Poll: Will we ever see turn-based WRPG's again?

[crimson5pheonix]

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There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

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There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

b : a common or overused theme or device : cliché

...that's pretty much exactly the way it's commonly used. I'm sorry, but your 'this definition better fits my opinion so it must be right' has no ground.

Especially considering that the Wikipedia article you mentioned specifically lists casual gamers as a subset of gamers.

Two problems.
1: Tropes are not cliches (and it is used as a non-cliche way most of time, as it's almost always in reference to TvTropes, which states that they aren't cliches). [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage]
2: Stop splitting hairs. We both know that when ever gamer is used on here it means Hardcore Gamer unless otherwise stated.

1: ...and you accuse me of splitting hairs? No, a trope is not exactly the same as a cliché. However, they are strongly related in definition. The definition part "a common or overused theme or device" is dead-on.
2: No. If you mean hardcore gamer, say hardcore gamer. Otherwise, stop being an elitist snob trying to exclude casual gamers from your little clique.

Either way, this has gotten way off-topic. If you want to discuss whether or not casual gamers are 'real' gamers, go make a new thread about it. This topic is about turn-based RPGs, not about the juvenile casual vs hardcore dilemma.

1: However, it's still not a cliche, making the definition wrong. It's like saying 123,456,789 + 123,456,789 = 246,913,577 instead of 246,913,578. You're just off by 1 number, but you're still wrong.
2: No, as Gamer = Hardcore gamer to most people. We shouldn't have to change because of you, you should change because of us, because there are more us than you.

But again, we get to the fact that there are more casual gamers than hardcore gamers. By your logic, we should conform to their standards.

 

[Abedeus]

The only turn-based things I like are Heroes and games like Shin Megami Tensei. Anything else should be in real-time.

Also, I hate the idea of character equipment/skills being more important than player's skill.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

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There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

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There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

What are you talking about?

b : a common or overused theme or device

From your very source. And a literal definition is best used. "Gay" is used as a derogatory insult all across the internet. So, are all people on the internet gay? I highly doubt it, but gay has become a colloquialism shorthand for an insult.

No, they aren't. However, the best definition to describe the way gay is used online is "A general insult meaning the same as idiot, moron or stupid." Is that in this? NO! [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gay]

Which is my point. To people who aren't on the internet, the word gay doesn't have that meaning. So you can't use that in communication in the same way. It's a slang term to this group. But it's definition remains static.

In the same way, "gamer" is a slang term in this small group, but it's definition remains static as "someone who plays games". Literal>colloquialisms

No, that's just the way the internet and most teenagers use gay. The internet + most teenagers > everyone else (that is to say, is larger than). Plus, you're still calling the entire internet a small group. Do you know the definition of small? Because the internet isn't it.

Yes. Relative to the entire world, online teenagers is a small group.

I didn't say online teenagers, I said teenagers and people online. There's a huge ass difference there.

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There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

b : a common or overused theme or device : cliché

...that's pretty much exactly the way it's commonly used. I'm sorry, but your 'this definition better fits my opinion so it must be right' has no ground.

Especially considering that the Wikipedia article you mentioned specifically lists casual gamers as a subset of gamers.

Two problems.
1: Tropes are not cliches (and it is used as a non-cliche way most of time, as it's almost always in reference to TvTropes, which states that they aren't cliches). [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage]
2: Stop splitting hairs. We both know that when ever gamer is used on here it means Hardcore Gamer unless otherwise stated.

But you're pulling from a small sample group. The definition of gamer is someone who plays games. But in this small group, gamer is shorthand for hardcore gamer. Trope means cliché, except in the small group on TvTropes.

Did you read the part I quoted? It is GENERALLY used the way we use it. It's used like that everywhere. Plus, TvTropes is the only place you'll find trope used most of the time, and it isn't a "small group".

It's generally used in a relatively small group. I see the word trope used plenty outside TvTropes. It is a small group when you compare against even the population of first world countries, let alone the world.

When have you heard it used out of TvTropes? I didn't even know it was a real word when I found TvTropes.

English class. I've used it in English papers. I read it in magazines. I see it on other internet websites apart from TvTropes.

"Not knowing the law is not an excuse to break it."
It doesn't quite fit, but it's close enough.

Never heard it in class, never used it in papers, never saw it in magazines, and never have seen it on websites unless referring to TvTropes.

But the group of people online who are not teenagers but still use the the word "gay" as an insult is extremely small.

And again, just because you didn't know, doesn't make it not true.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

b : a common or overused theme or device : cliché

...that's pretty much exactly the way it's commonly used. I'm sorry, but your 'this definition better fits my opinion so it must be right' has no ground.

Especially considering that the Wikipedia article you mentioned specifically lists casual gamers as a subset of gamers.

Two problems.
1: Tropes are not cliches (and it is used as a non-cliche way most of time, as it's almost always in reference to TvTropes, which states that they aren't cliches). [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage]
2: Stop splitting hairs. We both know that when ever gamer is used on here it means Hardcore Gamer unless otherwise stated.

1: ...and you accuse me of splitting hairs? No, a trope is not exactly the same as a cliché. However, they are strongly related in definition. The definition part "a common or overused theme or device" is dead-on.
2: No. If you mean hardcore gamer, say hardcore gamer. Otherwise, stop being an elitist snob trying to exclude casual gamers from your little clique.

Either way, this has gotten way off-topic. If you want to discuss whether or not casual gamers are 'real' gamers, go make a new thread about it. This topic is about turn-based RPGs, not about the juvenile casual vs hardcore dilemma.

1: However, it's still not a cliche, making the definition wrong. It's like saying 123,456,789 + 123,456,789 = 246,913,577 instead of 246,913,578. You're just off by 1 number, but you're still wrong.
2: No, as Gamer = Hardcore gamer to most people. We shouldn't have to change because of you, you should change because of us, because there are more us than you.

But again, we get to the fact that there are more casual gamers than hardcore gamers. By your logic, we should conform to their standards.

We do not know that there are more casual gamers than hardcore gamers. Even Wii sales can't help decide that, as plenty of Hardcore Gamers bought it expecting Nintendo to still care about them.

Every number points to that direction. U.S. and worldwide. We even have to include table top gamers into the definition of gamer, which shrinks "hardcore video game player" to an even smaller percentage.

 

[Iron Lightning]

I think turn-based combat works best in strategy games. Considering that RPG fights are usually just very small-scale strategy games, I believe the turn-based combat works wonderfully there as well. Not that I'm that biased, real time combat has its place too, as long as it doesn't make the stat-bits pointless.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

What are you talking about?

b : a common or overused theme or device

From your very source. And a literal definition is best used. "Gay" is used as a derogatory insult all across the internet. So, are all people on the internet gay? I highly doubt it, but gay has become a colloquialism shorthand for an insult.

No, they aren't. However, the best definition to describe the way gay is used online is "A general insult meaning the same as idiot, moron or stupid." Is that in this? NO! [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gay]

Which is my point. To people who aren't on the internet, the word gay doesn't have that meaning. So you can't use that in communication in the same way. It's a slang term to this group. But it's definition remains static.

In the same way, "gamer" is a slang term in this small group, but it's definition remains static as "someone who plays games". Literal>colloquialisms

No, that's just the way the internet and most teenagers use gay. The internet + most teenagers > everyone else (that is to say, is larger than). Plus, you're still calling the entire internet a small group. Do you know the definition of small? Because the internet isn't it.

Yes. Relative to the entire world, online teenagers is a small group.

I didn't say online teenagers, I said teenagers and people online. There's a huge ass difference there.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

b : a common or overused theme or device : cliché

...that's pretty much exactly the way it's commonly used. I'm sorry, but your 'this definition better fits my opinion so it must be right' has no ground.

Especially considering that the Wikipedia article you mentioned specifically lists casual gamers as a subset of gamers.

Two problems.
1: Tropes are not cliches (and it is used as a non-cliche way most of time, as it's almost always in reference to TvTropes, which states that they aren't cliches). [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage]
2: Stop splitting hairs. We both know that when ever gamer is used on here it means Hardcore Gamer unless otherwise stated.

But you're pulling from a small sample group. The definition of gamer is someone who plays games. But in this small group, gamer is shorthand for hardcore gamer. Trope means cliché, except in the small group on TvTropes.

Did you read the part I quoted? It is GENERALLY used the way we use it. It's used like that everywhere. Plus, TvTropes is the only place you'll find trope used most of the time, and it isn't a "small group".

It's generally used in a relatively small group. I see the word trope used plenty outside TvTropes. It is a small group when you compare against even the population of first world countries, let alone the world.

When have you heard it used out of TvTropes? I didn't even know it was a real word when I found TvTropes.

English class. I've used it in English papers. I read it in magazines. I see it on other internet websites apart from TvTropes.

"Not knowing the law is not an excuse to break it."
It doesn't quite fit, but it's close enough.

Never heard it in class, never used it in papers, never saw it in magazines, and never have seen it on websites unless referring to TvTropes.

But the group of people online who are not teenagers but still use the the word "gay" as an insult is extremely small.

And again, just because you didn't know, doesn't make it not true.

How do you know that the amount of people who aren't teenagers using the word gay as in insult is a low number?

Because most online traffic is done by people downloading torrents, doing work, and playing farmville.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

b : a common or overused theme or device : cliché

...that's pretty much exactly the way it's commonly used. I'm sorry, but your 'this definition better fits my opinion so it must be right' has no ground.

Especially considering that the Wikipedia article you mentioned specifically lists casual gamers as a subset of gamers.

Two problems.
1: Tropes are not cliches (and it is used as a non-cliche way most of time, as it's almost always in reference to TvTropes, which states that they aren't cliches). [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage]
2: Stop splitting hairs. We both know that when ever gamer is used on here it means Hardcore Gamer unless otherwise stated.

1: ...and you accuse me of splitting hairs? No, a trope is not exactly the same as a cliché. However, they are strongly related in definition. The definition part "a common or overused theme or device" is dead-on.
2: No. If you mean hardcore gamer, say hardcore gamer. Otherwise, stop being an elitist snob trying to exclude casual gamers from your little clique.

Either way, this has gotten way off-topic. If you want to discuss whether or not casual gamers are 'real' gamers, go make a new thread about it. This topic is about turn-based RPGs, not about the juvenile casual vs hardcore dilemma.

1: However, it's still not a cliche, making the definition wrong. It's like saying 123,456,789 + 123,456,789 = 246,913,577 instead of 246,913,578. You're just off by 1 number, but you're still wrong.
2: No, as Gamer = Hardcore gamer to most people. We shouldn't have to change because of you, you should change because of us, because there are more us than you.

But again, we get to the fact that there are more casual gamers than hardcore gamers. By your logic, we should conform to their standards.

We do not know that there are more casual gamers than hardcore gamers. Even Wii sales can't help decide that, as plenty of Hardcore Gamers bought it expecting Nintendo to still care about them.

Every number points to that direction. U.S. and worldwide. We even have to include table top gamers into the definition of gamer, which shrinks "hardcore video game player" to an even smaller percentage.

Tabletop Gamers can also be hardcore video game gamers. It's not like you can only be one kind of gamer, this isn't religion or politics.

But some aren't. And for every one of them that isn't, it lowers the relative percentage of people who can be classed as "hardcore video game player" under the gamer umbrella.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

What are you talking about?

b : a common or overused theme or device

From your very source. And a literal definition is best used. "Gay" is used as a derogatory insult all across the internet. So, are all people on the internet gay? I highly doubt it, but gay has become a colloquialism shorthand for an insult.

No, they aren't. However, the best definition to describe the way gay is used online is "A general insult meaning the same as idiot, moron or stupid." Is that in this? NO! [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gay]

Which is my point. To people who aren't on the internet, the word gay doesn't have that meaning. So you can't use that in communication in the same way. It's a slang term to this group. But it's definition remains static.

In the same way, "gamer" is a slang term in this small group, but it's definition remains static as "someone who plays games". Literal>colloquialisms

No, that's just the way the internet and most teenagers use gay. The internet + most teenagers > everyone else (that is to say, is larger than). Plus, you're still calling the entire internet a small group. Do you know the definition of small? Because the internet isn't it.

Yes. Relative to the entire world, online teenagers is a small group.

I didn't say online teenagers, I said teenagers and people online. There's a huge ass difference there.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

b : a common or overused theme or device : cliché

...that's pretty much exactly the way it's commonly used. I'm sorry, but your 'this definition better fits my opinion so it must be right' has no ground.

Especially considering that the Wikipedia article you mentioned specifically lists casual gamers as a subset of gamers.

Two problems.
1: Tropes are not cliches (and it is used as a non-cliche way most of time, as it's almost always in reference to TvTropes, which states that they aren't cliches). [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage]
2: Stop splitting hairs. We both know that when ever gamer is used on here it means Hardcore Gamer unless otherwise stated.

But you're pulling from a small sample group. The definition of gamer is someone who plays games. But in this small group, gamer is shorthand for hardcore gamer. Trope means cliché, except in the small group on TvTropes.

Did you read the part I quoted? It is GENERALLY used the way we use it. It's used like that everywhere. Plus, TvTropes is the only place you'll find trope used most of the time, and it isn't a "small group".

It's generally used in a relatively small group. I see the word trope used plenty outside TvTropes. It is a small group when you compare against even the population of first world countries, let alone the world.

When have you heard it used out of TvTropes? I didn't even know it was a real word when I found TvTropes.

English class. I've used it in English papers. I read it in magazines. I see it on other internet websites apart from TvTropes.

"Not knowing the law is not an excuse to break it."
It doesn't quite fit, but it's close enough.

Never heard it in class, never used it in papers, never saw it in magazines, and never have seen it on websites unless referring to TvTropes.

But the group of people online who are not teenagers but still use the the word "gay" as an insult is extremely small.

And again, just because you didn't know, doesn't make it not true.

How do you know that the amount of people who aren't teenagers using the word gay as in insult is a low number?

Because most online traffic is done by people downloading torrents, doing work, and playing farmville.

Got proof? Something tells me "Watching Porn" outnumbers all of those.

Actually, that topic was addressed earlier on the Escapist, only something like %30 of the Internet is porn.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

b : a common or overused theme or device : cliché

...that's pretty much exactly the way it's commonly used. I'm sorry, but your 'this definition better fits my opinion so it must be right' has no ground.

Especially considering that the Wikipedia article you mentioned specifically lists casual gamers as a subset of gamers.

Two problems.
1: Tropes are not cliches (and it is used as a non-cliche way most of time, as it's almost always in reference to TvTropes, which states that they aren't cliches). [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage]
2: Stop splitting hairs. We both know that when ever gamer is used on here it means Hardcore Gamer unless otherwise stated.

1: ...and you accuse me of splitting hairs? No, a trope is not exactly the same as a cliché. However, they are strongly related in definition. The definition part "a common or overused theme or device" is dead-on.
2: No. If you mean hardcore gamer, say hardcore gamer. Otherwise, stop being an elitist snob trying to exclude casual gamers from your little clique.

Either way, this has gotten way off-topic. If you want to discuss whether or not casual gamers are 'real' gamers, go make a new thread about it. This topic is about turn-based RPGs, not about the juvenile casual vs hardcore dilemma.

1: However, it's still not a cliche, making the definition wrong. It's like saying 123,456,789 + 123,456,789 = 246,913,577 instead of 246,913,578. You're just off by 1 number, but you're still wrong.
2: No, as Gamer = Hardcore gamer to most people. We shouldn't have to change because of you, you should change because of us, because there are more us than you.

But again, we get to the fact that there are more casual gamers than hardcore gamers. By your logic, we should conform to their standards.

We do not know that there are more casual gamers than hardcore gamers. Even Wii sales can't help decide that, as plenty of Hardcore Gamers bought it expecting Nintendo to still care about them.

Every number points to that direction. U.S. and worldwide. We even have to include table top gamers into the definition of gamer, which shrinks "hardcore video game player" to an even smaller percentage.

Tabletop Gamers can also be hardcore video game gamers. It's not like you can only be one kind of gamer, this isn't religion or politics.

But some aren't. And for every one of them that isn't, it lowers the relative percentage of people who can be classed as "hardcore video game player" under the gamer umbrella.

Still, hardcore gamers dominate the market. Want proof? Look at 99% of the market. Notice what most of them are? M Rated Shooters, RPGs and Third Person Games. Notice how much their sales outnumber puzzle games?

I can, once again, point to farmville, mafia wars, most Wii games, and tetris and prove you wrong.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

What are you talking about?

b : a common or overused theme or device

From your very source. And a literal definition is best used. "Gay" is used as a derogatory insult all across the internet. So, are all people on the internet gay? I highly doubt it, but gay has become a colloquialism shorthand for an insult.

No, they aren't. However, the best definition to describe the way gay is used online is "A general insult meaning the same as idiot, moron or stupid." Is that in this? NO! [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gay]

Which is my point. To people who aren't on the internet, the word gay doesn't have that meaning. So you can't use that in communication in the same way. It's a slang term to this group. But it's definition remains static.

In the same way, "gamer" is a slang term in this small group, but it's definition remains static as "someone who plays games". Literal>colloquialisms

No, that's just the way the internet and most teenagers use gay. The internet + most teenagers > everyone else (that is to say, is larger than). Plus, you're still calling the entire internet a small group. Do you know the definition of small? Because the internet isn't it.

Yes. Relative to the entire world, online teenagers is a small group.

I didn't say online teenagers, I said teenagers and people online. There's a huge ass difference there.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

b : a common or overused theme or device : cliché

...that's pretty much exactly the way it's commonly used. I'm sorry, but your 'this definition better fits my opinion so it must be right' has no ground.

Especially considering that the Wikipedia article you mentioned specifically lists casual gamers as a subset of gamers.

Two problems.
1: Tropes are not cliches (and it is used as a non-cliche way most of time, as it's almost always in reference to TvTropes, which states that they aren't cliches). [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage]
2: Stop splitting hairs. We both know that when ever gamer is used on here it means Hardcore Gamer unless otherwise stated.

But you're pulling from a small sample group. The definition of gamer is someone who plays games. But in this small group, gamer is shorthand for hardcore gamer. Trope means cliché, except in the small group on TvTropes.

Did you read the part I quoted? It is GENERALLY used the way we use it. It's used like that everywhere. Plus, TvTropes is the only place you'll find trope used most of the time, and it isn't a "small group".

It's generally used in a relatively small group. I see the word trope used plenty outside TvTropes. It is a small group when you compare against even the population of first world countries, let alone the world.

When have you heard it used out of TvTropes? I didn't even know it was a real word when I found TvTropes.

English class. I've used it in English papers. I read it in magazines. I see it on other internet websites apart from TvTropes.

"Not knowing the law is not an excuse to break it."
It doesn't quite fit, but it's close enough.

Never heard it in class, never used it in papers, never saw it in magazines, and never have seen it on websites unless referring to TvTropes.

But the group of people online who are not teenagers but still use the the word "gay" as an insult is extremely small.

And again, just because you didn't know, doesn't make it not true.

How do you know that the amount of people who aren't teenagers using the word gay as in insult is a low number?

Because most online traffic is done by people downloading torrents, doing work, and playing farmville.

Got proof? Something tells me "Watching Porn" outnumbers all of those.

Actually, that topic was addressed earlier on the Escapist, only something like %30 of the Internet is porn.

That doesn't mean that there isn't alot of people watching it.

I believe that also falls under "work" and "torrents"...
...
And "farmville"

 

[crimson5pheonix]

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

b : a common or overused theme or device : cliché

...that's pretty much exactly the way it's commonly used. I'm sorry, but your 'this definition better fits my opinion so it must be right' has no ground.

Especially considering that the Wikipedia article you mentioned specifically lists casual gamers as a subset of gamers.

Two problems.
1: Tropes are not cliches (and it is used as a non-cliche way most of time, as it's almost always in reference to TvTropes, which states that they aren't cliches). [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage]
2: Stop splitting hairs. We both know that when ever gamer is used on here it means Hardcore Gamer unless otherwise stated.

1: ...and you accuse me of splitting hairs? No, a trope is not exactly the same as a cliché. However, they are strongly related in definition. The definition part "a common or overused theme or device" is dead-on.
2: No. If you mean hardcore gamer, say hardcore gamer. Otherwise, stop being an elitist snob trying to exclude casual gamers from your little clique.

Either way, this has gotten way off-topic. If you want to discuss whether or not casual gamers are 'real' gamers, go make a new thread about it. This topic is about turn-based RPGs, not about the juvenile casual vs hardcore dilemma.

1: However, it's still not a cliche, making the definition wrong. It's like saying 123,456,789 + 123,456,789 = 246,913,577 instead of 246,913,578. You're just off by 1 number, but you're still wrong.
2: No, as Gamer = Hardcore gamer to most people. We shouldn't have to change because of you, you should change because of us, because there are more us than you.

But again, we get to the fact that there are more casual gamers than hardcore gamers. By your logic, we should conform to their standards.

We do not know that there are more casual gamers than hardcore gamers. Even Wii sales can't help decide that, as plenty of Hardcore Gamers bought it expecting Nintendo to still care about them.

Every number points to that direction. U.S. and worldwide. We even have to include table top gamers into the definition of gamer, which shrinks "hardcore video game player" to an even smaller percentage.

Tabletop Gamers can also be hardcore video game gamers. It's not like you can only be one kind of gamer, this isn't religion or politics.

But some aren't. And for every one of them that isn't, it lowers the relative percentage of people who can be classed as "hardcore video game player" under the gamer umbrella.

Still, hardcore gamers dominate the market. Want proof? Look at 99% of the market. Notice what most of them are? M Rated Shooters, RPGs and Third Person Games. Notice how much their sales outnumber puzzle games?

I can, once again, point to farmville, mafia wars, most Wii games, and tetris and prove you wrong.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

What are you talking about?

b : a common or overused theme or device

From your very source. And a literal definition is best used. "Gay" is used as a derogatory insult all across the internet. So, are all people on the internet gay? I highly doubt it, but gay has become a colloquialism shorthand for an insult.

No, they aren't. However, the best definition to describe the way gay is used online is "A general insult meaning the same as idiot, moron or stupid." Is that in this? NO! [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gay]

Which is my point. To people who aren't on the internet, the word gay doesn't have that meaning. So you can't use that in communication in the same way. It's a slang term to this group. But it's definition remains static.

In the same way, "gamer" is a slang term in this small group, but it's definition remains static as "someone who plays games". Literal>colloquialisms

No, that's just the way the internet and most teenagers use gay. The internet + most teenagers > everyone else (that is to say, is larger than). Plus, you're still calling the entire internet a small group. Do you know the definition of small? Because the internet isn't it.

Yes. Relative to the entire world, online teenagers is a small group.

I didn't say online teenagers, I said teenagers and people online. There's a huge ass difference there.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

b : a common or overused theme or device : cliché

...that's pretty much exactly the way it's commonly used. I'm sorry, but your 'this definition better fits my opinion so it must be right' has no ground.

Especially considering that the Wikipedia article you mentioned specifically lists casual gamers as a subset of gamers.

Two problems.
1: Tropes are not cliches (and it is used as a non-cliche way most of time, as it's almost always in reference to TvTropes, which states that they aren't cliches). [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage]
2: Stop splitting hairs. We both know that when ever gamer is used on here it means Hardcore Gamer unless otherwise stated.

But you're pulling from a small sample group. The definition of gamer is someone who plays games. But in this small group, gamer is shorthand for hardcore gamer. Trope means cliché, except in the small group on TvTropes.

Did you read the part I quoted? It is GENERALLY used the way we use it. It's used like that everywhere. Plus, TvTropes is the only place you'll find trope used most of the time, and it isn't a "small group".

It's generally used in a relatively small group. I see the word trope used plenty outside TvTropes. It is a small group when you compare against even the population of first world countries, let alone the world.

When have you heard it used out of TvTropes? I didn't even know it was a real word when I found TvTropes.

English class. I've used it in English papers. I read it in magazines. I see it on other internet websites apart from TvTropes.

"Not knowing the law is not an excuse to break it."
It doesn't quite fit, but it's close enough.

Never heard it in class, never used it in papers, never saw it in magazines, and never have seen it on websites unless referring to TvTropes.

But the group of people online who are not teenagers but still use the the word "gay" as an insult is extremely small.

And again, just because you didn't know, doesn't make it not true.

How do you know that the amount of people who aren't teenagers using the word gay as in insult is a low number?

Because most online traffic is done by people downloading torrents, doing work, and playing farmville.

Got proof? Something tells me "Watching Porn" outnumbers all of those.

Actually, that topic was addressed earlier on the Escapist, only something like %30 of the Internet is porn.

That doesn't mean that there isn't alot of people watching it.

I believe that also falls under "work" and "torrents"...
...
And "farmville"

Farmville does the same thing as WoW and WM. You ever play it? You're counted as one of the people playing it. Most Wii games sell badly. Did you REALLY just call Tetris easy?

Who said easy? Tetris is just a casual puzzle game though. On the same level as bejeweled.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

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There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

b : a common or overused theme or device : cliché

...that's pretty much exactly the way it's commonly used. I'm sorry, but your 'this definition better fits my opinion so it must be right' has no ground.

Especially considering that the Wikipedia article you mentioned specifically lists casual gamers as a subset of gamers.

Two problems.
1: Tropes are not cliches (and it is used as a non-cliche way most of time, as it's almost always in reference to TvTropes, which states that they aren't cliches). [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage]
2: Stop splitting hairs. We both know that when ever gamer is used on here it means Hardcore Gamer unless otherwise stated.

1: ...and you accuse me of splitting hairs? No, a trope is not exactly the same as a cliché. However, they are strongly related in definition. The definition part "a common or overused theme or device" is dead-on.
2: No. If you mean hardcore gamer, say hardcore gamer. Otherwise, stop being an elitist snob trying to exclude casual gamers from your little clique.

Either way, this has gotten way off-topic. If you want to discuss whether or not casual gamers are 'real' gamers, go make a new thread about it. This topic is about turn-based RPGs, not about the juvenile casual vs hardcore dilemma.

1: However, it's still not a cliche, making the definition wrong. It's like saying 123,456,789 + 123,456,789 = 246,913,577 instead of 246,913,578. You're just off by 1 number, but you're still wrong.
2: No, as Gamer = Hardcore gamer to most people. We shouldn't have to change because of you, you should change because of us, because there are more us than you.

But again, we get to the fact that there are more casual gamers than hardcore gamers. By your logic, we should conform to their standards.

We do not know that there are more casual gamers than hardcore gamers. Even Wii sales can't help decide that, as plenty of Hardcore Gamers bought it expecting Nintendo to still care about them.

Every number points to that direction. U.S. and worldwide. We even have to include table top gamers into the definition of gamer, which shrinks "hardcore video game player" to an even smaller percentage.

Tabletop Gamers can also be hardcore video game gamers. It's not like you can only be one kind of gamer, this isn't religion or politics.

But some aren't. And for every one of them that isn't, it lowers the relative percentage of people who can be classed as "hardcore video game player" under the gamer umbrella.

Still, hardcore gamers dominate the market. Want proof? Look at 99% of the market. Notice what most of them are? M Rated Shooters, RPGs and Third Person Games. Notice how much their sales outnumber puzzle games?

I can, once again, point to farmville, mafia wars, most Wii games, and tetris and prove you wrong.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

What are you talking about?

b : a common or overused theme or device

From your very source. And a literal definition is best used. "Gay" is used as a derogatory insult all across the internet. So, are all people on the internet gay? I highly doubt it, but gay has become a colloquialism shorthand for an insult.

No, they aren't. However, the best definition to describe the way gay is used online is "A general insult meaning the same as idiot, moron or stupid." Is that in this? NO! [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gay]

Which is my point. To people who aren't on the internet, the word gay doesn't have that meaning. So you can't use that in communication in the same way. It's a slang term to this group. But it's definition remains static.

In the same way, "gamer" is a slang term in this small group, but it's definition remains static as "someone who plays games". Literal>colloquialisms

No, that's just the way the internet and most teenagers use gay. The internet + most teenagers > everyone else (that is to say, is larger than). Plus, you're still calling the entire internet a small group. Do you know the definition of small? Because the internet isn't it.

Yes. Relative to the entire world, online teenagers is a small group.

I didn't say online teenagers, I said teenagers and people online. There's a huge ass difference there.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

b : a common or overused theme or device : cliché

...that's pretty much exactly the way it's commonly used. I'm sorry, but your 'this definition better fits my opinion so it must be right' has no ground.

Especially considering that the Wikipedia article you mentioned specifically lists casual gamers as a subset of gamers.

Two problems.
1: Tropes are not cliches (and it is used as a non-cliche way most of time, as it's almost always in reference to TvTropes, which states that they aren't cliches). [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage]
2: Stop splitting hairs. We both know that when ever gamer is used on here it means Hardcore Gamer unless otherwise stated.

But you're pulling from a small sample group. The definition of gamer is someone who plays games. But in this small group, gamer is shorthand for hardcore gamer. Trope means cliché, except in the small group on TvTropes.

Did you read the part I quoted? It is GENERALLY used the way we use it. It's used like that everywhere. Plus, TvTropes is the only place you'll find trope used most of the time, and it isn't a "small group".

It's generally used in a relatively small group. I see the word trope used plenty outside TvTropes. It is a small group when you compare against even the population of first world countries, let alone the world.

When have you heard it used out of TvTropes? I didn't even know it was a real word when I found TvTropes.

English class. I've used it in English papers. I read it in magazines. I see it on other internet websites apart from TvTropes.

"Not knowing the law is not an excuse to break it."
It doesn't quite fit, but it's close enough.

Never heard it in class, never used it in papers, never saw it in magazines, and never have seen it on websites unless referring to TvTropes.

But the group of people online who are not teenagers but still use the the word "gay" as an insult is extremely small.

And again, just because you didn't know, doesn't make it not true.

How do you know that the amount of people who aren't teenagers using the word gay as in insult is a low number?

Because most online traffic is done by people downloading torrents, doing work, and playing farmville.

Got proof? Something tells me "Watching Porn" outnumbers all of those.

Actually, that topic was addressed earlier on the Escapist, only something like %30 of the Internet is porn.

That doesn't mean that there isn't alot of people watching it.

I believe that also falls under "work" and "torrents"...
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And "farmville"

Farmville does the same thing as WoW and WM. You ever play it? You're counted as one of the people playing it. Most Wii games sell badly. Did you REALLY just call Tetris easy?

Who said easy? Tetris is just a casual puzzle game though. On the same level as bejeweled.

Casual games are easy, by definition. Tetris is not easy.

There is nothing in the definition that says easy. Even though Tetris is easy at first. It only has to be simple. And Tetris is very simple. In fact, Tetris may be the progenitor of "casual games". It fits every definition of casual games, even it's target audience.