Poll: Suicide
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(I'm not even going into the argument that suicidal people don't take into consideration the feelings of the survivors they leave behind...)
Life is a gift. I think that's a statement we can all agree to be true. So, given that truth, why should I support those who feel the need to throw that gift away just because they're suffering? There are hundreds upon thousands of people who are suffering every day, but they push through. They carry with them the hardened fortitude of someone who WANTS to survive. The purpose of life is to endure the hardships and above all things, survive. That's what gives life flavor, that's what makes it worth living, the fight.
On the other hand, consider those who want to live but can't due to some untreatable illness (perhaps cancer). Are you really going to support 'Suicidy McRazorblade' who is in good physical health when there are others who would give damn near everything to have that level of physical wellbeing?
"Suicidies" need to take a good hard look at their existential vacuum and realize that there's a lot more they have going for them than they know...Or just grab the kitchen knife and quit breathing the air of those who want to live.
Cold, callous, but calculated.
*Update: Eli Wiesel was the guy I was thinking of...Look him up some time. Great stuff on existentialism and the forces that drive a man forward.*
Life is a gift. I think that's a statement we can all agree to be true. So, given that truth, why should I support those who feel the need to throw that gift away just because they're suffering? There are hundreds upon thousands of people who are suffering every day, but they push through. They carry with them the hardened fortitude of someone who WANTS to survive. The purpose of life is to endure the hardships and above all things, survive. That's what gives life flavor, that's what makes it worth living, the fight.
On the other hand, consider those who want to live but can't due to some untreatable illness (perhaps cancer). Are you really going to support 'Suicidy McRazorblade' who is in good physical health when there are others who would give damn near everything to have that level of physical wellbeing?
"Suicidies" need to take a good hard look at their existential vacuum and realize that there's a lot more they have going for them than they know...Or just grab the kitchen knife and quit breathing the air of those who want to live.
Cold, callous, but calculated.
*Update: Eli Wiesel was the guy I was thinking of...Look him up some time. Great stuff on existentialism and the forces that drive a man forward.*
Oddly enough, "manning up" out of depression is really the best way.Novs said:
But rather than endure it, you bury it.
I do things bigger than I should, and it's the only way I've been able to live my life. The moment I stop is the moment I regress back two or three years to watching traffic and wondering what sounds my bones would make under car tyres.
Thank you, that's exactly what I wanted to say.Icehearted said:
The people who do mock them just don't understand, it's as simple as that. I believe everything should be mocked but not the people who are going through shit. I find that most of 'em see no future for themselves any where in this world and lose hope very easy if even one treatment doesn't work. It can get so bad that the things you usually enjoy or found comfort in will no longer help at all, depression eats away at your motivation and confidence till you have none at all.
The mind is one of the most complex things ever and is really really fragile. All these arrogant people who think it's cowardly or stupid can easily fall into depression themselves if life turned really sour on them. They should be happy that they've never experieced it themselves, not making fun of those who suffer.
I disaprove of suicide as I think it's the easy way out of problems... A lot of the time people say "oh you need to be so brave to kill yourself" but they seem to forget that suicide implies problems and suicide as a solution to problems implies not dealing with them.
There ARE cases where you can NOT do anything about your problems and there are a lot of situations where death is a really nice solution as facing the problem is neither honorable nor pretty (prison gang rapes comes to mind).
But in the bulk of the situations its just running away. So I don't have a lot of sympathy for such an action. I do understand that they are in a hard place I probably never have been in but still it's not brave or courageous or nothing like that.
But still I wouldn't make fun of that. I'd laugh at a comic that approaches that topic but laughing at a specific person for a specific suicide... I don't think I'd do that. Much less cracking the joke myself...
EDIT: I forgot about terminal illness! If you count euthanasia as suicide I'm all thumbs up for it...
There ARE cases where you can NOT do anything about your problems and there are a lot of situations where death is a really nice solution as facing the problem is neither honorable nor pretty (prison gang rapes comes to mind).
But in the bulk of the situations its just running away. So I don't have a lot of sympathy for such an action. I do understand that they are in a hard place I probably never have been in but still it's not brave or courageous or nothing like that.
But still I wouldn't make fun of that. I'd laugh at a comic that approaches that topic but laughing at a specific person for a specific suicide... I don't think I'd do that. Much less cracking the joke myself...
EDIT: I forgot about terminal illness! If you count euthanasia as suicide I'm all thumbs up for it...
I've mercilessly mocked the warped rationale behind the idea of any one deciding to be a suicide homicide bomber, and martyr themselves for whatever reason they come up with, so I picked sometimes. Which is not to say I'd laugh if a Joe Somebody that I knew or read about killed himself cause he was depressed or something because I wouldn't given how a High School Teacher who was a friend to my family killed himself
People who kill themselves don't have any support with their problems, or in some cases problems they give themselves. Personally I think they only way to condone it is when something so horrible has happened to someone or continues to happen to someone and they can't handle it. Even then it's not really okay in my opinion. Seek help, go to therapy, have friends who stick by you.
I never really founf the opportunity to make a crack about it in a setting that wouldn't offend anyone.
So, no, i haven't.
So, no, i haven't.
I'm not going to vote. None of the options seem to match my stance on the issue at hand.
Yes, I have lost people to suicide.
Yes, I regularly talk one of my friends out of suicide (she has D.I.D, amoung other things)
Yes, I have made suicide jokes, before and after these events.
99.99% of cases where people commit suicide, it is an incredibly selfish act. There is almost no situation that calls for it. There are, however, cases where people really are better off. Although they are almost non-existent. It is also, not always the easy way out. Sometimes there are other triggers. I myself almost committed suicide a couple of months ago, as a result of side effects to Strattera (medication for ADD/ADHD). My friend with D.I.D has trouble because when her 'other selves' come out, some try to kill her, as strange as that sounds. It is not always a dislike of the current situation, or an easy way out.
If we as human beings cannot learn to laugh at everything in life, good and bad (even if we feel a little guilty afterwards), what do we truly have left? I admit I have a particularly dark sense of humor, but that is not the only thing that allows me to laugh at such jokes.
Yes, I have lost people to suicide.
Yes, I regularly talk one of my friends out of suicide (she has D.I.D, amoung other things)
Yes, I have made suicide jokes, before and after these events.
99.99% of cases where people commit suicide, it is an incredibly selfish act. There is almost no situation that calls for it. There are, however, cases where people really are better off. Although they are almost non-existent. It is also, not always the easy way out. Sometimes there are other triggers. I myself almost committed suicide a couple of months ago, as a result of side effects to Strattera (medication for ADD/ADHD). My friend with D.I.D has trouble because when her 'other selves' come out, some try to kill her, as strange as that sounds. It is not always a dislike of the current situation, or an easy way out.
If we as human beings cannot learn to laugh at everything in life, good and bad (even if we feel a little guilty afterwards), what do we truly have left? I admit I have a particularly dark sense of humor, but that is not the only thing that allows me to laugh at such jokes.
Only once and that was because the guy beat me up in middle school 6 years later it turned out he got high on meth and killed himself. I received the news in front of his little brother so I waited till later to smile. Yeah I can hold a grudge, but in retrospect I am sad but at the same time he thought he was hot shit back in the day so I guess I'm amused by the irony of it.
This.Womplord said:
The exception being if you have a particular responsibility to someone, for instance if you have a child that will have to be put into a home because their single parent ended their own life.
However, either way, what people seem to not realise when they use the 'selfishness' argument is... no, a person doesn't think about their friends and family when they commit suicide... THEY DON'T THINK AT ALL. It's not natural to end your own survival, you're not right in the head. There's no room for selfishness in their mind; on the accounts of many who've tried and failed to kill themselves, at the time there's nothing in their mind at all.
Maybe it's because I'm kind of a nihilist and don't believe there's any real point to life and you're going to die someday anyway, but if someone ends their life I feel that it's their choice and I only hope for their sake that it was the best decision. Even when my mum threatens it now I'm not sure if it's my place to intervene or not.
On a slightly lighter and silly but still macabre note, suicide bombers.
You know that there told that they will go to paradise where they will each have 100 virgins waiting for them? Well i don't know but it seems to me that that's not so grate. i mean it's awkward enough trying to do the dirty with just one virgin...never mind 100 of them. I recon they'd get well more takers if they said that you would go to heaven and you would get two absolutely beautiful girls but they are proper slags instead...which is well more fun.