool.

But nope, brand new character, brand new supporting cast, most likely brand new villains...a superhero is so much more then a costume or a mantle. The person underneath the mask is what makes a superhero who they are. Peter Parker IS Spider-Man, Bruce Wayne IS Batman, Clark Kent IS Superman. It's not just powers and tights. It's why I never actually felt like I was reading Batman when he was replaced with an Iron Man/Punisher wannabe, it's why I never felt like I was reading Spider-Man when Ben Reiley took over, it's why why people hated Frank Castle as Captain America. It just isn't the same without the people who defined what it is to be the specific hero. Maybe Miles will end up being a really great, fun character. Maybe his supporting cast will be the best thing to ever happen to comics. But without Peter Parker, without Mary Jane or Aunt May or Gwen Stacey, without Jameson or the Osbornes to turn Spidey's life into a living hell, it just isn't Spider-Man. It's somebody pretending to be someone else, especially when they have no ties to the supporting cast whatsoever.

Further, if they wanted to make a superhero with a more ethnically-diverse cast, then why not just make a new super hero? Answer: because only hardcore comic fans will hear about it. Marvel wants new readers, and they want to appeal to a larger audience. Since no one will hear about a new super hero, they have to do it with a popular mainstream hero that everyone knows...like Spider-Man. A move like that is more likely to gain attention in the media then a new hero ever would.

That sums up my opinion perfectly.

 

[pspman45]

it seems like somebody is trying to win the Racial Acceptance reward!
but seriously, fuck you marvel. Not only do you feel it necessary to reboot and likely murder my favorite superhero, but you're doing it just so you can make the Avengers movie, which I get the feeling will be crap anyway

 

[Raregolddragon]

My question is he going to have spider-mans powers? I mean come on was there another radioactive spider running around?

 

[aba1]

This is why I don't read comics: they kill off the main character and KEEP GOING. The series should die as well.

This. They remind me of soap operas.

I actually agree I think this is part of the reason why manga is doing so well here now because the stories arnt afraid to end and if a character dies they arnt afraid to leave him dead and let the other characters take over the plot. Basically manga is plot driven rather than character which at least in my opinion is better.

 

[Sevre]

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Can you please explain how this new guy can be spiderman? I mean peter got bit right so this guy is conviently going to get bit by the same spider what 20 years later at the same timer peter dies to take up the mantel I mean seems a little convient doesnt it?

I guess my only problem would be poor writting and less the character.

Out of curiosity, have you ever read a comic book by Marvel or DC? The writing is atrocious and the plot is nonsensical for the majority of comics. Sure you have the graphic novels and collections which can be stellar, but for the most part comic book writers have never cared about anything other than fan service.

Take for example X-Men, go read the synopsis for The Dark Phoenix Saga and tell me it's not convoluted.

The reason this is convenient is because IT'S ALWAYS CONVENIENT. There are literary techniques based around how convenient comic book writing is, i.e. comic book death, girlfriend in the freezer etc.

OT: It doesn't matter what the colour of his skin is, it's just a change to keep things fresh. DC purge their entire universe and Marvel make a character half black, the irony is that the Marvel fans are more pissed off.

 

[Laser Priest]

Are they giving any valid reason or is it just "GUYS LOOK WE MADE HIM TWO MINORITIES! WE ARE SO DAMN ACCEPTING OF OTHER RACES!"

 

[aba1]

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Can you please explain how this new guy can be spiderman? I mean peter got bit right so this guy is conviently going to get bit by the same spider what 20 years later at the same timer peter dies to take up the mantel I mean seems a little convient doesnt it?

I guess my only problem would be poor writting and less the character.

Out of curiosity, have you ever read a comic book by Marvel or DC? The writing is atrocious and the plot is nonsensical for the majority of comics. Sure you have the graphic novels and collections which can be stellar, but for the most part comic book writers have never cared about anything other than fan service.

Take for example X-Men, go read the synopsis for The Dark Phoenix Saga and tell me it's not convoluted.

The reason this is convenient is because IT'S ALWAYS CONVENIENT. There are literary techniques based around how convenient comic book writing is, i.e. comic book death, girlfriend in the freezer etc.

OT: It doesn't matter what the colour of his skin is, it's just a change to keep things fresh. DC purge their entire universe and Marvel make a character half black, the irony is that the Marvel fans are more pissed off.

but thats just it look where it has gotten them comic books are getting steadily less popular with time but if you look at say manga which can actually have great stories that are still long but the plots make sence are getting more and more popular... actually I think I will make a thread about just this .

 

[Sevre]

but thats just it look where it has gotten them comic books are getting steadily less popular with time but if you look at say manga which can actually have great stories that are still long but the plots make sence are getting more and more popular... actually I think I will make a thread about just this .

That's subjective, you say above that manga lets a character die and get on with it. Have you ever read Bleach? Dragonball maybe?

Manga has always been popular, it's just getting a bigger following in the West now because of the internet. I've always preferred manga to comic books, but I'm not going to lie, the stories can be just as bad. But like comic books you can have some great ones, they're a lot more similar than you think.

 

[Darkfiretiger]

I say wait a while and see what this new character is about they could create a new and intereting character and a sutable heir to the spiderman legacy who just happens to be multi-racial... or they could create new "PC"-spiderman.
Give it time and let them fail before you send in hate-mail.
He-he that rymes.

 

[Safe in the Dark]

i honestly couldn't care less what happens in ultimate spiderman, or any comic for that matter.

Then why post in a the thread then? Doesn't interest you, then don't post saying that it doesn't interest you, simple as that. Same goes to the rest of y'all posting similar posts.

On-Topic: Eh... I see it as kind of a quick shallow leap to add diversity, nothing against Miles, he just ain't Pete.

 

[standokan]

They did what?

I just litteraly laughed my ass off, that's just prepostorous.

 

[aba1]

but thats just it look where it has gotten them comic books are getting steadily less popular with time but if you look at say manga which can actually have great stories that are still long but the plots make sence are getting more and more popular... actually I think I will make a thread about just this .

That's subjective, you say above that manga lets a character die and get on with it. Have you ever read Bleach? Dragonball maybe?

Manga has always been popular, it's just getting a bigger following in the West now because of the internet. I've always preferred manga to comic books, but I'm not going to lie, the stories can be just as bad. But like comic books you can have some great ones, they're a lot more similar than you think.

there are not all that many mangas where they do that that I can think of to be honest bleach hasnt really done it dragon ball z did but even then it was only the z half if you take dragon ball on its own it didnt do that at all. Also I was partly getting at how they will have different comics all of the same characters so you cannot follow it. american comics tends not to have a very linear structure which is what I think pushes people away and keeps noobs out. For example with DC doing the relaunch this sept they have batman, batman and robin, batman the dark knight, batgirl etc etc well how is batman in all these places at once? It doesnt let you follow the timeline because there is none its just sorta a random bunch of events that sorta happen and you except.

 

[Gigano]

Well, there's no continuity problem if it's another person, so no problems within the actual setting.

Would seem a whole lot more progressive if they didn't seem to focus on - and market it - like it was the grand opening at the circus in those articles though. When promoted that intensively, with grand statements on how diverse they want to make it all, then "Black and Hispanic people will buy anything if we throw them the bone of seeing their own race" kind of seem to be the actual vibe coming from it.

New superheroes should undoubtedly reflect society, and hence some of them should also be gay etc. But how very minority they are shouldn't really be what it's about.