Hitlers goal was world domination. To say Germany would have let us be if the U.S. had stayed out of World War II is ignorant in the extreme.stinkychops said:Haha, so you think the Iraq war is protecting your liberty?James Cassidy said:What the hell does "planning to pull troops out of Iraq, planning to fix the country, and promising to do other things" have to do with Peace anyway? Like I said planning is not the same as "doing." Ever heard the saying "Actions speak louder than words."stinkychops said:What the hell does that have to do with it. The intelligence of the US people has no effect on the winning of the Nobel Piece prize. While I cana gree that he doesent deserve it who does? Certainly not dubbya Bush who went to war, hardly peaceful. Its a joke anyway.James Cassidy said:snip
Let us not only forget that the peace we have today was created with the sacrifice of soldiers in the field. Let me remind you of a few wars I can think of that have made a difference...Revolutionary War. You should know this one, we celebrate it every year in July 4th. World War II. Yeah if no one fought, Hitler would still run the show and the European nation would be under German control.
As bad as war is, sometimes it was necessary to achieve the peace that we wanted. To have the freedom we wanted. As much as we like to think, Freedom isn't Free and sometimes we have to fight for it.
Let us also not forget that the Nobel Peace Prize was created after Alfred Nobel who invented...answers ladies and gentleman? Dynamite. An explosive compound that creates destruction. Yeah, peaceful in an ironic sort of way.
I am done with this nonsense. We had some many things that were given to people for achieving something above and beyond anyone else has ever done...now we just give them out to anyone who gives a damn.
Give me a Nobel Peace prize, I am sure I can create something that makes people stop hating each other....I plan to anyway.
If no-one fought, then Hitler wouldn't be a threat because he wouldn't have invaded or caused the death of anyone.
Everyone your saying, while having shades of truth does not contradict my point, despite the strawmans efforts. While it is true humanity often has to fight for freedom; that doesent mean these people should get a Nobel piece prize.
Put forward your candidate please. (I don't think Obama should have it but I imagine the board knows better than me)
Traditionally, the award is more often given to someone in the midst of a project than a completed project. It is meant less as a reward and more as encouragement - hence the 1.4 million dollar prize, usually meant as a fund for the project the individual(s) is/are working on. And all nominations are done by a limited number of past winners, judges, etc. - all before February 1st of the award-giving year.Seldon2639 said:What surprises and annoys me is that he's won the award based on what he wants to do, rather than what he has done. I wasn't aware that the judging criteria consisted of how much someone really wants to make the world peaceful. I thought you had to accomplish something to that end.
I really want to make the world peaceful. Where's my million dollars and cool medallion?
It's actually a kind of funny story. His brother died, and it was reported in the newspapers that Alfred Nobel had died. He got to see how the world would remember him, and it remembered him as a man who had exponentially increased people's ability to kill each other. He made the Nobel Prize to salvage his legacy. It wasn't really a foresight thing, don't give him too much credit.Bobbovski said:The dynamite was actually one of the reasons why he created the Peace prize. He knew that some people would use it to kill each other so he wanted to make up for it by creating the peace prize. Also don't forget that the dynamite was created to make things like mining safer.James Cassidy said:Let us also not forget that the Nobel Peace Prize was created after Alfred Nobel who invented...answers ladies and gentleman? Dynamite. An explosive compound that creates destruction. Yeah, peaceful in an ironic sort of way.
How is it "Bush's War?" Congress has to vote to do anything.HG131 said:Well, for all of the things he's doing. Setting a date for getting out of Bush's war, health care (FU Congress!), and everything else.ZeeClone said:Direct Link [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8298580.stm]
US President Barack Obama has won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize, selected from a field of 205 nominees.
Now, forgive my ignorance and I'm hoping not to get flamed for this. But what for?
I don't know nearly enough of his political or diplomatic history to comment and I know they don't give out Nobel Prizes for collecting enough cereal box tops.
"The Nobel Committee said he won it for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and co-operation between peoples"."ZeeClone said:Direct Link [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8298580.stm]
US President Barack Obama has won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize, selected from a field of 205 nominees.
Now, forgive my ignorance and I'm hoping not to get flamed for this. But what for?
I don't know nearly enough of his political or diplomatic history to comment and I know they don't give out Nobel Prizes for collecting enough cereal box tops.
Hate to be a Nazi but it's prize not price.TZer0 said:In my opinion: this is sad. Obama doesn't need that price! The price is supposed to shed some light on the not-so-known fighters for freedom. How about giving it to someone in Africa or Asia fighting for their right to live free, the right to exercise their religion and for independence!
I do understand the process. What still doesn't make sense is that he isn't working on a "project" for world peace. He's been diplomatic with other countries, so have most presidents. He's expressed an interest in disarmament and a bunch of other "good" things for "peace", but there's no progress. Once again, I've done about as much to foster peace in the world, but I don't have the nobel committee banging down my door with a cash prize for saying I'd like to make the world more peaceful.Roxilla84 said:Traditionally, the award is more often given to someone in the midst of a project than a completed project. It is meant less as a reward and more as encouragement - hence the 1.4 million dollar prize, usually meant as a fund for the project the individual(s) is/are working on. And all nominations are done by a limited number of past winners, judges, etc. - all before February 1st of the award-giving year.Seldon2639 said:What surprises and annoys me is that he's won the award based on what he wants to do, rather than what he has done. I wasn't aware that the judging criteria consisted of how much someone really wants to make the world peaceful. I thought you had to accomplish something to that end.
I really want to make the world peaceful. Where's my million dollars and cool medallion?