Poll: Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Ares Tyr]

yes...yes they can, especially the Ori (evil counterparts). Even Anubis would if he wasn't stuck half way.

Can a single one commit a war crime by telepathically turning off everyone's light switch within a miles long radius?

Explain what these things are.

 

[-Seraph-]

The Ascended are essentially beings no short of being God. Think of Q from star Treck, that Ascended are pretty much the same to an extent.

 

[Elim Garak]

Nerdiest answer ever spoken:
Lightsabers deflect anything but other lightsabers and Cortosis.

And phasers set on wide beam. And explosives. And shotguns. And bullets from that DS9 gun that uses a transporter to materialize the bullet almost inside the target (goes through walls, etc.).

 

[SenyorLandline]

Ok, the Star Wars universe has lightsabers and the force, yes. However if the Q got involved then their lightsabers would most likely be turned into a comical cigar, and their force powers changed into being able to make baloon animals. Also the Empire vs all the races and their ships of trek? Could someone do some kinda size comparison for that?
Also technically the Star Trek universe is OUR universe, in OUR galaxy so perhaps Doc Who could turn up? And everytime he turns up he runs about a bit, jumps on some furniture and then makes some sort of amazing contraption to save the day. Thats if we are counting him aswel.
So far Star Trek is winning (mainly because of Q, if he/they get involved) but for old times sake i still love star wars....or star trek..... i guess for sheer power trek wins at the moment...

 

[hem dazon 90]

you can tell by me picture buyo.

 

[Elim Garak]

Star Wars. Any army, any ship, any environment. Let's compare the warrior races, shall we?
Mandolorians would RAPE Klingons, no question.

Mandolorians - don't know much about them. But there are ways of dealing with those - Jem'Hadar. Bred in a few days, built-in cloaking devices, ready to fight in 3 days. Not to mention advanced technology. Orbital weapons systems would take care of those.

They have better ship and weapons, better everything.

ROFL. Dude, this is the wrong area for this. They have some weapons that are more powerful, but TLs speed is pathetic. They are not even close to light speed. Whereas ST phasers are designed for battles at distances of light seconds.

Scenario: an SSD fights a Galaxy-class ST ship. SSD enters the system. ST ship enters the system, approaches to within 1 light second of the SSD. Both ships fire weapons. Phasers and photon torpedoes reach SSD in 1-5 seconds. SSD turbolasers reach the ST ship's last known location in lets say 8.3 hours (if we are generous and say that they travel at 10 km/s).

Factoring in maneuverability, it is obvious which weapons hit whom. The only thing that is better in SW is the hyperdrive. And there are still drives in the ST universe far, far, far superior to it.

And Jedi rape Mandos, so by transitive property of rape Jedi rape Klingons.

Riight. And the Borg assimilate the galaxy in a week. Jedi cannot be even classified as telepaths, unlike dozens of races in the ST universe.

 

[TheGhostOfSin]

The Ascended are essentially beings no short of being God. Think of Q from star Treck, that Ascended are pretty much the same to an extent.

Nevermind short of, they are Gods it's just that only half of them are man enough to admit it.

 

[Elim Garak]

*dons flame-retardant pants*
If we assume that SW's "lasers" are equivalent to ST's "phasers" (since both are described as not being lasers, but rather highly compressed, focused high-energy particle beams...)

Not quite. Phasers have an extra energy component that allows them to create that "vaporization" effect. Plus the speed of the beam is far superior to turbolasers. Pretty much light speed vs. about 10 km/s? A lot less in most cases - less than 1, usually.

then really the only ships the Empire will have trouble with are the Borg's (and the Prometheus prototype). But the Borg's ability does not extend to proton torpedoes, so even a Star Destroyer can take on a Borg cube.

The Borg ability does not extend to proton torpedoes because they have not encountered proton torpedoes. A few hits and they will be fine. They will adapt - that's what they do. That's all they do. I give the SW galaxy a week or two. Depends on how much the Borg want to push it, but their numbers can easily grow at a geometric progression.

 

[Elim Garak]

Actually... That is what the Force is for. Force Shield stops bullets, shotgun blasts, etc...

Do they stop bullets that materialize inside of the shields (DS9 episode)? Do they stop pure energy weapons without a material component? Do they stop somebody from just beaming the Jedi into space?

 

[Ares Tyr]

The Ascended are essentially beings no short of being God. Think of Q from star Treck, that Ascended are pretty much the same to an extent.

Nevermind short of, they are Gods it's just that only half of them are man enough to admit it.

Gods don't count. They're Gods. They don't have to work for power, they are born with it. That's racial elitism, and I won't stand for it.

 

[Elim Garak]

What does star trek even have. I haven't watched any of the series but as far as I can see, it's only one ship and they have laser guns. Star Wars as Jedi, the force, lightsabers, rancor, a Death Star and stormtroopers.

ST species as far beyond humans as humans are beyond mushrooms. Gods basically. Hell, they have nukes - I've yet to see any weapon in SW between an 120mm cannon and the superlaser.

 

[Elim Garak]

As for the reason I started the thread, I was actually looking for some Trekies (sp?) to chime in and give me their view.

Be careful what you wish for. Spent years in alt.startrek.vs.starwars. I have both ST technical manuals and can quote the number of joules in a kiloton (4.184*10^12) and the theoretical number of megatons that can be delivered by a photon torpedo (1.5 kg of antimatter => approximately 64.5 MT).

 

[TheGhostOfSin]

The Ascended are essentially beings no short of being God. Think of Q from star Treck, that Ascended are pretty much the same to an extent.

Nevermind short of, they are Gods it's just that only half of them are man enough to admit it.

Gods don't count. They're Gods. They don't have to work for power, they are born with it. That's racial elitism, and I won't stand for it.

They weren't born with power, they gained it through natural means that all organic life could aswell.

 

[qbert4ever]

Stargate beats both...
Seriously, instant travel to other planets?
Even for ships (supergate)
Why is every one here only doing one group vs. another when its suppost to be whole universes?

Tau'ri, Jaffa, Goa'uld, Tok'ra, Wraith, Kull Wariors, the Ori army, the Ori themselves, Ancients and Lanteans (yes they are different) would beat any-one without much trouble.


Besides any universe can be beaten by a single word...


Replicators.

Don't forget the Asgard. But I agree, Stargate more or less wins by default for the number of God-like beings that there are. However to stick within the topic at hand, I have to go with Star Wars.

Ah hell, let's just make it a free-for-all, shall we?

 

[TheGhostOfSin]

Don't forget the Asgard. But I agree, Stargate more or less wins by default for the number of God-like beings that there are. However to stick within the topic at hand, I have to go with Star Wars.

Ah hell, let's just make it a free-for-all, shall we?

And the Nox and Furlings...

 

[Elim Garak]

And I still back Bab5 because they have the elder races.

And Star Trek doesn't? Even if we ignore Q there are dozens that we've seen. "To the N'th Degree" aliens that advanced Barclay's brain to super-genius. Wormhole aliens that live outside of time. Dinosaur aliens from Voyager - does 65 million years count as elder? Those guys from Enterprise that pulled everybody's strings. Hell - Borg.

 

[-Seraph-]

The Ascended are essentially beings no short of being God. Think of Q from star Treck, that Ascended are pretty much the same to an extent.

Nevermind short of, they are Gods it's just that only half of them are man enough to admit it.

Gods don't count. They're Gods. They don't have to work for power, they are born with it. That's racial elitism, and I won't stand for it.

They were originally organic beings but evolved to the point where they were able to trans mutate themselves into an energy state. Achieving the highest level of evolution hence giving them god like powers. The only things they have not been known to be able to do are time manipulation, and randomly creating life, everything else is fair game with them.

 

[Elim Garak]

Not to mention the Borg - they alone could take down the SW universe.

How do Borg shields react to ion cannons? (ionized particle beams?)

The same way they react to all other stuff - they adapt. Ions are really easy to deal with, actually. Magnetic fields. For traveling at FTL through normal space you need to deal with ionized particles all the time. Plus the ST shields don't seem to be affected by ionization.

 

[chekt]

The problem with these types of threads is that usually both sides are ignorant of the other, except for a few, but those few waste their time arguing with the ignorant ones.

I know both the Star Trek and Star Wars universes (except for the expanded universe for both. I've seen most of The Original Series and up to near the end of Season 3 of DS9, and the good movies so I'm not about to start the books, but in the Star Wars universe, they clone the dead Darth Maul and then pit him against Darth Vader. Yea...), but I don't know about Doctor Who, Babylon 5 (unfortunately, I heard it was quite good), and Star Gate (which I've seen a few episodes of, they may have just been bad episodes, but I thought they were meh.).

Also, a quick google search of Replicators (the evil Stargate guys, not the stuff that makes food and stuff in Star Trek ), and they sound a lot like the Borg. And those God people sound a lot like the Q. And this is from an ignorant outsider's stand point, but Star Trek came first, and um. Maybe great minds think alike?