Poll: Will we ever see turn-based WRPG's again?

[NoblePhilistineFox]

With any luck, it is long, long gone. It is not skill based. Every single turn-based game I've played boils down to whther you're a high enough level and whether or not you're carrying enough healing items.

...
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...or, if your not a complete douche and want a challenge then dont exp grind and play the game like you are supposed to, thereby giving you less money for items and brining boss fights to more of a "pick your moves wisely" type thing.

 

[NoblePhilistineFox]

I think that we should see more TBC RPG in downloadable games(kinda like FF4:the after years)
for a maximum of 25$ or so depending on the game.
I dont think I would be willing to pay 80$ on a game where they would try to make the graphpics the best they could and end up ruining the game(thats one of the reasons I hate ff9)

 

[Hurr Durr Derp]

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

b : a common or overused theme or device : cliché

...that's pretty much exactly the way it's commonly used. I'm sorry, but your 'this definition better fits my opinion so it must be right' has no ground.

Especially considering that the Wikipedia article you mentioned specifically lists casual gamers as a subset of gamers.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

What are you talking about?

b : a common or overused theme or device

From your very source. And a literal definition is best used. "Gay" is used as a derogatory insult all across the internet. So, are all people on the internet gay? I highly doubt it, but gay has become a colloquialism shorthand for an insult.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

b : a common or overused theme or device : cliché

...that's pretty much exactly the way it's commonly used. I'm sorry, but your 'this definition better fits my opinion so it must be right' has no ground.

Especially considering that the Wikipedia article you mentioned specifically lists casual gamers as a subset of gamers.

Two problems.
1: Tropes are not cliches (and it is used as a non-cliche way most of time, as it's almost always in reference to TvTropes, which states that they aren't cliches). [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage]
2: Stop splitting hairs. We both know that when ever gamer is used on here it means Hardcore Gamer unless otherwise stated.

But you're pulling from a small sample group. The definition of gamer is someone who plays games. But in this small group, gamer is shorthand for hardcore gamer. Trope means cliché, except in the small group on TvTropes.

 

[tijuanatim]

With any luck, it is long, long gone. It is not skill based. Every single turn-based game I've played boils down to whther you're a high enough level and whether or not you're carrying enough healing items.

You're a ninja.

OT: You put this much better than I could. Well played.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

What are you talking about?

b : a common or overused theme or device

From your very source. And a literal definition is best used. "Gay" is used as a derogatory insult all across the internet. So, are all people on the internet gay? I highly doubt it, but gay has become a colloquialism shorthand for an insult.

No, they aren't. However, the best definition to describe the way gay is used online is "A general insult meaning the same as idiot, moron or stupid." Is that in this? NO! [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gay]

Which is my point. To people who aren't on the internet, the word gay doesn't have that meaning. So you can't use that in communication in the same way. It's a slang term to this group. But it's definition remains static.

In the same way, "gamer" is a slang term in this small group, but it's definition remains static as "someone who plays games". Literal>colloquialisms

 

[Hurr Durr Derp]

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

b : a common or overused theme or device : cliché

...that's pretty much exactly the way it's commonly used. I'm sorry, but your 'this definition better fits my opinion so it must be right' has no ground.

Especially considering that the Wikipedia article you mentioned specifically lists casual gamers as a subset of gamers.

Two problems.
1: Tropes are not cliches (and it is used as a non-cliche way most of time, as it's almost always in reference to TvTropes, which states that they aren't cliches). [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage]
2: Stop splitting hairs. We both know that when ever gamer is used on here it means Hardcore Gamer unless otherwise stated.

1: ...and you accuse me of splitting hairs? No, a trope is not exactly the same as a cliché. However, they are strongly related in definition. The definition part "a common or overused theme or device" is dead-on.
2: No. If you mean hardcore gamer, say hardcore gamer. Otherwise, stop being an elitist snob trying to exclude casual gamers from your little clique.

Either way, this has gotten way off-topic. If you want to discuss whether or not casual gamers are 'real' gamers, go make a new thread about it. This topic is about turn-based RPGs, not about the juvenile casual vs hardcore dilemma.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

b : a common or overused theme or device : cliché

...that's pretty much exactly the way it's commonly used. I'm sorry, but your 'this definition better fits my opinion so it must be right' has no ground.

Especially considering that the Wikipedia article you mentioned specifically lists casual gamers as a subset of gamers.

Two problems.
1: Tropes are not cliches (and it is used as a non-cliche way most of time, as it's almost always in reference to TvTropes, which states that they aren't cliches). [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage]
2: Stop splitting hairs. We both know that when ever gamer is used on here it means Hardcore Gamer unless otherwise stated.

But you're pulling from a small sample group. The definition of gamer is someone who plays games. But in this small group, gamer is shorthand for hardcore gamer. Trope means cliché, except in the small group on TvTropes.

Did you read the part I quoted? It is GENERALLY used the way we use it. It's used like that everywhere. Plus, TvTropes is the only place you'll find trope used most of the time, and it isn't a "small group".

It's generally used in a relatively small group. I see the word trope used plenty outside TvTropes. It is a small group when you compare against even the population of first world countries, let alone the world.

 

[Lazarus Long]

Every once in a while I'll whip out an old turn-based game, but I wouldn't pay $60 for one.

I, on the other hand, would sacrifice my mother to Nyarlathotep for a new (proper) Shining Force or a real X-Com remake.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

What are you talking about?

b : a common or overused theme or device

From your very source. And a literal definition is best used. "Gay" is used as a derogatory insult all across the internet. So, are all people on the internet gay? I highly doubt it, but gay has become a colloquialism shorthand for an insult.

No, they aren't. However, the best definition to describe the way gay is used online is "A general insult meaning the same as idiot, moron or stupid." Is that in this? NO! [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gay]

Which is my point. To people who aren't on the internet, the word gay doesn't have that meaning. So you can't use that in communication in the same way. It's a slang term to this group. But it's definition remains static.

In the same way, "gamer" is a slang term in this small group, but it's definition remains static as "someone who plays games". Literal>colloquialisms

No, that's just the way the internet and most teenagers use gay. The internet + most teenagers > everyone else (that is to say, is larger than). Plus, you're still calling the entire internet a small group. Do you know the definition of small? Because the internet isn't it.

Yes. Relative to the entire world, online teenagers is a small group.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

snip

There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

If you've actually had to refer to Wikipedia to back up your case, I think you've conceded defeat. Anyone can write a Wikipedia article. If you want a proper definition of a word, try a dictionary.

Ahh, so you're also one of those idiots who thinks Wikipedia isn't a reliable source? Well, there's just no way to beat you're kind, as any proof presented to you is shot down no matter how reliable it is.

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There seems to be something wrong with your statement.
It may be that you said people who play games aren't gamers.

Is someone who drinks wine and says if they like it a wine critic? No, he's someone drinking wine. Is someone who watches movies and says if they like it a movie critic? No, he's someone watching a movie. Is someone who plays a video game and just plays a video game and doesn't play alot and doesn't post or argue or discuss them a gamer? NO, HE'S SOMEONE PLAYING A VIDEO GAME!

No. The correct arguent is:

Person who drinks wine wine critic. Person who drinks wine = wine-drinker.
Person who watches moves movie critic. Person who watches movies = moviegoer.
Person who plays game game critic. Person who plays games = gamer.

No, you're wrong. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamer]

While the term nominally includes those who do not necessarily consider themselves to be gamers (i.e., casual gamers), it is commonly used to identify those who spend much of their leisure time playing or learning about different games.

Can't let you do that, Fox.

Dictionaries give literal definitions, while Wikipedia actually takes the usage of it into account. Wikipedia > Dictionary.com

Then it becomes colloquialisms, which vary from person to person and place to place. It's the literary equivalent to opinions. Literal definition is more precise. Dictionary.com>Wikipedia

Literal definition leaves out the little things like how people use it. It doesn't matter what a dictionary writer thinks, it's about how we use it. Take the word Trope [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trope] for example. That's not anything like how it is actually used today. Nowadays, Tropes are storytelling devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. Yet that isn't listed. Sorry, but Wikipedia>Dictionary.com

b : a common or overused theme or device : cliché

...that's pretty much exactly the way it's commonly used. I'm sorry, but your 'this definition better fits my opinion so it must be right' has no ground.

Especially considering that the Wikipedia article you mentioned specifically lists casual gamers as a subset of gamers.

Two problems.
1: Tropes are not cliches (and it is used as a non-cliche way most of time, as it's almost always in reference to TvTropes, which states that they aren't cliches). [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage]
2: Stop splitting hairs. We both know that when ever gamer is used on here it means Hardcore Gamer unless otherwise stated.

But you're pulling from a small sample group. The definition of gamer is someone who plays games. But in this small group, gamer is shorthand for hardcore gamer. Trope means cliché, except in the small group on TvTropes.

Did you read the part I quoted? It is GENERALLY used the way we use it. It's used like that everywhere. Plus, TvTropes is the only place you'll find trope used most of the time, and it isn't a "small group".

It's generally used in a relatively small group. I see the word trope used plenty outside TvTropes. It is a small group when you compare against even the population of first world countries, let alone the world.

When have you heard it used out of TvTropes? I didn't even know it was a real word when I found TvTropes.

English class. I've used it in English papers. I read it in magazines. I see it on other internet websites apart from TvTropes.

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It doesn't quite fit, but it's close enough.

 

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It is gone because we have better technology and don't have to use such an antiquated system with such lack of skill involved. The fact that turn based combat is still used in JRPGs is why I only play western RPGs, and only modern ones at that. It has a good place in table-top RPGs, because the "skill" there is knowledge of game mechanics, imagination and selection of mates to play with. The skill in a video-game has to be a bit more advanced to be fun.