Racist tram woman watches video evidence; denies everything

[Darkmantle]

what's the difference between one swear word and three?

someone who's upset about their state of affairs and venting, and a raving lunatic.

I don't think you are using the word you think you are using "emigration"

Definition for emigration:
Web definitions:
migration from a place (especially migration from your native country in order to settle in another).
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
So no, leaving your native country is not hate, But I doubt that's what you meant.

and if my mother was stupid enough to act like that, I expect her to get punished, and more than an idle slap on the wrist. I don't see how it being my mother should change my opinion, unless you think I only hold this opinion lightly.

I highly doubt there is some kind of secret racist organization somehow feeding off people who hate them, as if everyone thinking you're an asshole makes you stronger.

Being kind to racists doesn't stop them from being racist, it reaffirms their feelings of superiority. I know in the states segregation was not ended by the blacks being nicer to racists, it was ended when they passively resisted them. Passive resistance is not being nice. You think every time a black person did something nice for a white man the white guy was like "gee they're not so bad after all"? or was it more likely they were more along the lines of "damn right, you are beneath me".

And I don't take such a black and white view of hate. Any racists who still exist in this century are simply refusing to change against all evidence, and as such I don't feel any need to be kind to them. Fuck them. Hopefully their kids grow up smarter, because the parents are already too set in their ways.

Being nice to them only makes them think that what they are doing is acceptable.

now granted, this woman is going to have the book thrown through her if possible, by the courts. So the ruling will be harsher than needed, but not even close to unwarranted. At the very least child services should be heavily re-evaluating her fitness to parent. Someone who throws a fit like that is not capable of raising children. they are children, not yet mature enough to act in a reasonable matter and too busy throwing temper tantrums and swearing.

I mean Emigration, "moving of people out of a country of area" this is hardly blasphemy.

The Civil rights movement was won by gaining the moral high ground and shaming the racists into stopping their discrimination. It was the speeches of Martin Luther King, calling not for division but for unity. He asked for forgiveness, reconciliation and fairness, he did NOT want a race war. When he was assassinated his message only stood more poignant.

Passive resistance only worked so far.

And I don't take such a black and white view of hate. Any racists who still exist in this century are simply refusing to change against all evidence, and as such I don't feel any need to be kind to them.

But that IS a "black and white" view. Any amount of racism means they deserve no amount of kindness?!? Do you think that will ever convert them from their racist ways? By fighting with them? That will only turn racists further towards extremism.

Being nice to them only makes them think that what they are doing is acceptable.

No. No no no no. How can you characterise kindness like that?

I'm not saying slavish subservience. I mean in a clear case like a strong your man who has every physical advantage over an elderly lady he use kindness to prove her racist ideas are wrong, that immigrants are not a curse on her country but will help her.

Someone who throws a fit like that is not capable of raising children.

Have you parents NEVER thrown a fit like that? Regardless of any racial aspect? They've never had a rant and rave over something? You realise what kind of precedent this sets for breaking up families? Do you have any idea how cruel it is what you are condoning?

I'm not going to continue you to argue with you about this. The woman is an unfit mother, and no my parents don't freak the hell out like that. Ever. So I feel bad for you if yours did.

but at least use the proper word.

Emigration is the opposite of immigration. Every immigrant has emigrated from some where else.

what you are referring to is relocation.

Also, the police cracked down on the KKK in the states, not shame. Shame made the government and other white people support the black movement, and in the government's case, use force. Funny how that happened eh?

 

[Dethenger]

I hope her defense starts with "You see your honor, that was all taken out of context"

Coupled with your avatar, I lol'd.

 

[Something Amyss]

In case it hasn't been covered, BBC reported that the "not guilty" plea was erroneous and she hadn't actually entered one yet.

 

[Treblaine]

If the woman was replaced with a skinhead with boots, wife-beater and shaved head would you be as welcoming to their right to voice their opinions in such a public, vile and open manner?

Vile? What obscene things did she reference? As in to genitals, defection, lewd or gory acts? You neglected to mention that. You can't just use vile to characterise the opposing argument to controversial issues like immigration.

A skinhead's words don't hurt any more than an old lady's, it's just that it is a threat to use their physical strength and suspected partial prowess for violent attack that is indicated by violent words. In which case it is a completely different situation. Also skinheads are clearly trolls, everything about their dress and mode is design to intimidate and incite unrest, but old ladies ranting about and issue you CANNOT compare the a para-military arch-racist!

And I wouldn't resort to shoving a Skinhead either, I would engage and THINK about how to defuse the situation and only resort to any sort of physical action in preservation, self-defence. We're all human beings, can we not relate on that? Change the subject, sooth the issue, don't butt heads! If they persist them they are being a clear threat. An old lady daring to suggest that the status quo should be changed on immigration is not a threat that should be acted against so harshly as if she is a racist gang member spoiling for a fight!

Also do NOT make the straw man argument that I "welcome" such outburst. I don't. They clearly are inflammatory and muddy the issue. Why am I suddenly on their side just because I don't want to needlessly escalate the situation? I'm PRO immigration! I've lived half my life as an Immigrant.

You know what I HAVE been on trains and found myself conversing with elderly people where they go on a tirade about "bloody immigrants" and I don't let myself get mad at them or confrontational with them, because I know the second you've done that you've lost them. I take the opportunity to school them. And if you can't hope to change their mind why bother speaking to them abut this? Show a bit of diplomacy. I certainly don't try to bodily remove them! That will ONLY reaffirm their prejudices.

This is the upbringing I've had.

And this is what I take from the Civil Rights Movement of the American South, that wasn't won by shoving around old ladies as if it was right, but by realising it was WRONG.

A man was smoking on the tram the other day, an old lady asked him to put it out and he just grunted and carried on. When I stood up and told him to put it out he got off at the next stop.
A teenager was smoking on the tram the other day, a mother with a child asked him to put it out. He laughed and carried on. I stood up, he put it out.
You can see in the OPs video that the guy sitting behind the lady wants to do something but he is stopped. But what if we had. what if instead of allowing racism because we don't want to cause a scene or be direct we make racists afraid of shouting their hate on a tram, train or bus full of people.
I like immigration, if I were so inclined I could apply for and take a job anywhere in the EU absolutely freely.
If ever you visit the UK, pick up a copy of The Daily Mail and you will see the type of stories that have fueled this womans opinions.
Headlines designed to sell papers become public opinion and nobody tells them they are wrong.

You are still throwing your weight around like a bully, and using tacit threat of force.

I've been able to get people to stop smoking without getting in their face. And I've been able to get old-codgers ranting about "bloody immigrants" to shut up and think for a moment.

You know WHY hate speech is a problem? Because it inspires people to gang up on weaker minorities, often violently. And what is it to impose yourself on those smaller and weaker than you? How do you think that will embolden the militant racists by actually giving them a cause to rally around? You can't beat racism with a war! Not through threats or force.

If ever you visit the UK, pick up a copy of The Daily Mail and you will see

What makes you assume I don't live in the UK? I have used British spelling consistently. And it says my location is the UK on my profile page! I am fully aware of the Daily Mail and stories of immigrants shoving old ladies off trains are precisely the kinds of stories they write, yet ones that YOU boast about! Who knows how much you exaggerate or embellish either way you certainly seemed proud of such an over-reaction.

And I don't like the Daily Mail. They are too conservative, censorious and hypocritical in the typical tabloid way. They aren't a newspaper, they are a tabloid. The Economist is more of a newspaper and the only one I regularly read. The Economist regularly keeps track of their inaccuracies and how they mislead and shape public opinion though not to such a great extent.

 

[Treblaine]

I hope you recognise the Daily Mail has a right to say what they say without being branded racists.

Racism: a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

That does NOT include merely suggesting that immigration policies might be an issue worth reconsidering, as Jazoni did there. Don't make a straw man argument including every racist excess and fallacy just because they dare to challenge the status quo on an issue that happens to include an aspect of race. But not hugely, Polish people are largely White Europeans, how is this a race issue?

As a society we MUST be able to approach the issue of immigration without accusations of racism.

The fact that they are treated as some horrible blight because the are not from this particular part of Europe is racism, I'm sure you and your ilk would like to pretend it's some higher debate about "lax" immigration laws, but it's not.

The only way people like wouldn't think it was lax is if everyone not of British birth was ankle tagged at all times if they where allowed in at all.

I find it particularly distasteful in a country that should have such very close ties with the polish, the town I grew up in is host to a massive polish war graves cemetery, most of them where airmen who died defending Britain even after they're own nation had been over run.

You and yours are disgusting bunch of closet racist hiding behind another issue pretending that's all it's about.

I'm sorry, but you are characterising the entire side of the debate that there might be too much, and maybe JUST A LITTLE less, is "horrible racism".

I'm sure you and your ilk would like to pretend it's some higher debate

You're sure that you are not pretending the opposite? Pretending any debate against immigration is some evil insidious racist conspiracy. Are you saying there is NOTHING absolutely nothing..

nada,

none

zippo

... not a shred of a legitimate argument for reduction in immigration? That any argument for it is just closet Klansmen?

Also "your ilk"? I'm arguing for free speech and suddenly I am 'one of them'. I'm pro-immigration, especially from Poland. It is a good thing but surely you must see you can have too much of a good thing. I'm pro-NHS but I'm not I favour of having money poured into unconditionally it for every useless treatment, like homoeopathy and aromatherapy. I don't hate the elderly just because I think the winter-fuel allowance should be means assessed.

And I think we should engage with an have dialogue with people who have these outburst, not lock them up! That only confirms their prejudice that the system is out against them.

 

[Treblaine]

what's the difference between one swear word and three?

someone who's upset about their state of affairs and venting, and a raving lunatic.

I don't think you are using the word you think you are using "emigration"

Definition for emigration:
Web definitions:
migration from a place (especially migration from your native country in order to settle in another).
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
So no, leaving your native country is not hate, But I doubt that's what you meant.

and if my mother was stupid enough to act like that, I expect her to get punished, and more than an idle slap on the wrist. I don't see how it being my mother should change my opinion, unless you think I only hold this opinion lightly.

I highly doubt there is some kind of secret racist organization somehow feeding off people who hate them, as if everyone thinking you're an asshole makes you stronger.

Being kind to racists doesn't stop them from being racist, it reaffirms their feelings of superiority. I know in the states segregation was not ended by the blacks being nicer to racists, it was ended when they passively resisted them. Passive resistance is not being nice. You think every time a black person did something nice for a white man the white guy was like "gee they're not so bad after all"? or was it more likely they were more along the lines of "damn right, you are beneath me".

And I don't take such a black and white view of hate. Any racists who still exist in this century are simply refusing to change against all evidence, and as such I don't feel any need to be kind to them. Fuck them. Hopefully their kids grow up smarter, because the parents are already too set in their ways.

Being nice to them only makes them think that what they are doing is acceptable.

now granted, this woman is going to have the book thrown through her if possible, by the courts. So the ruling will be harsher than needed, but not even close to unwarranted. At the very least child services should be heavily re-evaluating her fitness to parent. Someone who throws a fit like that is not capable of raising children. they are children, not yet mature enough to act in a reasonable matter and too busy throwing temper tantrums and swearing.

I mean Emigration, "moving of people out of a country of area" this is hardly blasphemy.

The Civil rights movement was won by gaining the moral high ground and shaming the racists into stopping their discrimination. It was the speeches of Martin Luther King, calling not for division but for unity. He asked for forgiveness, reconciliation and fairness, he did NOT want a race war. When he was assassinated his message only stood more poignant.

Passive resistance only worked so far.

And I don't take such a black and white view of hate. Any racists who still exist in this century are simply refusing to change against all evidence, and as such I don't feel any need to be kind to them.

But that IS a "black and white" view. Any amount of racism means they deserve no amount of kindness?!? Do you think that will ever convert them from their racist ways? By fighting with them? That will only turn racists further towards extremism.

Being nice to them only makes them think that what they are doing is acceptable.

No. No no no no. How can you characterise kindness like that?

I'm not saying slavish subservience. I mean in a clear case like a strong your man who has every physical advantage over an elderly lady he use kindness to prove her racist ideas are wrong, that immigrants are not a curse on her country but will help her.

Someone who throws a fit like that is not capable of raising children.

Have you parents NEVER thrown a fit like that? Regardless of any racial aspect? They've never had a rant and rave over something? You realise what kind of precedent this sets for breaking up families? Do you have any idea how cruel it is what you are condoning?

I'm not going to continue you to argue with you about this. The woman is an unfit mother, and no my parents don't freak the hell out like that. Ever. So I feel bad for you if yours did.

but at least use the proper word.

Emigration is the opposite of immigration. Every immigrant has emigrated from some where else.

what you are referring to is relocation.

Also, the police cracked down on the KKK in the states, not shame. Shame made the government and other white people support the black movement, and in the government's case, use force. Funny how that happened eh?

I know what I meant in terms of immigration/emigration.

I think you could be a bit more caring and empathetic to the bond between a mother and her child you seems so keen to see broken. It should be done for the greater good for the child (considering how poor life is in the foster-care system), not the punishment of the parent.

KKK weren't broken by major police operations, they were broken by a membership crisis as the organisations collapsed with no wider public support. They had lost the argument, they had tried to start a race-war but they failed when they could not answer to non-violence.

 

[Treblaine]

*double post*

 

[spartandude]

she pleaded 'not guilty'?
is mental retardation a legitimate defense now?

it would explain how racist this country is

 

[CrystalShadow]

My point is, blaming -other- people just trying to get by is bull. Blame rich corporate fuckers hoarding more money than they will ever need, or blame pretty much everyone opposed to birth control.

Well, he has a bit of a point. An increase in the labour supply, without a growth in jobs, can end only two ways: with increased unemployment, or with lower wages.

The 'without a growth in jobs' thing is a big presumption. The UK didn't have many immigrants until the 90's, really, which was coincidentally a period of steadily declining unemployment:

(Compare the curve on the left to the last four bars on the right. Timescales are not the same.)

In fact, unemployment peaked during the decade where we had a lot more leaving than entering; the 80's.

The only reason all the racist people are emerging out of the woodwork now is because the number of jobs is going down, and anecdotally immigrants are more likely to take pay cuts than non-immigrants. I don't know if the data actually supports this assumption or not, and we probably wont until the census spits out its results.

Ah, I love graphs like these.

Unemployment figures are always a little less than straight-forward.

for instance:

For July to September 2011:
The employment rate for those aged from 16 to 64 was 70.2 per cent, down 0.4 on the quarter. There were 29.07 million people in employment aged 16 and over, down 197,000 on the quarter.

The unemployment rate was 8.3 per cent of the economically active population, up 0.4 on the quarter. There were 2.62 million unemployed people, up 129,000 on the quarter. The unemployment rate is the highest since 1996 and the number of unemployed people is the highest since 1994.

The inactivity rate for those aged from 16 to 64 was 23.3 per cent, up 0.1 on the quarter. There were 9.36 million economically inactive people aged from 16 to 64, up 64,000 on the quarter.

Total pay (including bonuses) rose by 2.3 per cent on a year earlier, down 0.4 on the three months to August 2011 (with both the private and public sectors showing lower pay growth).

Regular pay (excluding bonuses) rose by 1.7 per cent on a year earlier, down 0.1 on the three months to August 2011.
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/labour-market-statistics/november-2011/statistical-bulletin.html

(Getting stats from the source the government uses is definitely useful..)


In other words, in the age range of 16-64, 70% of the population works. From memory (it was a different document), about 16% are self-employed, and the remaining 46% are employed by another.

(Again from memory), the age-range 16-64 covers about 45 million people, and the overall population of the UK is about 64 million.

That means, taking the entire population into account, roughly 20.7 million people have jobs, 7.2 million are self-employed...

20 million are children or pensioners...

...

Basically, less than 50% of the UK population has work. (And if you exclude the self-employed, which is somewhat silly, but I guess you could do that, it's less than 1/3).

So how many jobs do we really have available compared even just to the 'economically inactive' + 'unemployed'? (That's roughly 12 million)

Well, as easy as it is to find statistics for the employment figures, I've tried to research this in the past (because glib remarks from the government piss me off), I find it very difficult to even get estimates for the number of job vacancies.

The first step in figuring out how bad the situation actually is, is comparing these two figures. (This is especially relevant if it doesn't even come close to meeting the unemployment figures. Because the government is making a big push to get quite a few people who are currently classed as 'economically inactive' into work as well. That's pretty irresponsible if there aren't even jobs for those currently considered unemployed.)

Not that I'm one to talk in a debate about racism. I have british citizenship, but I'm technically a foreigner by some people's standards. (But I'm white, and from an English-speaking background, so I don't stand out so much.).
Of course, if someone tells me to 'go back where I came from', the reality is there's no such place.
There is no country on the planet I've lived long enough to truly call home.
And if you go by genetics, I'm mixed race, but the largest percentage is a country that I have lived in in the past, but which doesn't recognise me as a citizen.
(I can move there now if I wanted to, but ironically only because of the EU and having british citizenship.)

But I guess this applies to a lot of groups subjected to racism.
I've met a handful of black people here in England, and all of them clearly grew up here. It was obvious from their accents and behaviour they were just as English as anyone else, they just happened to have dark skin which makes certain people perceive them as foreigners.
(Just as anyone that sees my last name probably thinks I'm polish, which while true in one sense, in any realistic context, I don't even know the first thing about Poland, it's language or customs, and would be far more obviously a foreigner there, and I am here.)

Ehm... Right, I'm not really sure what I'm saying anymore. Or what the relevance was exactly... Something to do with statistics?
Never mind... >_<

 

[CrazyGirl17]

...of course she does. *SIGH* And my folks wonder why I dislike people?

 

[Rhatar Khurin]

Aww i wanted a video! /sadface

 

[The Funslinger]

snip

Well, I'm not really a political person, but this here's typical behavior of someone who is. I said a child shouldn't be raised in that environment, and you make the sensational connection that that means orphaning him. Little thing called social workers? Parental classes? Hmm?

As for the immigrants thing, she spent five minutes looking at people of different skin colours and assuming they floated to this country on a door or something. If you listen to the people on the train, the vast majority of them had the local accent, and remarked that they were British citizens. A large deal of those people were likely in fact born in Britain, and had just as much right (if not more) to be there than her, because at least they were just going about their business and not causing a huge scene over nothing. That's to say nothing of the fact that she was aware of the fact that she was waking and frightening small children and still refused to shut up.

She was clearly unprovoked, and going out of her way to demonize everyone around her in such a way that's pretty clearly disturbing the peace. So stop trying to blow what I say up Fox News style.

 

[Hoplon]

I hope you recognise the Daily Mail has a right to say what they say without being branded racists.

Racism: a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

That does NOT include merely suggesting that immigration policies might be an issue worth reconsidering, as Jazoni did there. Don't make a straw man argument including every racist excess and fallacy just because they dare to challenge the status quo on an issue that happens to include an aspect of race. But not hugely, Polish people are largely White Europeans, how is this a race issue?

As a society we MUST be able to approach the issue of immigration without accusations of racism.

The fact that they are treated as some horrible blight because the are not from this particular part of Europe is racism, I'm sure you and your ilk would like to pretend it's some higher debate about "lax" immigration laws, but it's not.

The only way people like wouldn't think it was lax is if everyone not of British birth was ankle tagged at all times if they where allowed in at all.

I find it particularly distasteful in a country that should have such very close ties with the polish, the town I grew up in is host to a massive polish war graves cemetery, most of them where airmen who died defending Britain even after they're own nation had been over run.

You and yours are disgusting bunch of closet racist hiding behind another issue pretending that's all it's about.

I'm sorry, but you are characterising the entire side of the debate that there might be too much, and maybe JUST A LITTLE less, is "horrible racism".

I'm sure you and your ilk would like to pretend it's some higher debate

You're sure that you are not pretending the opposite? Pretending any debate against immigration is some evil insidious racist conspiracy. Are you saying there is NOTHING absolutely nothing..

nada,

none

zippo

... not a shred of a legitimate argument for reduction in immigration? That any argument for it is just closet Klansmen?

Also "your ilk"? I'm arguing for free speech and suddenly I am 'one of them'. I'm pro-immigration, especially from Poland. It is a good thing but surely you must see you can have too much of a good thing. I'm pro-NHS but I'm not I favour of having money poured into unconditionally it for every useless treatment, like homoeopathy and aromatherapy. I don't hate the elderly just because I think the winter-fuel allowance should be means assessed.

And I think we should engage with an have dialogue with people who have these outburst, not lock them up! That only confirms their prejudice that the system is out against them.

I don't want to lock them up, i want them to stop using up valuable oxygen spouting hateful trash based on the dribbling sludge the right wing media spew forth in to my drink, I want them to admit the biggest problem with any system is people, and untill they admit that nothing else they have to say will hold any merit because it all smacks of limited thinking suggesting that there is some perfect answer to any issue.

fuck! they might as well go an pray about it for all the good it does.

You and yours, are way to focused on the fact "people are coming in to the country" not on if we need those people (hint, we do) just that they are foreign and might at some point get something you consider rightfully yours.

Stop pretending you care about anything other than getting your own way. it's insulting.

 

[lemby117]

They walk the streets in public in the UK wearing Burkas like it's the middle of Delhi or something, it's not on at all.

Right here is where I judge you as under educated s*** who probably spent his entire school years drinking, and now wants the government to tell the (compartively small) amount of people who come into the UK each year, who are running from unimaginable horrors, that they have to make sure that they dont get any jobs that the far larger proportion, might be interested in regardless of qualifications, and that the have to conform to the culture of the country there entering. People like you are the reason that people are killed for being midle eastern like this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/26/race
and this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024375/BIRMINGHAM-RIOTS-Race-murder-victim-Haroon-Jahans-father-Tariq-calls-calm.html

Sorry I just get really mad when people ruin the country I love with racism and intollerance.

OT while I don't know about aa jail term, this womman should have her child taken away for his own sake.

 

[Valdus]

Whilst I hate this ignorant waste of organic material as much as the next guy, this shouldn't be illegal. Had she ranted on about how awful they were as human beings for any other reason, it wouldn't be, and that's racism in and of itself. Also, free speech should be a right reserved for every person on Earth.

"Go back to your own country" isn't an opinion, it's a demand. You may have a right to opinions but you have no right to demand others leave the country. Free speech isn't some all purpose get-out-of-jail-free-card - it's a right intended to let people actually speak out against atrocities. It was put in place so that, unlike in olden times, you can't be hanged just for saying something like "Our king's last ruling was unjust".

Stop being ignorent and learn what our actual rights are and why they're there. Free speech does not give you any right to shout racial bigotry in a public place, demanding that the people there leave the country purely because they have a different skin tone. Free speech used to be something good, but idiots like her abuse such a right and hide behind them like cowards.

 

[spartan231490]

Whilst I hate this ignorant waste of organic material as much as the next guy, this shouldn't be illegal. Had she ranted on about how awful they were as human beings for any other reason, it wouldn't be, and that's racism in and of itself. Also, free speech should be a right reserved for every person on Earth.

"Go back to your own country" isn't an opinion, it's a demand. You may have a right to opinions but you have no right to demand others leave the country. Free speech isn't some all purpose get-out-of-jail-free-card - it's a right intended to let people actually speak out against atrocities. It was put in place so that, unlike in olden times, you can't be hanged just for saying something like "Our king's last ruling was unjust".

Stop being ignorent and learn what our actual rights are and why they're there. Free speech does not give you any right to shout racial bigotry in a public place, demanding that the people there leave the country purely because they have a different skin tone. Free speech used to be something good, but idiots like her abuse such a right and hide behind them like cowards.

You need to learn that words are just that. Words. She has no power to make them leave, the only thing that happened is they had to listen to her for the minutes it took for the train to reach the next stop.

I am well aware of what our actual rights are, you stupid people need to learn to read. I said that "Free speech should." Should. wanna take a guess what that means? It means that I don't care if what she did was legally protected or not, it should be.

Let "idiots like her" "abuse" the right to free speech. They. Are. Just. Words. They only have the power over you that you give them.

 

[Treblaine]

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Well, I'm not really a political person, but this here's typical behavior of someone who is. I said a child shouldn't be raised in that environment, and you make the sensational connection that that means orphaning him. Little thing called social workers? Parental classes? Hmm?

As for the immigrants thing, she spent five minutes looking at people of different skin colours and assuming they floated to this country on a door or something. If you listen to the people on the train, the vast majority of them had the local accent, and remarked that they were British citizens. A large deal of those people were likely in fact born in Britain, and had just as much right (if not more) to be there than her, because at least they were just going about their business and not causing a huge scene over nothing. That's to say nothing of the fact that she was aware of the fact that she was waking and frightening small children and still refused to shut up.

She was clearly unprovoked, and going out of her way to demonize everyone around her in such a way that's pretty clearly disturbing the peace. So stop trying to blow what I say up Fox News style.

I'm not disputing that she might have been racist.

I AM disputing that imprisonment and taking her children away is right thing to do just for this.

You shouldn't go to prison and have your children taken away for one case once breaching of the peace. It's just not the British way.

Those tram passengers are going to walk away and get on with their lives and mostly forget the inane racist rant, but her life will be ruined by imprisonment and losing her children. Do you have children? You at least have a mother, have you any idea how much it hurts to separate them and should only be done in the best interests of the child. The punishment does not fit the crime!

And sorry, I reasonably assumed you meant to take her children away from her when you said:

"she's got no business raising a child"

not:

"consult with social workers"

if her children are permanently removed from their mother, then they will be orphaned. They cannot immediately go into a foster home as I'm sure you've read in the news the social services are in crisis levels trying to find homes for all the children they have taken into care. OK, if what you said was just and idle or careless comment, fine, but don't be surprised if you are called out on it.

 

[ProtoChimp]

Gotta love English hospitality.

Nah, I'm just kidding. We still love you guys. We got the RCAF back to show you how much we love you.

Is that the video that was circulating around facebook, that link ain't working.

It's working for me. Try looking it up on Youtube.

Ok, but is that the girl in court?

 

[spartandude]

Let "idiots like her" "abuse" the right to free speech. They. Are. Just. Words. They only have the power over you that you give them.

considering thats the main way in which you communicate they have alot of words, they have the power to sway nations, convince people

words are VERY powerful, an example would be that you felt strongly enough to go through the effort to use WORDS to reply to another guy who had written WORDS to talk about WORDS

 

[Mayamellissa]

of course she's going to cry and plead not guilty: SHE IS A MORON!!!! She was stupid for voicing such a highly ignorant and racist tirade. If she had merely just thought it and then kept it to herself, she wouldn't be in this mess. Now she's not only being labeled as scum for the vocal tirade by the internet public now she's in a wider shitload of trouble. When you have those thoughts it's not good but we cannot help what you brain does. When you vocalize them that is crossing the line. And no amount of crying tears boo hoo hoo ya big baby is going to help you. Stupid woman.