President Obama Awarded Nobel Peace Prize

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Did I miss the memo? Its cool to diss on Obama now? I wanna be cool guys...

OT: He has at least initiated talks and other actions with the intent of peace, which (while maybe not justifying the award yet) was way more than Bush ever did for peace. How many wars has Obama declared without the approval of Congress?
 

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no one knows why he got it. after reading this thread i decided to look it up and there is no real reason for him getting the prize. the best reason i found was that he urged talks between Israel and Pakistan, but was completely and utterly ignored. also one of the chairmen said this

"Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," said Nobel chairman Thorbjoern Jagland. which is another way to say that he did absolutely nothing. the fact that obama has accomplished nothing and is still getting a Nobel peace prize is a disgrace to the prize itself. the prize is meant to award individuals who do ground breaking research and discovery's to benefit mankind. i abhor the fact that the president of the united states gets a prize for playing nice with the rest of the world. is there not anyone better suited to receive the prize?
 

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thatdude1243 said:
no one knows why he got it. after reading this thread i decided to look it up and there is no real reason for him getting the prize. the best reason i found was that he urged talks between Israel and Pakistan, but was completely and utterly ignored. also one of the chairmen said this

"Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," said Nobel chairman Thorbjoern Jagland. which is another way to say that he did absolutely nothing. the fact that obama has accomplished nothing and is still getting a Nobel peace prize is a disgrace to the prize itself. the prize is meant to award individuals who do ground breaking research and discovery's to benefit mankind. i abhor the fact that the president of the united states gets a prize for playing nice with the rest of the world. is there not anyone better suited to receive the prize?
WOW!
Did not George W. Bush urge Israel and militants to talk? How come he doesn't have one?
How about giving the prize to the general in charge of Iraq that's done a great job cutting down sectarian violence?
 

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Blah blah blah...

"Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," the committee said.

More blah blah blah...

The committee wanted to be "far more daring" than in recent times and make an impact on global politics, said Kristian Berg Harpviken, director of the International Peace Research Institute.

Again with the blah blah..

The deadline for nominations must be postmarked by February 1 each year. Obama was inaugurated on January 20.

One last blah...
Information! You sustain me! Yes, I could have looked up the info myself, and probably would have eventually, but by then, I wouldn't have been able to contribute to the conversation effectively or in constructive manners.

I read through the whole article, and while I don't agree with Nobel Committee in their decision to award Obama with the Nobel, I do understand their reasoning behind it now.

Three areas in that article pointed out, so I'll comment on those (A lot easier then trying to comment on everything else going on here.). First up, I have to give credit where credit is due. Obama DID do wonders for capturing the world's attention and providing hope for a better tomorrow. Obama met the Prize Committee's criteria for that. I don't agree that should award him a prize though. Hope is good, but only when it's followed up by action that can see that hope come to fruition. False hope is a terrible thing.

If you get cancer, and your doctor tells you "Don't worry! You'll be fine! Medicinal breakthroughs happen all the time! Why, in a few years, if you keep up with your treatments, you'll be right as rain!" Yeah, you're gonna be VERY optimistic about your battle. The smart guy just told you everything's going to be alright. Then, a few years down the road, you start realizing it's not happening the way you thought it was going to, and that foundation of hope gets totally abolished. To me, that's just cruel to do to someone.

When Obama makes progress on this, then I'll say he's deserving in these regards for a Peace Prize. But just talking with Iran, while Iran gets closer and closer to building nuclear weapons with no sign of stopping or slowing down, I see him accomplishing nothing. While talking with N. Korea, while they continue their posturing and saber rattling as they've always done, and not stopping or slowing down anything, I see him accomplishing nothing. Actions speak louder then words.

The second main comment actually concerns me. I applaud the Nobel Peace Prize and their efforts to reward those who seek out world peace. However, I also feel that they should leave global politics to the politicians and not to Prize Committees. When a Prize Committee starts awarding money for manipulating people, it comes across to me as bribe money with an applause. Of course, I'm pretty sure I'm worrying over nothing, as I doubt they'll ever attempt to take over the world through the Nobel Prize... Or will they???

And the last part is the most frightening. I saw someone else point this out earlier in one of their posts. Less then 2 weeks in office and his name is already in the hat for the prize? This here alone is what makes me feel this is strong political back door shenanigans. Not unheard of in the Nobel community, but I still hate seeing it. There's enough politicking everywhere else in the world. Don't need it there too. Maybe all this means is, I'm loosing my faith in the Nobel Prize winners. *Shrugs*
 

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I don't think he's done something special enough to be worthy of a Nobel Prize, at least not yet.

If he actually manages to accomplish even half the things he's promised the American people though, he'd deserve it.
 

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Seldon2639 said:
Roxilla84 said:
Seldon2639 said:
What surprises and annoys me is that he's won the award based on what he wants to do, rather than what he has done. I wasn't aware that the judging criteria consisted of how much someone really wants to make the world peaceful. I thought you had to accomplish something to that end.

I really want to make the world peaceful. Where's my million dollars and cool medallion?
Traditionally, the award is more often given to someone in the midst of a project than a completed project. It is meant less as a reward and more as encouragement - hence the 1.4 million dollar prize, usually meant as a fund for the project the individual(s) is/are working on. And all nominations are done by a limited number of past winners, judges, etc. - all before February 1st of the award-giving year.
I do understand the process. What still doesn't make sense is that he isn't working on a "project" for world peace. He's been diplomatic with other countries, so have most presidents. He's expressed an interest in disarmament and a bunch of other "good" things for "peace", but there's no progress. Once again, I've done about as much to foster peace in the world, but I don't have the nobel committee banging down my door with a cash prize for saying I'd like to make the world more peaceful.
Oh, so, when did you make a significant step in reversing a leading world power's perceived hostility toward the followers of a major world religion? Or allowing more disclosure in the Freedom of Information Act? Or closing a detainee center that violated the Geneva Convention?

Failing that, I would love to hear all about your amazing advancements in saving the world from Cheetoh proliferation by selflessly ingesting them, despite the known hazards of cheese dust.
 

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In Iran, Obama's willingness to be open brought about the hope that average Iranians not happy about the regime's destructive efforts both economically and politically could actually go out and vote and make a difference. When interviewed, a lot of Iranians said they felt encouraged to vote for the first time in two decades after Obama became president. Unfortunately, then their hopes were squashed when the present regime merely overrode their votes and illegally stayed in power.

The seed there is now growing. It wasn't doing anything while Bush was President. Iran was more united in faith and cause while the Bush administration was making threats directly towards it. With a President more willing to address the PEOPLE of Iran, he's basically stealing a lot of the underlying unity and hatred that the Iran regime relies on to stay squarely in power.

I think North Korea's and Iran's increased saber rattling lately has come from a growing desperation as their control slowly wanes over a populace that's growing more and more dissatisfied (and starving, in the case of North Korea). It was a brilliant move on Obama's part to say that he's interested in addressing the PEOPLE of these countries, and not so much the greedy, violent regime trying to oppress the people.

It's still not enough to win a Nobel Peace Prize, but with one small reversal in how US conducts foreign policy, it's amazing how much more cooperative our own allies and on-the-fence nations have become to the US. And it's wearing on the dictatorships, as well.

It's not that Obama hasn't done anything - he hasn't done anything DYNAMIC yet. In all appearances, he's being a rather slow leader, which is pissing off a culture of "I WANT TO SEE PROGRESS NOW GOD DAMN IT!"
 

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i may be new to this whole "noble peace prize" deal
but isnt it usually customary to give this award to people who actually DID something to promote peace ?
i'm sure he's nice and all (or at least as nice as one can get for a politician)
but its a freaking noble peace prize
what did he actually DO to earn it
 

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wooooooooow this is bull fucking shit all hes done is read off a teleprompter and now he gets an award for doing nothing

if you dont agree then bring on the hate mail bitchs
 

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I agree with Zeeclone. He didn't do anything really. I turn my back on the world for one day, and now this is happening? I don't like this at all. I think that the other countries pity us right now
 

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Well, it seems that a lot of people didn't read the article.

I think he did deserve it, maybe not just yet, but he has done a lot of stuff to deserve it. To be honest, I doubt I could sum it up better than this:
McClaud said:
In Iran, Obama's willingness to be open brought about the hope that average Iranians not happy about the regime's destructive efforts both economically and politically could actually go out and vote and make a difference. When interviewed, a lot of Iranians said they felt encouraged to vote for the first time in two decades after Obama became president. Unfortunately, then their hopes were squashed when the present regime merely overrode their votes and illegally stayed in power.

The seed there is now growing. It wasn't doing anything while Bush was President. Iran was more united in faith and cause while the Bush administration was making threats directly towards it. With a President more willing to address the PEOPLE of Iran, he's basically stealing a lot of the underlying unity and hatred that the Iran regime relies on to stay squarely in power.

I think North Korea's and Iran's increased saber rattling lately has come from a growing desperation as their control slowly wanes over a populace that's growing more and more dissatisfied (and starving, in the case of North Korea). It was a brilliant move on Obama's part to say that he's interested in addressing the PEOPLE of these countries, and not so much the greedy, violent regime trying to oppress the people.

It's still not enough to win a Nobel Peace Prize, but with one small reversal in how US conducts foreign policy, it's amazing how much more cooperative our own allies and on-the-fence nations have become to the US. And it's wearing on the dictatorships, as well.

It's not that Obama hasn't done anything - he hasn't done anything DYNAMIC yet. In all appearances, he's being a rather slow leader, which is pissing off a culture of "I WANT TO SEE PROGRESS NOW GOD DAMN IT!"
Congratulations and well done to Mr. Obama, now that's something that hasn't been said yet as far as I can see.

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strangemoose said:
wooooooooow this is bull fucking shit all hes done is read off a teleprompter and now he gets an award for doing nothing

if you dont agree then bring on the hate mail bitchs
I think you need to read a dictionary, because I don't think 'nothing' means what you think it means.

Your argument might be event slightly valid if you had any notion of grammar too. No one's going to take that 'post' seriously, me included.
 

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The Nobels are politically minded. An example of the past instead of awarding to someone who made a machine that turn any donated blood into the blood(no need to worry about donor type blood) Al Gore got the Nobel for Global Awareness about Global Warming. That is how you know merit doesn't matter. Something that makes it so all you need is blood instead of a type of blood gets snubbed for a con job by Al Gore. Have no care that he won, wouldn't care if he didn't get it. The award is rigged in the first place, just shows how deep he is for the system instead of change. If you want me to care about Obbama in general show, show when he does what he promise and isn't worse then the last guy. Making the country worse then it was before, yea that is real change I can believe in.
 

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The Nobel Peace Prize has a historical precedent of promoting progressive ideals. Even as far back as Teddy Roosevelt we were seeing the committee nominate strong progressive ideologues. Obama is just another in a string of progressive American presidents to be given the award to give global justification to his policies.
 

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Its just one massive PR job to try and save face when he can save the country from descending into chaos. Honestly, no president could ever affect the country, let alone Obama. Presidents don't have power, they're in office to draw attention away from it. He's got a good pr department though...
I'd agree with this.
OT: I think that this serves only as a slap in the face to previous prize winners, awarding it to Obama essentially makes a mockery of the prize. As far as I'm concerned, he isn't even a good president, let alone deserving such a prestigious prize.
 

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yeah_so_no said:
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yeah_so_no said:
Uhh...you DO realize it's not America who gives out the Nobel Peace Prize, right? It's the Norwegian Nobel Committee, with the committee for the Peace Prize elected by the Norwegian Parliament.

And for everyone wondering why they chose him [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091009/ap_on_re_eu/eu_nobel_peace], to quote the committee:

"Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," the committee said. "His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population."

The committee said it attached special importance to Obama's vision of, and work for, a world without nuclear weapons.

"Obama has as president created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play," the committee said.



No. They've only just started awarding them for this year this week. Three American women won for Chemistry, and German woman won for Literature yesterday, and they just announced the Peace prize today.
So he won it, because he's a good motivational speaker???

OT: The economy's still shit.

Iran's crazier than ever.

There's no agreement between the left or the right (Both sides are the problem).

He won't send more troops to Afghanistan per generals request,

China's pretty pissed off at us at the moment.

America is no better now than it was nine months ago.

There is STILL a gigantic hole where the World Trade Centers once stood (fantastic memorial by the way /sarcasm)

And North Korea's still competing with hell in the worst place to live contest.

When did the Nobel Committee go completely nuts??? My mother deserves The Peace Prize for her tactics when dealing with Neo Nazis. Which consist of her calling them every type of ******, *****, and ****** there is (she calls them that because that's what's pisses them off the most not because she bigoted, and yes I'm being facetious. I know she doesn't deserve The Nobel Peace Prize).

Give him more time to prove himself worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize. Words are useless without action and most of the time he just speaks. Are they peaceful words? Yes, but he has not changed anything. He may change the world and bring peace, or he may make things worse. They should have waited until he made a true difference not just talked about it.

P.S. My mother is a wonderful person unless you're a racist, lazy, ignorant, and/or you hurt her children.
Common misconceptions about the Nobel Peace Prize [http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j1_QF_M_HvZAOpRa9UGcm5CbA-1gD9B7HDR80]:

Myth: The prize is awarded to recognize efforts for peace, human rights and democracy only after they have proven successful.

More often, the prize is awarded to encourage those who receive it to see the effort through, sometimes at critical moments.


So, did you just ignore the fact that the committee specifically mentioned it was Obama's anti-nuke position? This prize is meant to encourage him, which he most definitely needs with all the fools calling him Hitler/socialist/communist/facist/other things that completely contradict themselves and make no damned sense. They are telling him to see his promise through.

Further, y'know what? If your mother truly calls people "******, *****, and ******"? Speaking as someone who can get called two of those three? She's not someone I'd ever want to meet, nor someone against racism (or homophobia or sexism because, after all, one who is truly against any of those things is not going to use that kind of offensive language), nor is she someone I would consider a "wonderful person."
First. Thank you for correcting me about The Nobel Peace Prize. That clears alot of things up for me thanks.

Second. I don't want to start a thread war, but my mother is NOT racist, homophobic, or sexist. The reason she calls NEO NAZIS *****, ******, and ****** is.

1. In prison a ***** is someone who is used as currency, and their sole purpose is to do whatever their current owner tells them to i.e. toss their salad.

2. Neo Nazis hate gays with all their non-existent hearts. Just as much as they hate Jews, Mexicans, Blacks, or anyone else with melanin in their skin, so calling one a ****** is worse than calling them a *****.

3. Once again Neo Nazis HATE Black people. That is their number one race to hate. They even have video games where you kill just Jews and Black people. They teach their children to hate. They sing the praises of Hitler and attack innocent people. You can call them (pardon the language) pieces of shit, fuck face, asshole, dick head, redneck ************, and that will not affect them. However there is no equal to the word ****** in their eyes, and every time my mother hears the phrase "White Power" she gets enraged, and she knows exactly how to tweak them, so that's what she does.

My mother hates racist and homophobes with every fiber of her being. She hates what they do. She hates what they stand for, so she takes their favorite words and she uses those words against them.

She once told me, "Mac ****** is not a race it is a person, a person who has no redeeming value, a person who's garbage, a dirty, ignorant, useless piece of shit that shouldn't exist Black or White. It doesn't matter." That's how she defines the word. That's how she uses it. She doesn't use those words in a racist, sexist, or homophobic manner. You need to stop seeing the words and start seeing the context which they're used in.

Also you're being closed minded when you say "She's not someone I'd ever want to meet, nor someone against racism (or homophobia or sexism because, after all, one who is truly against any of those things is not going to use that kind of offensive language)"

Me and my mom mainly my mom (she worked with the guy at Castles and Coasters) used to hang out with a guy who is gay and proud of it (he moved to California and we lost contact) he would call other gays quote "Fucking Faggots" I asked him about that and he said "honey I'm gay. He's a fucking ******. A gay man doesn't doesn't go down the street grabbing another man's ass like that. Only faggots do that. Doing that in private is fine, but you don't play grab ass in public"

I've heard Mexicans call other Mexicans Wetbacks. I've heard Blacks call Blacks ******. they were speaking of the person not the race. all I'm saying is please look at the context next time not the word.
sorry about the massive amount of cursing.

Good luck during your day.
 

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In my opinion: this is sad. Obama doesn't need that price! The price is supposed to shed some light on the not-so-known fighters for freedom. How about giving it to someone in Africa or Asia fighting for their right to live free, the right to exercise their religion and for independence!
Im sure hes a great guy and all, but he needs to do something without his PR department overplaying every fucking thing he does
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How about the freedom fighters in Iran he turned his back on. and then they got slaughtered.
Sounds like a "Nobel" kinda deal, he didn't even release a statement until 2 weeks after the fighting started and the statement was "The elections may have been fixed".
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Superbeast said:
Maybe for getting an agreement to cut the number of nuclear weapons?

In terms of global peace that's quite a big one, especially since G.W.Bush's pushing for the "missile defence system" in Poland was escalating Russia to begin practising nuclear launches...

If it's not for that then I dunno why he's been given it, but then I haven't really been up-to-date with what he's been doing lately (firstly I'm in Britain and secondly at uni with no TV so haven't been watching the nightly BBC news).
This is exactly it. He's been leading the fight against nuclear weapons and considering this involves getting rid of his own countries armaments, the largest stockpile in the world, this is a pretty big step for world peace. Hence I can fully understand and support the decision to award it to him.
^ every president since Regan has done that, Both Bushes and Clinton, even Al Gore the VP helped with that. So in your view Bush Senior and Bush Junior and Regan get the Nobel award too?
Personally for that whole ending the cold war thing I think Regan should have got it.