Poll: Suicide - Your opinion

[Umwerfer]

Really, isn't claiming the right to judge people driven to suicide a bit extreme? I do think it is to be wrong, perhaps even cowardly, but people usually have a pretty "good"(sad/terrible/disasterous/horrible) reason for choosing that kind of solution. And stop calling it selfish! Thats pretty much saying that it's bothersome for those left behind....instead of pitying those hit by the aftershoock of the event, worry about the individual at the epi-center.

 

[Insanum]

Hey Insanum, whats up? Wheres this Troll? Evil Jak's got your back... Ugh, that ryhmed... How embarrassing.

Two post above yours. Its fine so far...Its being handled by top men (so far)

Well, I am just saying... things should calm down now that I am here, amatuer trolls are no match for... EVIL JAK!

So Jack - Whats you OT opinion? (to try & get things back OT)

 

[park92]

if you want to die join the army and die as a hero at least then your not killing yourself

 

[Kinguendo]

There's nothing funnier than paranoid troll hunters who are so obsessed with finding trolls that they derail the thread in the process. Soon enough the thread is no longer about its intended subject, but devolves into an argument about who's supposedly trolling. Seen it happen a million times and it never gets old. The troll hunters never even realize that they're just chasing their own tails.

Oh, I wouldnt worry about that. We arent searching for a Troll here... we know its you.

 

[Insanum]

if you want to die join the army and die as a hero at least then your not killing yourself

That wasnt quite the question, Whats your opinion of suicide itself?

When you join the army you run the risk of becoming dismembered/dying painfully.

 

[Kinguendo]

Hey Insanum, whats up? Wheres this Troll? Evil Jak's got your back... Ugh, that ryhmed... How embarrassing.

Two post above yours. Its fine so far...Its being handled by top men (so far)

Well, I am just saying... things should calm down now that I am here, amatuer trolls are no match for... EVIL JAK!

So Jack - Whats you OT opinion? (to try & get things back OT)

Well, I put depends. Cos'... well, it does.

If someone has lost their wife, children and belongings in some tragedy then I could understand that, I could also understand if someone wanted to die after being paralyzed from the neck down but I can never understand why rich, white kids cut themselves because of some deluded reason and simply having that "reason" makes people tell them to stop being pethetic which then makes them worse... basically, I cant understand the people who set themselves up for a fall and then kill themselves because of that.

 

[DoctorObviously]

Cowardly, if you jump then that means you give up, and you shouldn't let your problems win.

 

[King of the N00bs]

suicide is okay for those who have no life anyway. and i mean life by a good one not some sucky one in wich you are simply writhing in the pain of major depression but cant get yourself out of the bottomless pit. People say that suicide is cowardly, is not living just as cowardly? those who fear death are the ones who cower, I include myself among them. But I only fear death because I believe that nothing is without reason. there has to be a reason for life and emotions. but those people who took their own lives didnt beleive in anything.
And why should people feel so sad? we should feel happy for them. in their last moments, for the first time in 5,10, maybe even 20 years they were truly happy.

of course then there are the little pussys who just ***** and moan and kill themselves because they didnt get what they wanted.whatever it was.

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

That's a little broad, but I mainly agree with you. Saying that a person doesn't choose their own life is only true to some extent, people have the power to dratically alter their own circumstances.

I said that you don't choose to live. Im saying life itself is forced upon you. Of course, you can try to change the circumstances of your life, but for some people changed circumstances won't inspire any more will to live.

I hate to say it (well, I really don't care, but I'll seem more sympathetic if I say I do) but, the belief that the loss of will to live could simply be changed by changing the circumstances surrounding your life is a romantic and idealistic idea.

Things happen, and you can reach points of no return. Just like there are some things you just can't forgive other people for committing, you can reach a state where it won't really matter what you do or what someone else does. There is such a thing as a permanent and irreverible loss of will to live.

But really, just saying it's selfish because it hurts your family and friends kind of sucks. When I was suicidal many years ago, pretty much the only thought that kept me alive was that my mother would grieve. Other than her, no one really struck a chord with me. I had a lot of friends I knew would be devestated if I died, but they weren't exactly jumping to my aid to keep me alive. If I only speak to someone once a week, a month, a year, and they don't notice or care if I'm in crippling emotional and physical pain, why should I live through it to prevent their grief and preserve their status quo? Them wanting me to go through that for their convenience is selfish.

That's up to each and everyones own judgement. If you deem your physical and/or emotional pain to be to great and irreversible, then I wouldn't stop you from commiting suicide. Even if I were your friend.

What I would do though is despise you a little for letting your emotional state reach such a point of no return. It's not like that kind of feeling comes all of a sudden but rather it is something that's built up over time. If you were my friend you could have come an talked with me sooner, quite simply if you knew that the weight of the world was to great to bear you could have at least tried to let me help you carry it. That's what friends do. But you can't expect friends or loved ones to "just know" that you're in distress, you have to tell them.

So if I found out that one of my friends or even family suddenly had commited suicide, I wouldn't grieve. I would be a bit angry with them for not talking to me about it, but it was their choice. Both to disregard trying to speak to me, and to take their own life. that wouldn't make me very sad, just bitter...

 

[mightybozz]

Suicide is an end to life. I see no evidence for an afterlife, so ending your life is ending everything you can ever be and experience. It would have been nice to have an option in the poll saying "bloody stupid".
If someone wants to kill themselves then society needs to stop them and help them improve their life, out of simple humanitarian feeling. The only exception would be where the rest of your life is guaranteed to be painful and degrading, hence I support euthanasia for the terminally ill.

 

[Xigageshi]

I would have voted for selfish, cowardly and probably wrong as well if I could vote for multiple options. I've known people who contemplated it, even talked someone out of on two separate occasions.

The world can be a cruel place to live sure, it can be lonely, it can be painful but pain is what makes us human. Letting your mistakes or your situation get the best of you helps nothing, its just an easy way out, thats the definition of cowardly. Forgetting and forgiving the past is just as important as learning from it.

This idea that only the "godless" kill themselves though is ridiculous, people need to understand the difference between correlation and causation. maybe more blondes kill themselves than brunettes, does that mean being blonde causes suicide? of course not.

if anything, the religious should be more prone to suicide since, after all, this life is only a holding area to them right? see how pedantic these kinds of pernicious ideas are? its hyperbolic and irrelivant to the discussion at hand. I'm an athiest and I think suicide is cowardly, I can recall at one point honestly wondering about it, and deciding right there that since this is the only life I get, and life is so rich and diverse it would be a veritable crime to snuff it out over anything temporary.

change is an inevitable part of our existence, it is how we handle it, cope with it and how we change for the better and learn from the past that makes us who we are.

/endrant

 

[Xigageshi]

Suicide is an end to life. I see no evidence for an afterlife, so ending your life is ending everything you can ever be and experience. It would have been nice to have an option in the poll saying "bloody stupid".
If someone wants to kill themselves then society needs to stop them and help them improve their life, out of simple humanitarian feeling. The only exception would be where the rest of your life is guaranteed to be painful and degrading, hence I support euthanasia for the terminally ill.

spot on mightybozz, i'm right there with you!

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

...

Okay, this rarely, rarely happens, but I am at a complete loss for words. I literally have no idea what to say to this: it's the kind of thing where it's impossible to logically combat a response so lacking in rational thought in the first place.

So you know what, I withdraw. Doesn't mean you're right, it simply means I have no fricking idea how to talk to someone with such screwed up ideas. I'm sorry, I normally don't back away from a fight, but normally my opponent actually makes sense. Message me if you really have to hear some sort of comeback, and I'll try to do my best.

Good luck with your delusional and disrespectful attitudes toward human life.

Im being perfectly rational. The reason why you're at loss of words is because you suffer from a bit too much idealistic thinking.

I have no such illusions myself. Life is nothing to be respected, not even human life. It's just a random chemical reaction to begin with. A human life is only worth more than the life of an ant due to idealistic principles, invented by ego-centric humans, but from the objective standpoint the life of a human being isn't worth more than the life of a single ant.

When you've realized this, it's easy to point out exactly how selfish most human behaviour is. Even procreation. To find that procreation is an act of "giving life" is rather self-excusing and idealistic in nature. In reality, it's only an act of charity if you can guarantee that the recipient of life is actually enjoying it. If you can't then it is only an act of the selfish desire to spread your genes. The same selfish and primitive desire that is pre-programmed into most mammals.

My ideas aren't screwed up. They're not even ideas. It's just the truth, without the customary sugar coating that you and the majority of citizens from industrialized nations are so used to. That's why you find it shocking...

 

[Housebroken Lunatic]

If someone wants to kill themselves then society needs to stop them and help them improve their life, out of simple humanitarian feeling.

Being a bit sanctimonious much?

Why should society stop them and completely override their right to control their own demise? You would be treating those people the same way you treat convicted criminals, you do know that don't you?

 

[crepesack]

don't do it unless you DISHONOR YOUR FAMIRY. no suicide ain't good it's the ultimate qualification for a darwin award. Alternatives include sucking it up and moving on or yummy yummy pills.

 

[Insanum]

don't do it unless you DISHONOR YOUR FAMIRY. no suicide ain't good it's the ultimate qualification for a darwin award. Alternatives include sucking it up and moving on or yummy yummy pills.

/Sarcasm Much? So your saying its wrong?

 

[Acidwell]

I can see the point that it is a very annoying method of attention seeking as well as op's collegue thinking it's selfish since after all it is the biggest suck ever, "if you are going to be like that i'm not talking to you or anyone EVER again".
But in the long run i think its down to the person themselves. Personally i'd never kill myself because the way i look at life is that something good will eventually come up.

It isn't just about the people you leave behind, its about the people you haven't met yet.
(cookie for reference)

 

[mightybozz]

If someone wants to kill themselves then society needs to stop them and help them improve their life, out of simple humanitarian feeling.

Being a bit sanctimonious much?

Why should society stop them and completely override their right to control their own demise? You would be treating those people the same way you treat convicted criminals, you do know that don't you?

I suppose so. The point is that life is a one-shot deal. There's nothing else, and the end of existence produces oblivion. All suicide achieves is misery. Far better to prevent misery and try to make people into a productive force rather than let them die before they contribute.

 

[Shycte]

You don't know how we roll here. The Moderators don't like when you call people "piece of shit" and "retard". But I'm sure you will realise that soon enough.

I'm going to get banned? From a forum? On the Internet?! Oh no! How will I keep myself entertained now?

Because of HIS opinion.

Opinions are overrated.

Really, you are to damn obvious. Go back to fucking /b/.

How can I go back to a place that I've never been to? You silly person.

So opinions are overrated now?

Why are we even talking about this then? Ot maybe, opions that don't match yours are overrated. Because you beileve that you are 100 % correct and everyone else is wrong. Yeah, that's more like it.

You are not even able to have a real discussion without calling people idiots and morons just because they don't agree with you.

I know of this one guy called Stalin, I think that you would like him. He also didn't like people who disagreed with him. Now Stalin killed millions of people, and I'm not saying that you did so.

But you need to be more tolerant.