Poll: Why shouldn't I convert to Islam?

[Ghostkai]

Not Islamophobia, my opinion. Which the OP asked for.
I hate all religions equally.

Why hate? Just ridicule. It's FAR more entertaining watching them dance.

True that ^_^

 

[Bibliomancer]

Gotta ask why you want to follow it first.
Can't say I agree with the religion to put it bluntly, anything in which women are regulated to 2nd tier citizens isn't my cup of tea.

In what way does Islam treat women as second class citizens? Have you ever lived in a muslim country?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
I disagree with much of what Islam teaches, although I'm not much for organized religion. I will say though, that converting to a religion shouldn't really be so clinical. If you don't feel in your heart that it is the right thing to do, and you have to get opinions on the internet, then perhaps it isn't the right path. If I was going to convert to something, I'd want to be completely sure, and if I wasn't, I wouldn't do it.

 

[Eldritch Warlord]

No because you're looking to me, a faceless Internet character known only by a strange name and symbol, what you should do. Faith is about what you believe and nothing else.

Since you're asking though I believe Islam intentionally suppresses free thinking by being highly ritualized. Islamic practice centers around an elaborate set of highly specific rules covering not only prayer and charity but also arbitrary eating regulations and even dress.

Before the "Muslim civilization was once the most enlightened on Earth!" argument comes up: any screaming horde that brutally conquers Alexandria is bound to have a few curious people have a look at the library. Since Islam doesn't institutionally purge knowledge they can benefit from the study of those that came before.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

Not Islamophobia, my opinion. Which the OP asked for.
I hate all religions equally.

Why hate? Just ridicule. It's FAR more entertaining watching them dance.

True that ^_^

I'm not a fan of religion either but let's at least treat them fairly. Afterall, it's so easy to misrepresent and oversimplify something you only have casual knowledge about.

 

[scarbunny]

From your user name and avatar I would assume some kinda of sudo-communist student type. However if you truly believe in the teachings of Marx then you would see that Communism and Religion are held to be incompatible.

To quote Marx himself

Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions.

Although the quote is ambiguous at best, the general consensus is that he was speaking against religion.

Also Lenin’s wrote in his book "Religion"

Atheism is a natural and inseperable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism

and is further critical in "About the attitude of the working party toward the religion" where he wrote

Religion is the opium of the people: this saying of Marx is the cornerstone of the entire ideology of Marxism about religion. All modern religions and churches, all and of every kind of religious organizations are always considered by Marxism as the organs of bourgeois reaction, used for the protection of the exploitation and the stupefaction of the working class.

Ernesto Guevara was himself an atheist.

On the other hand if you truly believe in the teachings of both Marx and Islam, then you should do what you feel is best for you. Fuck what your friends think and fuck what a bunch of randoms on the internet think. If you have truly had a belief in something and your research has lead you to the decision that Islam is the one truth then do it.

Of cause if you are just doing it because mummy and daddy wont like it then its probably not a great idea.

 

[Ghostkai]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr-vt2DTCFw&feature=related

 

[massau]

1. God isn't real.

2. Islam oppresses women.

3. Islam preaches that homosexuals and Jews should be stoned to death.

Many many others, but you asked for 3.

Ladies and gentlemen, let the Islamophobia begin!

Not Islamophobia, my opinion. Which the OP asked for.

I hate all religions equally.

agree the god religions must be banned but not Buddhism because it they don't believe in a god and it is more like a way of life like if you make a fault they say that you have learned something and there sad if they didn't make a fault
but al religions that are aggressive to another one is bad
and if there oppresses women it is even worse

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

Because converting to a religion is false, you can't honestly just start believing something.

Why not ?

This is just replying to everyone who just quoted me.

If you are born into a religion, the physical and spiritual truth of that religion is drilled into your head from an early age, and at such an impressionable time, you believe it, and so you go on believing it.

If you just find a religion, it's a bit like saying, I now pronounce that I believe in an invisible teacup in space. Because there's no real reason to believe this, I think of it as false. There was no background to this post, if the OP had said, I have had a personal experience with Islam, and now I see its spiritual truth, I would almost understand but at the moment it seems unjustified.

I can give other reasons why its stupid to just convert if anyone wants.

 

[Corpse XxX]

Religion is the ultimate partypooper, and should be stopped on sight..

 

[Baby Tea]

This is just replying to everyone who just quoted me.

If you are born into a religion, the physical and spiritual truth of that religion is drilled into your head from an early age, and at such an impressionable time, you believe it, and so you go on believing it.

If you just find a religion, it's a bit like saying, I now pronounce that I believe in an invisible teacup in space. Because there's no real reason to believe this, I think of it as false. There was no background to this post, if the OP had said, I have had a personal experience with Islam, and now I see its spiritual truth, I would almost understand but at the moment it seems unjustified.

I can give other reasons why its stupid to just convert if anyone wants.

I'm glad you posted this clarification, because I was confused by what you meant.
But Now that I understand your position, I fully agree.

Converting to religion just because you like the name, or because it's convenient, or to impress someone, or whatever...is pointless and meaningless. You don't actually believe it, you just like certain aspects of it (Even if those aspects are, in some cases, strictly aesthetic).

But, like Shred said, if you have had a 'spiritual' or 'philosophical' revelation that leads you to see what you perceive as the truth in a specific worldview, then that makes sense. Then you begin to see the honesty and sincerity of a conversion.

So the question isn't: Why shouldn't I convert?
It's: Why should you?

 

[sneakypenguin]

Not saying Christianity is always better, but just taking baptist methodist and such, that women are on equal ground as men.

Obviously not all Christians treat women as property, but some do. Same as Islam. Some parts of the Islamic world treat women as second class citizens, while the vast majority doesn't. You have problems when Christianity is painted by the same broad brush based on the actions of a few, and then you turn around and do the exact same thing and say all Muslims treat women as second class citizens. Kinda hypocritical don't ya think?

Not in the least, in Christianity(not catholic) it is very rare for people to regulate women to 2nd class, and when it happens most christians will criticize that group of people. Whereas in islam you have whole countries that treat women as 2nd class and it's not a sect its the "base" of the religion. And there is no outcry from muslims saying hey saudi arabia iran iraq afgan your WRONG to treat women like that.

 

[StarStruckStrumpets]

If you honestly believe that Islam is the one truth, then you should follow it. If you don't believe it, then you shouldn't. It's as simple as that. Faith cannot be dictated by those around you, it is a matter of belief or disbelief.

^This

Indeed so.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

This is just replying to everyone who just quoted me.

If you are born into a religion, the physical and spiritual truth of that religion is drilled into your head from an early age, and at such an impressionable time, you believe it, and so you go on believing it.

So you define "true belief" as whatever you've been indoctrined to believe in (whatever's been "drilled into your head") through family pressures - not what you've come to believe in as an independent, rational adult?

Yikes.

 

[Baneat]

1. God isn't real.

2. Islam oppresses women.

3. Islam preaches that homosexuals and Jews should be stoned to death.

Many many others, but you asked for 3.

Even if you follow a faith, you don't actually have to follow all the rules, especially those that may contradict your own ethics.

After all, were that not true, even Homosexual Christians wouldn't exist.

Homosexual christians just blindly choose to ignore certain parts of the bible that don't agree with them. So basically they're the same as any other christian.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

Not saying Christianity is always better, but just taking baptist methodist and such, that women are on equal ground as men.

Obviously not all Christians treat women as property, but some do. Same as Islam. Some parts of the Islamic world treat women as second class citizens, while the vast majority doesn't. You have problems when Christianity is painted by the same broad brush based on the actions of a few, and then you turn around and do the exact same thing and say all Muslims treat women as second class citizens. Kinda hypocritical don't ya think?

Not in the least, in Christianity(not catholic) it is very rare for people to regulate women to 2nd class, and when it happens most christians will criticize that group of people. Whereas in islam you have whole countries that treat women as 2nd class and it's not a sect its the "base" of the religion. And there is no outcry from muslims saying hey saudi arabia iran iraq afgan your WRONG to treat women like that.

Ah, but is that because of Christianity's teachings or our modern quasi-egalitarian society? How many hard-core Catholics stood up for women's rights before the suffragette movement? How many stood up until after it was mainstream for everyone in the western world to do so?

Equality is a slow, painful process. We're just starting to see that spread. It's going to take time.

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

This is just replying to everyone who just quoted me.

If you are born into a religion, the physical and spiritual truth of that religion is drilled into your head from an early age, and at such an impressionable time, you believe it, and so you go on believing it.

So you define "true belief" as whatever you've been indoctrined to believe in (whatever's been "drilled into your head") through family pressures - not what you've come to believe in as an independent, rational adult?

Yikes.

Actually yes that is exactly what I mean, as in true religious belief is ridiculous, because it's not a decision you made for yourself.
I would have no respect for a rational adult who came to that conclusion, or at least i wouldn't call them a rational adult.

 

[Eyeheartpie]

Not Islamophobia, my opinion. Which the OP asked for.
I hate all religions equally.

Why hate? Just ridicule. It's FAR more entertaining watching them dance.

True that ^_^

I'm not a fan of religion either but let's at least treat them fairly. Afterall, it's so easy to misrepresent and oversimplify something you only have casual knowledge about.

+1

 

[Madkipz]

If you so desire to have hobbies that alienate your friends then by all means go ahead. I assure you that you will gain new friends that support whatever faith / beliefs you have.


Lets see. Im a resonable person but not too clever at rebuttals so ill let people i look up to speak for me. Most of it is directed at Christianity but its all related to the same thing. Do abit of how. and the why will go out of the window taking its invisible ghosts with it.

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkRYaMiP4K8

2.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH40zaUxTTE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwooM4yhiiY

3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ope-1Zb5t-k&feature=related

 

[Kajt]

Do it if you want to.
It's that simple, you don't have to consult a forum full of random people from around the world.

 

[BaldursBananaSoap]

1. Because it's all bullshit, allah doesn't exist

2. Islam is one of the most intolerant religions in the world

3. Islam makes woman seen "inferior"

4. Many Muslims in western countries take their dogs to be killed during Ramadan

5. Abdul Rahman was condemned to death by an Afghani court for converting to Christianity.

6. Riot over cartoons

7. Islam has no respect for freedom of speech

8. It lies about the virgin thing?
And even if it doesn?t, what the fuck are you going to do with 72 virgins anyways? I would rather have 72 whores who know how to ride the cock. Besides, you would be dead by that time, so it wouldn?t matter anyways.