Poll: Starcraft 2: Are Terrans overpowered?

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Flying-Emu said:
BANELINGS. Use them, win.
Oh yes, Banelings. Love those little guys. Used to only use them offensively, didn't work too well against even lightly defended areas. Then (at 4am no less) I finally realized how to use them defensively. Die Mass-Marines, die.

And, just out of curiosity, what leagues are you in, Emu?

OT: No, not really. Like others have said, less of a learning curve and all that happy stuff, but if you know what you're doing it's fairly balanced.
 

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bansees are really over powerd in large groups they deal lots of damage and are invisible. but thats my only real complant
They're so fucking expensive tho. To get a decently sized group of banshees early requires a build made especially for that. From what I've seen, they don't come into standard play until fairly late at which point every race has their best units on the field. Banshees do awesome damage tho so I can see where you're coming from.
 

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I wouldnt say that terran is OP, but zerg needs a smallish buff and the effectiveness of some terran strats needs to be checked, terran has a lot of great units that counter zerg strats pretty niftily (thors > mutas, seige tanks and hellions > lings, vikings > zerg air e.t.c)
 

Frankster

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Can anyone provide links to decent proof that terrans are overpowered?

I'm a terran player (i always play humans in any game i play, down with the xenos!!!!) and in the bronze league so i know any thoughts i have are worth little (from the handful of times i tried the other races, zerg were the most complex and i fail hard at them, protoss are fun if they allow me to build up, really dunno how to play them early game D: ).

But about banshee rush (i love doing this as its easy harass), unless there's some top secret pro way of getting them even faster, i'm confident the speed i get them out can't be criticized :p Also i build 2x starports if i'm sure i won't get rushed/harassed so it's actually a 2x early banshee build: even at my fastest, if the protoss saw it coming they would always have a probe out, a photon cannon near the mineral line also cancels my rush out and makes me look for an easier target.

Zerg however....Tend to be screwed when i do this and usually need the help of one of their tms to oust my banshees. I have yet to see any overseers out in time to give them detect against this.
 

Frankster

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Twilight_guy said:
but instead zerg were hit with a series of nerfs right before release, like nydus build time went from 10 to 20 seconds
That example of a nerf doesn't seem like a bad one. Could you imagine how friggin devastating nydus would be if they could be made in 10 secs? o0
Bronze league i might be, but this seems to me a good nerf.

Still agree zerg need a bit more though, but making nydus in 10 secs wouldn't balance them, just give them one insanely effective strat.
 

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Frankster said:
Can anyone provide links to decent proof that terrans are overpowered?

I'm a terran player (i always play humans in any game i play, down with the xenos!!!!) and in the bronze league so i know any thoughts i have are worth little (from the handful of times i tried the other races, zerg were the most complex and i fail hard at them, protoss are fun if they allow me to build up, really dunno how to play them early game D: ).

But about banshee rush (i love doing this as its easy harass), unless there's some top secret pro way of getting them even faster, i'm confident the speed i get them out can't be criticized :p Also i build 2x starports if i'm sure i won't get rushed/harassed so it's actually a 2x early banshee build: even at my fastest, if the protoss saw it coming they would always have a probe out, a photon cannon near the mineral line also cancels my rush out and makes me look for an easier target.

Zerg however....Tend to be screwed when i do this and usually need the help of one of their tms to oust my banshees. I have yet to see any overseers out in time to give them detect against this.

here
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/375111759

First few pages are quotes and opinions of some of the best SC players in the world, further down are in depth reasons.

@Frankster, i meant 10 seconds to open the other end, not to build the nydus worm itself, used to only take 10 seconds to burst up, now its 20. basically if its SEEN, its already stopped. And good players see all u.u...
 

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Redratson said:
I have been playin alot of SC2 and I am at best, average with the games. But one day I hop on Facebook and saw the SC2 was getting a update and read the comments on there. Over close to 3/4 of the comments were complaing about Terrans being overpowered and needed to be nerfed which deeply pissed me off inside. I could not beleive what I was seeing, in my general opinion Terran are not overpowered and this is a strategy game not WoW for crying out loud. So my fellow my escapists, what is your opinion on this whining? Is it true or false?
Every time someone says, 'This is an X, not Wow", it makes me want to reach into the screen and punch you. Just so you know, World of Warcraft is probably one of the most influential and popular games ever made, and you hating it makes you look like an unpleasable prick.

I really, REALLY hate people that pick on World of Warcraft without argument, and hell, I don't even play it.
Okay first off that was pretty rude of you too say to a random person online, but thats the internet for yah.
Second off, I'm sry that it came off that way, what I meant by me saying "its not WoW" is that when I see people scream "NERF!" I automatically think of WoW and its community of whiners as reference, plus most people I know that have this game also have WoW and some of my SC2 friends on there have WoW as well, and a bit of them hint that terran needs a nerf here and there.

*on a side note I SC2 & WoW made by same company but I'm goin to safely assume that you know this already and I was trying to poke a little fun at that too.
 

Frankster

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DarkDain said:
sc2 snippy
Cheers for the link, it was very informative :)
I don't agree with some points (and judging by the comment remarks, i wasn't the only one) which definitly have the air of qq or someone too stuck in their old ways, pro or not.
Not to mention a bandwagon effect in peeps chiming to blame terrans for their woes when they struggle just as much against protoss.
But there are enough valid points to make it clear why such a debate exists.

Overall i get the impression it's less the terrans being overpowered and more the zerg needing some buffs.

Edit: Watching replays of IdrA who was responsible for the original comments confirms my view of the author being qq prone and stuck in their ways.
I'm not a big sc2 follower, i merely enjoy watching matches, even amateur ones.
And i can safely say he is easily the least likeable player i have ever watched matches off, especially when he loses :\
 

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I could be biased, since I use Terran quite a bit, but I think they might be a little overpowered. I dunno, maybe they just suit my playstyle well. I just like how they can switch from defense to offense in the blink of an eye.
 

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Sturmdolch said:
When people keep getting beat by the same thing, logic flies out the window and they scream "OP OP OP NERF NERF NARF NARF!"
Huh, I should use this quote on the "Snipers are overpowered omigosh, nerf!" thread I was on a little while ago.

OT: From what I've seen as an outsider, things look pretty balanced. That opinion may or may not change when I actually get a copy of it.
 

DarkDain

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Frankster said:
DarkDain said:
sc2 snippy
Cheers for the link, it was very informative :)
I don't agree with some points (and judging by the comment remarks, i wasn't the only one) which definitly have the air of qq or someone too stuck in their old ways, pro or not.
Not to mention a bandwagon effect in peeps chiming to blame terrans for their woes when they struggle just as much against protoss.
But there are enough valid points to make it clear why such a debate exists.

Overall i get the impression it's less the terrans being overpowered and more the zerg needing some buffs.

Edit: Watching replays of IdrA who was responsible for the original comments confirms my view of the author being qq prone and stuck in their ways.
I'm not a big sc2 follower, i merely enjoy watching matches, even amateur ones.
And i can safely say he is easily the least likeable player i have ever watched matches off, especially when he loses :\
Yeah idra is a known whiner in matches but if you look at alot of games you will see zerg player has to have a much higher APM and resource income just to break even, so there is still some truth too it, idra is also considered one of the best zerg in the world atm or at least in american bracket (he lives in korea though). Problem is, PvT is pretty much fair besides a little marauder/ghost issues (marauder > all gateway units), but zerg vs terran is the most disadvantaged.

Most say PvZ is even but there are some early gate tactics that can win too easily. I dont think that article mentioned how marauder/tank/viking/banshee/hellion/ghost/towers have + damage vs certain units, light or armored. While for zerg, banelings do +light and ultralisks do +heavy. And ultra's pathfinding is bad :(. Thus terran can make counters pretty easy, they also have all of the longest range ! Its an age old battle, 'hey this is scissors, paper is fine but rock could use a nerf.' Some might lose because they are bad, some will win because terran are easy, but i think the data/arguements shown thus far favor the zerg and blizzard seems to agree, they are working on patch. Ofc, if the terrans ever get too nerfed they'll be on the forum speaking about it too :3
 

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They aren't overpowered as much as the easiest faction to use and create builds (MMM ball, Mech) That are so easy to make and so hard to counter. (zerg and protoss)Need more options against them which can only be solved with nerfs
 

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Last Bullet said:
Flying-Emu said:
BANELINGS. Use them, win.
Oh yes, Banelings. Love those little guys. Used to only use them offensively, didn't work too well against even lightly defended areas. Then (at 4am no less) I finally realized how to use them defensively. Die Mass-Marines, die.

And, just out of curiosity, what leagues are you in, Emu?

OT: No, not really. Like others have said, less of a learning curve and all that happy stuff, but if you know what you're doing it's fairly balanced.
Yeah, just set them to auto-unburrow, bury a few packs around the map, and watch the carnage.

I'm only in Silver, but I'm at 14th in my league last I checked. I'm pretty sure that if I played a race that required a lower APM for success, I could easily get myself into Gold. Choosing Zerg was a mistake, since I only had limited RTS experience beforehand (SCI's campaign YEARS ago).

But now I love those little fuckers too much to leave 'em behind. And Drones are so cute!
 

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DarkDain said:
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Fair enough, well sc1 took ages to be balanced, it would have been naive to think sc2 would be balanced straight off the bat, even after that long beta phase :\

That said, i really hope they don't implement change the ai stuff IdrA was complainning about(minus the scvs repairing not being targeted first of course). Things like autorepair and scvs distributing themselves for mineral collecting might have upset the pros and ruined the esport scene (lulz....) but this one of the reasons i'm way more involved in sc2 then i was for sc1, as i can concentrate on the big picture and enjoyable aspects of the game.
If i manage to beat a "pro" because of those added elements, then lulz, maybe they ain't as good as they think they are -^
 

Ayush Passi

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If Dimaga is switching to Terran, and countless zerg players are switching to terran and getting better results, then something is wrong with zerg, or terran are just OP. I for one have no problem against Terran (I am toss), however I see that I am able to beat zerg too easily. I think its zerg that need to be buffed and not Terran that have to be nerfed. Nobody uses banelings/baneling mines...wtf. Use them.
 

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Flying-Emu said:
Yeah, just set them to auto-unburrow, bury a few packs around the map, and watch the carnage.

I'm only in Silver, but I'm at 14th in my league last I checked. I'm pretty sure that if I played a race that required a lower APM for success, I could easily get myself into Gold. Choosing Zerg was a mistake, since I only had limited RTS experience beforehand (SCI's campaign YEARS ago).

But now I love those little fuckers too much to leave 'em behind. And Drones are so cute!
I know what you mean. I got into Zerg when I was first introduced to SC1 just a few months back, and now I have trouble playing as anything else. It just feels too different, and I never build enough structures. So looking forward to Heart of the Swarm.
 

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I'm going to vote no. The only thing so far that seems like prime nerf bait is void rays. Once they get going they just melt through anything in nanoseconds. Really though, on the occasions where I've let someone build up a force of them, I genuinely deserved to lose.

Also, I am Protoss exclusive. My life for Auir!
 

MrMahalek

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As most people are saying it comes mostly down to their playability and all-roundedness, since most of the whingers are casual players of the game. But that said I do feel like their repair ability is possibly unbalanced, and I certainly think that zerg need more strength as not only are they a very difficult race to play but they seem to be very weak even for those who know how to play them....but im sure that blizzard will keep it all in check and the expansion campaigns should sort the noobs out :p