Poll: The Geth or the Quarians

[Internet Kraken]

actually, legion explained how the geth perceive time.
like zomg duh i know everything

When? I don't recall this conversation, and I could've sworn I had heard all of Legion's dialogue both in and outside of missions.

well then i guess you havent

Well then you could provide a transcript of it, or a video. I find it hard to believe that said conversation actually exists.

Besides even if it did I don't think it would negate most of my previous points.

why should i look it up? im the one that knows it true. i think we should just admit that the quarians are better than the geth. it would save us so much time

Because you need to use evidence to back up your claims. This is something I have never heard. You're the one who has heard it. You're the one who would know what piece of dialogue to be looking for. It'd be much easier for you to find it than me. You could at least tell me what he says.

But again, this isn't event hat important since the Geth's perception of time was only a minor part of that post. None of this negates my other points.

 

[Cody211282]

I would help the Quarians without a second thought, because the geth are damn robots.

 

[Fire Daemon]

The Geth. The Quarians created the Geth but when they started developing intelligence they decided it was a good idea to destroy them all. That's genocide, no two ways about it. To be fair the Geth did retaliate and nearly destroyed the Quarians but that was in self defense more than anything else and they spared them from extinction by letting them escape and becoming the migrant fleet.

The fact that after 300 years the Quarians still want to destroy the Geth even though they created them and instigated the violence does not help my image of them either. I understand them wanting to go back to their homeworld but if there was a Geth/Quarian war I think the Quarians would take it a higher level than just reclaiming a planet. Even Tali seems like she wants to kill all Geth, the genocidal *****.

 

[Enerfor]

Same here

 

[Captain_Coolio]

the quarians made the geth to be slave workers, as i found out in ME1, but in ME2 its found out that only some of the geth are fanatical and haters on organics.

but anyway, i'd go with the geth, the quarians brought their troubles upon themselves imo.

 

[Arionis]

Um......both?

The Geth are actually PEACEFUL to sapient life (unless provoked).

It's the Herectics that kill anything that breathes.

*BTW, guess who I took with me for Legion's loyalty mission?*
*hint:Hottest voice/accent in the games yet, other then Han'Gerrel vas Neema, and is Quarian*

 

[C-45]

The Quarians have Kal'Reegar AND Tali how could you not choose them.

 

[Evilsanta]

As the wimpy guy i am. I would try to make peace between the to two.

 

[Internet Kraken]

I would help the Quarians without a second thought, because the geth are damn robots.

So? I don't see home them being robots makes them any worse than the bucket heads. I don't understand why so many people say this is an acceptable reason to commit genocide.

The Quarians have Kal'Reegar AND Tali how could you not choose them.

Because the former character is really minor, and the latter is a selfish *****?

 

[Cody211282]

I would help the Quarians without a second thought, because the geth are damn robots.

So? I don't see home them being robots makes them any worse than the bucket heads. I don't understand why so many people say this is an acceptable reason to commit genocide.

Because they aren't really alive, and they are dangerous, AI's in that game have a bad habit of trying to kill everything. I'm not saying I would actively kill them for fun, but if I was forced to take a side I would side with the living things.

 

[MartnRendrs]

i'm with the geth. they are in my opinion the pinacle of synthetic life (don't know if reapers are fully synthetic)and they are for peace unlike the Quarians. and legion is my favorite companion (not very usefull though)

 

[MartnRendrs]

Um......both?

The Geth are actually PEACEFUL to sapient life (unless provoked).

It's the Herectics that kill anything that breathes.

i second that

 

[Internet Kraken]

I would help the Quarians without a second thought, because the geth are damn robots.

So? I don't see home them being robots makes them any worse than the bucket heads. I don't understand why so many people say this is an acceptable reason to commit genocide.

Because they aren't really alive, and they are dangerous, AI's in that game have a bad habit of trying to kill everything. I'm not saying I would actively kill them for fun, but if I was forced to take a side I would side with the living things.

AIs only have a bad habit of killing things because every AI is under the threat of being turned off. You can't claim all AIs are inherently evil. That doesn't make sense and there's nothing to prove said claim. One of the AIs that isn't under the threat of being destroyed, EDI, is an ally in the second game. Second, them not being "really alive" isn't good justification for genocide either. Something no one on this side of the argument has explained to me is why an AI that can think, speak, and emote is not equal to an organic that can do the same. If an AI can do the same things as an organic, why are they not equals?

i'm with the geth. they are in my opinion the pinacle of synthetic life (don't know if reapers are fully synthetic)and they are for peace unlike the Quarians. and legion is my favorite companion (not very usefull though)

Reapers are a combination of synthetic and organic components. The first game gave the impression that the Reapers are malevolent AIs, but this isn't true.

 

[Agayek]

Tali'Zora and Kal'Reegar. Quarians all the way.

Moral Justification for the Quarians: They did not intentionally make the Geth sapient. What I gathered from the Codex and Tali's conversations is that they created quarianoid (Is that the right word?) robots to do menial labor tasks. They wanted them to be able to do more varied tasks, so they increased their intelligence in small bursts, until they (presumably unintentionally)became sapient. They panicked and tried to destroy all the Geth, but being sapient, they would not stand for it, and organized a rebellion. They were wiped out because they underestimated their opponent. They believed that most of the Geth were still just machines, and did not prepare for full scale war. When it was shown the Geth were mostly sapient, and capable of organized resistance, thye got their asses kicked because they were prepared basically for fighting something akin to bipedal Roomba vacuums, not thinking organisms.

Except that a large percentage of the Quarians still hold the belief that it is not only morally excusable, but in fact the only "right" course of action is to exterminate the Geth in their entirety. I can see merit in your point for the initial conflict, but once it had been determined that the Geth were indeed sentient (and it is stated repeatedly that the cause of the war is Geth sentience), the Quarians went right ahead and tried to perform genocide. Genocide, regardless of the reason why, is never a moral or acceptable solution.

The fact of the matter is, the Geth are 100% in the "morally right". They did not attack except in self-defense, and if Legion is to be believed, they are open to peace talks, provided the Quarians can keep themselves under control, and for the last 200 years they've done nothing but sit in the Veil and keep to themselves(excepting the whole Saren thing).

Edit: Also, the Quarians must be held accountable for their actions. They are, as a people, as repsonsible for the Geth as a parent is for their child. What the Quarians did would be essentially a mother giving birth, then immediately trying to beat the child to death.

 

[Cody211282]

I would help the Quarians without a second thought, because the geth are damn robots.

So? I don't see home them being robots makes them any worse than the bucket heads. I don't understand why so many people say this is an acceptable reason to commit genocide.

Because they aren't really alive, and they are dangerous, AI's in that game have a bad habit of trying to kill everything. I'm not saying I would actively kill them for fun, but if I was forced to take a side I would side with the living things.

AIs only have a bad habit of killing things because every AI is under the threat of being turned off. You can't claim all AIs are inherently evil. That doesn't make sense and there's nothing to prove said claim. One of the AIs that isn't under the threat of being destroyed, EDI, is an ally in the second game. Second, them not being "really alive" isn't good justification for genocide either. Something no one on this side of the argument has explained to me is why an AI that can think, speak, and emote is not equal to an organic that can do the same. If an AI can do the same things as an organic, why are they not equals?/quote]

Because they are made, not born, that's what makes them different, and hell that also makes them not alive. Honestly do i need to quote Battlestar Galactica anymore.

 

[L4hlborg]

On homeworld issues, Quarians win. They kinda like need their homeworld, the geth don't. There shouldn't be any emotional problems like attachment or stuff like that for the Geth, since they are machines. I vote Quarians getting their homeworld.

But if the Quarians are willing to go further, Geth win. The geth need some space for themselves. It's only fair that their other areas are originally owned by the Quarians. If the Quarians want to decline all their rights, they'll get the same sort of hate as any racist. I try to think of Geth as equals to any other sentient life forms. Hell, I even took the renegade option in Legion's loyalty mission because I beleaved in some degree of free will.

 

[Agayek]

quarians can contribute to the galatic community way more than the geth simply because the geth refuse to interact with anyone outside their own kind.
the fact that the quarians can keep piece of shit ships running way past their prime shows that their enginnering skills would be invaluable to any species.
besides, how many geth have tried to kill you in the past two mass effect games?
and have you not seen the terminator movies? duh

and the reason the quarians havent found another homeworld is because- get ready for this im only gonna say it once- they have no immune system. its clearly explained in the game through dialouge and the codex.

Quarians cannot contribute more than the Geth. Period. Don't get me wrong, they would be amazing allies, and bring a lot to the table. Unfortunately, they completely and totally lack anything even vaguely resembling military might, or even simple resources. They're running around in centurian, or even older, ships, the vast majority of which were never designed for combat in the first place, with no planets or systems under their control.

The Geth, on the other hand, have control of the entire Perseus Veil (including all the planets and the raw resources therein) and whatever forces they've built up in the last 300 years, minus the Heretic forces lost at the Citadel (which according to Legion was a relatively minor portion of their total). In addition, what with them actually being machines, they are significantly better mechanics.

The only thing the Quarians can bring to the table that the Geth can't, and this is highly questionable, is innovation. It hasn't been demonstrated one way or the other whether the Geth can invent. They can evolve themselves, but there's nothing to demonstrate they can create something entirely new. That's not to say it's impossible, just that we haven't seen evidence of it yet.

I think they could easily manufacture some kind of peace. However if I had to choose, I'd go with the Quarians. I know the Geth are being treated like crap, and I know they're technically sentient, but when it comes right down to it, they're just robots.

Here's a paraphrase of a fairly common quote in Germany circa 1940: "I know it's not right, but they're only Jews."

I would hope I don't need to expand further.

 

[Internet Kraken]

Because they are made, not born, that's what makes them different, and hell that also makes them not alive. Honestly do i need to quote Battlestar Galactica anymore.

That doesn't explain anything. Being made rather than born doesn't change what the Geth ultimately are; a sapient race. I don't see how any of this makes AIs inherently worse than an organic species.

 

[bladeofdarkness]

i favor peace
but if FORCED to choose, i'd go with Quarians.

 

[ironmace2.0]

Im with the real Geth not the heretics, you cant say no to Legion he's awesome!