Poll: Suicide
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I would never make fun of a suicidal person, but I would approve of their actions.
Just thought of something: how is suicide cowardly and selfish? Ironically enough, wanting to keep a suicidally depressed person alive for whatever moral reason is equally, if not, more selfish than their action. Why should that person remain alive for everyone else's pleasure and happiness?
Just thought of something: how is suicide cowardly and selfish? Ironically enough, wanting to keep a suicidally depressed person alive for whatever moral reason is equally, if not, more selfish than their action. Why should that person remain alive for everyone else's pleasure and happiness?
Yes it really is idiotic to want death "over a life of suffering" because life can get better, once you die it's game over. Many religions view suicide as a sin so even if you believe, it's not an improvement. Life can always get better, never forget that, there are success stories everywhere that show how people who push through the pain and never give up can always make their lives better. They may not be perfect, but they will get better.Icehearted said:
Oh, depression is the sort of illness that, if it strikes properly, renders you impotent.Novs said:
Most people claim to feel depressed when really they just feel sad.
Feeling strong emotion is a good day when you have depression, even if its melancholy.
Suicide is the coward's way out in most cases.
My views on suicide go like this. If they're in horrific pain, and they're going to die a incredibly painful death no matter what anyone does, then they should have the right to take their own life to end their own suffering. Also if they are incapable of doing it themselves they should have the right to be assisted in dying, because if I was disabled and unable to move I know I wouldn't want to keep going. Life isn't life if I don't have freedom of movement.
On the other side there's emotional pain, and this is why suicide has always been on a case by case basis for me. Someone who is suffering tremendous physical pain should not be forced to wait for release from said pain. However emotional pain is something that can heal over time. Many people take their lives because they see themselves as lost, and their life left in ruins. They see everything as a lost cause, and think their lives can only get worse. These people to me, are cowards. Their is always something you can do to improve your life, you can work towards you goals, or you can find someone to help you push forward, suicide is never the answer to emotional pain.
The only time I insult/make fun of someone who is suicidal is when they make it known that they want to commit suicide. Announcing this to your loved ones is incredibly selfish, it's basically meant to grab attention, and have people worry about you. Besides, most people who make their intentions to commit suicide known to others never actually go through with it, because that's all it was, a way to get attention.
However suicidal thoughts are natural, I don't condemn people for having them, just keep them to yourself, and confide in others about what's making you have these thoughts (without revealing that you're having them).
My views on suicide go like this. If they're in horrific pain, and they're going to die a incredibly painful death no matter what anyone does, then they should have the right to take their own life to end their own suffering. Also if they are incapable of doing it themselves they should have the right to be assisted in dying, because if I was disabled and unable to move I know I wouldn't want to keep going. Life isn't life if I don't have freedom of movement.
On the other side there's emotional pain, and this is why suicide has always been on a case by case basis for me. Someone who is suffering tremendous physical pain should not be forced to wait for release from said pain. However emotional pain is something that can heal over time. Many people take their lives because they see themselves as lost, and their life left in ruins. They see everything as a lost cause, and think their lives can only get worse. These people to me, are cowards. Their is always something you can do to improve your life, you can work towards you goals, or you can find someone to help you push forward, suicide is never the answer to emotional pain.
The only time I insult/make fun of someone who is suicidal is when they make it known that they want to commit suicide. Announcing this to your loved ones is incredibly selfish, it's basically meant to grab attention, and have people worry about you. Besides, most people who make their intentions to commit suicide known to others never actually go through with it, because that's all it was, a way to get attention.
However suicidal thoughts are natural, I don't condemn people for having them, just keep them to yourself, and confide in others about what's making you have these thoughts (without revealing that you're having them).
I contemplated it for ridiculously stupid reasons.
OT: I haven't derided anyone, if anything I've tried to discuss with them why they felt necessary to do such a thing and talk about their problems.
Personally I think it is completely stupid unless the individual doesn't have a lot of time left to live and is an extreme amount of pain. I've already told my parents that if something like that ever happened to them I'd gladly help them out.
OT: I haven't derided anyone, if anything I've tried to discuss with them why they felt necessary to do such a thing and talk about their problems.
Personally I think it is completely stupid unless the individual doesn't have a lot of time left to live and is an extreme amount of pain. I've already told my parents that if something like that ever happened to them I'd gladly help them out.
I would never mock someone that I knew was actually suicidal or properly depressed. I mock people I know who occasionally pretend to be depressed for attention. People who say they're depressed because they failed their driving test again are not depressed; it's not a sudden thing.
Every week I have conversations with a girl who tried to commit suicide, so no, I do not mock them. I almost broke down in tears listening to why she tried, that was hectic stuff, and to mock anyone in her position for it would be booking a first class ticket to hell.
I don't have an option.... When I was younger and stupider one of my classmates was suicidal and as a gaming geek who wanted nothing more than to be accepted I followed everyone else and made fun of her for it.... looking back now i am disgusted with my self.... people who are suicidal need help and people who mock them are barely human, myself included 
. (need option for used to and now feel disgusted with myself.)
. (need option for used to and now feel disgusted with myself.)
Agreed. How on earth is it cowardly? Honestly, that is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. I bet that, if half the people who call it cowardly had the choice of killing themselves or killing someone they cared about (hypothetical situation, make it up), they would choose the latter. Suicide is hard. No one wants to die. Sometimes it just seems like the only way out.Kevlar Eater said:
touchy subject, i think its ok for close friends to banter about something like that, but anyone else, no, not even family.
i once said to my friend, i was thinking about suicide, not seriously considering it though. he made a joke about it, and we had a laugh about it. i maybe would have considered it but now when i think about it i always think of that joke, and just lifts my spirits.
i once said to my friend, i was thinking about suicide, not seriously considering it though. he made a joke about it, and we had a laugh about it. i maybe would have considered it but now when i think about it i always think of that joke, and just lifts my spirits.
No, and I think anyone who does is being a jerk.
I always hate it when people say, You know, your problems aren't that bad, oh, your parents only fight a little of the time, or something like that. The people who live by this mantra better never ever get sad, because you know, there are starving kids in Africa. No pressure or anything.
Everyone's problems are real to them, and if someone thinks their life sucks enough that they don't want it anymore, respect that and realize that in some way, these "minor problems" are clearly the biggest deal ever to this person. It takes a lot of subconscious mental gymnastics to get to the point of suicide, because humans are animals and animals are evolutionarily hardwired nnot to want death. Maybe it's brain chemistry; maybe it's something else, but No one just wakes up one day and consciously decides, "You know what the best way out of this problem is? I should die! That way I don't have to deal with anything." It's a hair-tearing, soul-sucking, life-consuming concept, born out of desperation and the inability to see any other way out. It's not an "easy way." It's an "only way." You can't call people a coward for not perceiving something, or not being able to viscerally understand at the time that yes, there are better ways. Understand that these people aren't doing this for the hell of it; they honestly do not see any other option, and not because they consciously decide not to.
I honestly think that "teenagers wanting attention" makes up a negligible percent of suicidal people. Some of that can be interpreted also as "I don't know how to help myself now, so if I'm loud enough other people who know what they're doing will try to help." That's not attention whoring; that's sensible.
I'll quit ranting now, but as a person who has had suicidal inclinations in the past, I feel horribly slighted when people laugh it off as attention whoring or being a selfish, cowardly asshole.
I always hate it when people say, You know, your problems aren't that bad, oh, your parents only fight a little of the time, or something like that. The people who live by this mantra better never ever get sad, because you know, there are starving kids in Africa. No pressure or anything.
Everyone's problems are real to them, and if someone thinks their life sucks enough that they don't want it anymore, respect that and realize that in some way, these "minor problems" are clearly the biggest deal ever to this person. It takes a lot of subconscious mental gymnastics to get to the point of suicide, because humans are animals and animals are evolutionarily hardwired nnot to want death. Maybe it's brain chemistry; maybe it's something else, but No one just wakes up one day and consciously decides, "You know what the best way out of this problem is? I should die! That way I don't have to deal with anything." It's a hair-tearing, soul-sucking, life-consuming concept, born out of desperation and the inability to see any other way out. It's not an "easy way." It's an "only way." You can't call people a coward for not perceiving something, or not being able to viscerally understand at the time that yes, there are better ways. Understand that these people aren't doing this for the hell of it; they honestly do not see any other option, and not because they consciously decide not to.
I honestly think that "teenagers wanting attention" makes up a negligible percent of suicidal people. Some of that can be interpreted also as "I don't know how to help myself now, so if I'm loud enough other people who know what they're doing will try to help." That's not attention whoring; that's sensible.
I'll quit ranting now, but as a person who has had suicidal inclinations in the past, I feel horribly slighted when people laugh it off as attention whoring or being a selfish, cowardly asshole.
Suicide is a cowardly despicable action. In killing yourself you are abandoning your family and friends, you buck up and work through it. This isn't me talking out of my ass, I attended a conference where a team of people who had been through hard times came to talk to a school about suicide. Every one of them had a story and all of them were horribly tragic, one man even owns a gun that he originally bought to kill himself with but he got help and now he is married and has an incredible life.
"Buck up" is one of the worst things you can say to someone who is really depressed. "Hey, clearly this is your own darn fault, now pick yourself up and go on because you're choosing to feel this crappy!"AMAZED said:
When the brain chemistry says you're depressed, oftentimes you need external help to fix it. Blaming someone's bad situation on themselves is a great way to look like a dick and make nothing better.
"Life is like a movie; if you've sat through more than half of it and it's sucked every second so far, it probably isn't gonna get great right at the end and make it all worthwhile. No one should blame you for walking out early."
?Doug Stanhope
And that's my feeling on suicide. Have I ever made jokes about it? Yes. Have I ever considered it? All the time. But its a decision one makes when one's back is up against the wall. And honestly, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It's not the "cowards way out" (people who say that are often the people who mock failed suicide attempters as pussys, and I'm sure you see the contradiction there), it's an alternate solution to a major problem.
These last few days a friend of mine has been feeling extremely awful about a wealth of things (he gave me the long version. It ain't pretty.) and has been considering pulling the plug on his own life, if for no reason other than because he's simply tired of all the day-to-day bullshit and emotional drama he has to deal with. Does that make him a coward? I mean, really?
[Mind you - I'm not pushing him one way or the other. I am simply trying to help him with his issues. Don't start yelling at me.]
As for "it's the easy way out"... Yeah, ok, killing oneself instead of continuing on is the easy route, but in the end, what does it matter? You will die eventually.
?Doug Stanhope
And that's my feeling on suicide. Have I ever made jokes about it? Yes. Have I ever considered it? All the time. But its a decision one makes when one's back is up against the wall. And honestly, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It's not the "cowards way out" (people who say that are often the people who mock failed suicide attempters as pussys, and I'm sure you see the contradiction there), it's an alternate solution to a major problem.
These last few days a friend of mine has been feeling extremely awful about a wealth of things (he gave me the long version. It ain't pretty.) and has been considering pulling the plug on his own life, if for no reason other than because he's simply tired of all the day-to-day bullshit and emotional drama he has to deal with. Does that make him a coward? I mean, really?
[Mind you - I'm not pushing him one way or the other. I am simply trying to help him with his issues. Don't start yelling at me.]
As for "it's the easy way out"... Yeah, ok, killing oneself instead of continuing on is the easy route, but in the end, what does it matter? You will die eventually.