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I'm not talking about chord progression, or time signatures, or even melodic phrasing, all of which are indeed quite varied in the first song you linked to - for whichever instrument is performing the solo that is. The rest of the ensemble in club jazz will play extremely repetitive and musically uninteresting 'backup' that features little to no variation at all, serving mostly to keep time and provide the underlying 'feel' that all those songs seem to have (that of club jazz) while the soloist does the interesting stuff.Oldmanwillow said:
I invite you to listen to the following:
When you contrast the Miles Davis pieces to the concerto, I think you'll see why I don't much care for club jazz - the songs go on and on, the beginning and ending are practically arbitrary, and the feel of the song never leaves that zone of "hipster cool" which all club jazz intentionally mires itself in.
I understand that most if not all of it was improvised. I understand that I'm probably listening to the work of extremely talented musicians, but I also understand that they are musically "running in place", playing technical but kind of soulless fare that doesn't convey any sort of message except "You are in a club, listening to jazz. Oooohhh yeeaaaah." There's no impact, no dizzying highs and abyssal lows, the only variance in dynamics to be found at all are with the instrument at the fore, though it doesn't actually matter since the rest of the group plays at the same volume level throughout no matter what the soloist does.
Give me the blues, give me big band jazz, give me anything that goes somewhere, but don't give me what you linked to because that never even contemplates leaving the club from start to finish.
Or more succinctly, don't give me anything that relies heavily on the string bass.
The only rap I like consistently comes from either the Beastie Boys or DMX. Beastie Boys because they make me laugh and DMX because he is a crazy mo-fo. I hate most rap because its just some guy singing about how great he is and how he is going to do sex to some chick $$ cash money hoz.
theres been a lot of saturation of the shitty kind of rap music... which i think is the problem.
personally, I do like T-Pain mostly because hes beginning to show that he can make fun of himself and might realize all he does is auto-tune.
As for the other mainstream stuff out there... well, I just stopped listening because I felt like I was hearing the same thing repeat for a few months then slightly change. I like listening to a lot of different stuff, always changing
personally, I do like T-Pain mostly because hes beginning to show that he can make fun of himself and might realize all he does is auto-tune.
As for the other mainstream stuff out there... well, I just stopped listening because I felt like I was hearing the same thing repeat for a few months then slightly change. I like listening to a lot of different stuff, always changing
1. It is annoying as hell (to me).
2. I don't consider it music. This is not because I don't like it, because I hate country and Christmas music too, but I still refer to those as music. Rap is a "beat" with a guy rhyming (really badly). And if anyone says that screaming in metal isn't music, well, you are right. Screaming isn't music, but the guitar, drums, and bass ARE music, so suck it.
3. I've been listening to metal and punk since I was 8, and rap is kind of the opposite, which is probably why I find it so terrible.
2. I don't consider it music. This is not because I don't like it, because I hate country and Christmas music too, but I still refer to those as music. Rap is a "beat" with a guy rhyming (really badly). And if anyone says that screaming in metal isn't music, well, you are right. Screaming isn't music, but the guitar, drums, and bass ARE music, so suck it.
3. I've been listening to metal and punk since I was 8, and rap is kind of the opposite, which is probably why I find it so terrible.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Oddly enough I find that a lot of douchebags I know are really into rap. One of them also made fun of me for saying that hitting women is bad. Both of which are presented in rap. Curious.JZmada said:
But to put in my own two cents it's not just the lyrics and their message. I was raised on rock and usually I tend to shy away from any genre of music that doesn't incorporate the use of a guitar. Plus I'm drawn to music that's inventive and I just don't get that vibe from rap. I'll take Streetlight Manifesto and Big D and the Kids' Table over Tupac and T-Pain any day of the week.
Plus I can't really get over the whole fact that there's usually no singing in the rap songs I have listened to. If music has lyrics then I want to listen to a talented vocalist, not some dude talking.
Basically, because it all sounds the same. And it is very ignant to women and encourages hatred towards police. Obviously these people have never seen an actual police officer. They just here to many stories about corrupt cops. There are a few songs that I like,but not many.
You just become my favorite person on this form. I cent believe you linked me my favorite piece for cello. Good tastes sir good tastes. while i do prefer playing/listening to big band and symphony orchestras i still respect jazz combo musicians. They can do quite a lot its just unfortunate that they can drag solos out for way too long. also believe it or not the good jazz combo is always reacting to each other. If you ever get a chance to play with you you will understand what i am saying there.Gildan Bladeborn said:
Also remember big band has about 20 people and a orchestra has about 100. while a combo has 5. A rhythm section of a combo is there to keep a stead beat and to react to the soloists ideas. The problem with listen to jazz on recordings is you dont pick up theses little nuances, and in a club you have to really be listening to pick everything.
Since we were talking about good pieces for cello have you ever herd the Brahms Double Concerto
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK318P6nxGE ]
Its one of my favorite pieces. hope you enjoy.
Also what big bands have you listened too? i am just curious.
Personally, I find Rap the most annoying, migraine causing, bullet-to-the-head trash that I've ever had the displeasure to hear. In all honesty, this 'music' frankly disappoints me as it is a massacre to civilized language. If these no-talent wanna-be 'Ganstas' make thousands, if not millions, off making up bad poetry set to worse beats that encourage acting like a petulant child and shooting up everyone and everything that so much spares them a passing glance on the street, then what's to say they may act like this in person? If so, then they're prime examples of where our society is headed... Jagged rock junction. I know that not all Rap is about guns, whores, and whores getting shot with guns, but most Hip=Hop/Rap (Yes, I do tend to classify them as basically the same thing) is fricking ludicrous, if not downright bad. Now, I'm going to contradict myself and what I just said and probably make myself look like a total hypocryte, but there is one, and precisely one, rap song that I like and that's 'Mockingbird' by Eminem. But in hindsight, the song is getting rather blah to me and has become pointless drivel in my ears. But despite that, I just personally dislike all forms of Rap.
Don't get me wrong, I've come across some decent rap in the past, but most of the material being peddled currently (be it rap or any other 'mainstream' genre) so thoroughly overwhelms the truly talented artists that I just generally don't bother looking. And honestly, Youtube has just made it worse, regardless of the genre; I'm not sifting through the eleventy-odd billion bits of sub-par artistry to find the few gems. I'm just not that much of a sadist.ChromeAlchemist said:
Besides, I've got almost every Tom Waits album ever made, so if I want something that resembles the spoken word, has a deep message, and that I can completely and unabashedly enjoy, I'll toss that on.
Then maybe you should change the rap you come in contact with. And I'm sure you personally don't know all forms of Rap, much less enough to make a judgement call about them. And like I've exampled before, the "[Genre] is partially/semi/mostly/completely about [simplified topic]" argument can be applied to anything.Space Cowgirl said:
In most genres of music(rap especially) I stick to one or two artists and say fuck the rest I've grown accustom to ___, and ____. end of discussion.
I know what you mean, especially when it comes to women who like some of these guys albums. they enjoy listening to a guy call girls bitches(and other degrading names) and brag about how many "bitches" they've got or fucked.JRCB said:
I like guitars, drums, and singing that isn't simply talking along to a synthesizer. I'm sure there's good rap out there, but I haven't found it, and I'm not interested enough to search for it. It just seems to me to be rather lazy, and the high profile rappers don't help the image. I'll stick with Tom Waits, NOMEANSNO, Neutral Milk Hotel, Leningrad, and The Dead Kennedys. You know, bands with a modicum of talent that don't need autotune, use real instruments, and don't feel like talking about screwing bitches, partying with the homies, busting peoples asses with their gats, drinking courvoisier, killing cops, being badasses, etc.
Indeed I had, though I never pass up an excuse to listen to it again.Oldmanwillow said:
As for your other question: Beats the hell out of me. Jazz isn't my genre of choice, I've heard a great deal of it over the years from various eras and styles, but that was mainly thanks to family members who love it - I was content just to listen, so I'm rather fuzzy when it comes to specifics.
Look, if a person is used to listening to and gets much enjoyment from a particular kind of music, whatever it is, they get their great musical moments from that music. You know those moments, when you're sitting in car, club, concert, or room, and the music makes you feel a certain way, and it's fucking awesome.
When that happens, why is that person going to go looking in a new direction for those moments? Only when their favorite kind begins to get stale, or if they are naturally neophiles.
Next time you are really bored with whatever music it is you normally like, take a look at a kind of music you think you hate. Ask around and find some that is done well, and listen to it a few times before you judge. After a while, you might find a musical moment in there, one that you never would have found if you didn't give it a chance.
I would not say that I was overly fond of rap as a whole, but I have heard particular songs I liked. Tho the best rap I ever heard was just a guy rapping unaccompanied on a local stage. I find that true of most music, however; it is at its best when you share the same air with the musicians.
When that happens, why is that person going to go looking in a new direction for those moments? Only when their favorite kind begins to get stale, or if they are naturally neophiles.
Next time you are really bored with whatever music it is you normally like, take a look at a kind of music you think you hate. Ask around and find some that is done well, and listen to it a few times before you judge. After a while, you might find a musical moment in there, one that you never would have found if you didn't give it a chance.
I would not say that I was overly fond of rap as a whole, but I have heard particular songs I liked. Tho the best rap I ever heard was just a guy rapping unaccompanied on a local stage. I find that true of most music, however; it is at its best when you share the same air with the musicians.