President Obama Awarded Nobel Peace Prize

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Doug

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stinkychops said:
Doug said:
stinkychops said:
If no-one fought, then Hitler wouldn't be a threat because he wouldn't have invaded or caused the death of anyone.
.........????

I have to say 'huh?' to this, and it makes zero sense. If no-one fight INCLUDING Hitler, then I can see is possiblity working. But even then, there'd probably be alot of dead or exspelt jews regardless.

The appeasement policy, whereby the western democracies continuously gave into Hitler only wetted his desire for conquest, and in the case of the USSR, they were defending themselves (the USSR that is) from extermination, given the Germans were wiping out whole villages, towns, and even cities in their wake.
In two senses.

Hitler rose to power due to the poverty and hatred caused by WW1.

If no-one fought or commited violence, Hitler isn't a threat because he can't do shit.
Hmmm, true. I wasn't actually expecting a valid explaination; have an Escapist cookie!

Anywho, I dunno, I don't think world peace is someone humans can achieve within the next century; especially not if the predicted resource shortages happen - if anything, resource wars could make this century as violent as the 20th century.
 

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Doug said:
stinkychops said:
If no-one fought, then Hitler wouldn't be a threat because he wouldn't have invaded or caused the death of anyone.
.........????

I have to say 'huh?' to this, and it makes zero sense. If no-one fight INCLUDING Hitler, then I can see is possiblity working. But even then, there'd probably be alot of dead or exspelt jews regardless.

The appeasement policy, whereby the western democracies continuously gave into Hitler only wetted his desire for conquest, and in the case of the USSR, they were defending themselves (the USSR that is) from extermination, given the Germans were wiping out whole villages, towns, and even cities in their wake.
Totally right, don't know how you can think not-fighting back Hitler was a clever idea.
 

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Doug said:
Did you read what I said?

I said if he had deserved it. I didn't say he does deserve it.

No, no, if he got that I would commit suicide if Bush is the only one who deserves a prize for making peace. Really, a guy with sharks for arms that eats babies and shits on children is a better candidate for it than Bush.
 

Dreey

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Here is the Nobel Peace Prize site. People should atleast look at the site. It takes two minutes [http://nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB/home/announce-2009/]. It seems to me that its not as much about giving the peace prize to Obama as it is to show what they believe is important when working for peace and equality for all of mankind.
 

Hikikomori Ookami

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Conspiracy? Have you read this story on CNN? Most of the people interviewed said they had no idea why he was awarded it and that he hasn't done anything that merited receiving the award. Is this the next level to Bush's no child left behind policy?
 

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It's nice to see the US right wingers blowing a huge gasket over this as usual. It's a sad and embarrassing display of partisan bile and vitriol.

It goes to a president they don't like, and it's the usual smears, rage and vindictiveness that characterises US politics. Let's face it, if it had gone to a neutral American, those same people would all be sitting here saying how it reflects on how great the USA is.
Possibly. I would, however, note that both sides engage in this. If Bush got a Nobel Peace Prize, the left would have the same cow. For the record, I think neither President is deserving of this particular honor. I would also state that the argument against Obama's award have been mostly pointing out his lack of required merit; I see very little "but he's a socialist" being said.

As to your uninformed opinion that such things characterize US politics, I can only assume you have never seen politics elsewhere. The British House of Commons is vile on a level that would scare an American. Australia publishes political cartoons that no US paper would ever consider (they're really funny, too.) South Korean politicians regularly get into fights on the legislative floor. Canadian politic remind me a little of Jerry Springer. My point is that such rage is pandemic. Man, across the board, is regularly tempted to anger over politic; I would say that is because politics is worth being angry about.
I think you misunderstand me slightly. I don't mean to say American politicians are badly behaved, more that the level of discourse on politics by some politicians, the media and amongst the public is ferocious and bitter in a way that is rare in other Western countries. The British Labour and Tory parties and their supporters, for instance, do not generally compare each other to Hitler, Stalin, or call each other traitors. They're certainly quite rowdy in parliament though.
 

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I have to believe this was just a brilliant plan to give Obama's administration some steam after being Obama started to fall in the popularity polls, of course he fell in the polls because he didn't do anything, so I suppose now everyone who underachieves can get a major award. Christ, at least Bush did stuff, he didn't do good stuff but he got shit done. (Yes I am a dem, and I really hate typing that bit of praise for Bush.)
 

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ITT: A lot of people that don't seem to know the Nobel prize isn't American and has nothing to do with his domestic policies...

Seriously though, if you want to know why they awarded Obama the prize, why not read the announcement? They state their reasons pretty clearly.
Unless this topic is actually about whether or not we think he deserves it.
 

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kotorfan04 said:
I have to believe this was just a brilliant plan to give Obama's administration some steam after being Obama started to fall in the popularity polls, of course he fell in the polls because he didn't do anything, so I suppose now everyone who underachieves can get a major award. Christ, at least Bush did stuff, he didn't do good stuff but he got shit done. (Yes I am a dem, and I really hate typing that bit of praise for Bush.)
READ
THE
NOBEL
PEACE
PRIZE
SITE

Europeans awarded it to Obama. It has nothing to do with his freaking poll numbers or anything.

Man, the conspiracy theorists are out in force today!!!
 

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Let's see: first black president, and we only got rid of segregation roughly over 40 years ago, is working to improve relations, and not just with people we like, he's working with countries like Iran on dismantling their nuclear programme and is also doing stuff for Middle East Peace. Frankly, I think it's a bit premature, but damn, he's doing some real work, so I say screw all the talk of "shady backroom deals" and "sneaky schemes" and just say that he's working towards some wonderful things.
 

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Uhh...you DO realize it's not America who gives out the Nobel Peace Prize, right? It's the Norwegian Nobel Committee, with the committee for the Peace Prize elected by the Norwegian Parliament.

And for everyone wondering why they chose him [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091009/ap_on_re_eu/eu_nobel_peace], to quote the committee:

"Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," the committee said. "His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population."

The committee said it attached special importance to Obama's vision of, and work for, a world without nuclear weapons.

"Obama has as president created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play," the committee said.



No. They've only just started awarding them for this year this week. Three American women won for Chemistry, and German woman won for Literature yesterday, and they just announced the Peace prize today.
So he won it, because he's a good motivational speaker???

OT: The economy's still shit.

Iran's crazier than ever.

There's no agreement between the left or the right (Both sides are the problem).

He won't send more troops to Afghanistan per generals request,

China's pretty pissed off at us at the moment.

America is no better now than it was nine months ago.

There is STILL a gigantic hole where the World Trade Centers once stood (fantastic memorial by the way /sarcasm)

And North Korea's still competing with hell in the worst place to live contest.

When did the Nobel Committee go completely nuts??? My mother deserves The Peace Prize for her tactics when dealing with Neo Nazis. Which consist of her calling them every type of ******, *****, and ****** there is (she calls them that because that's what's pisses them off the most not because she bigoted, and yes I'm being facetious. I know she doesn't deserve The Nobel Peace Prize).

Give him more time to prove himself worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize. Words are useless without action and most of the time he just speaks. Are they peaceful words? Yes, but he has not changed anything. He may change the world and bring peace, or he may make things worse. They should have waited until he made a true difference not just talked about it.

P.S. My mother is a wonderful person unless you're a racist, lazy, ignorant, and/or you hurt her children.
 

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Doug said:
Tsaba said:
and this is why awards such as these don't mean a thing anymore, it's just a popularity contest now.
Obama's popular in Norway?
Well... he's big in Japan.

Sorry, just had to say that.

During the election, almost every single country in the world wanted Obama to win over McCain (it's true, look it up). So I guess he still is popular in many countries.