Average rap song:
"Hey Yo, yo, I just shot my *****, lets get high, yo-yo."
Not pleasant to listen to.
"Hey Yo, yo, I just shot my *****, lets get high, yo-yo."
Not pleasant to listen to.
Rap Music.
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I cant believe that you can say jazz doesnt do anywhere. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EZwX_7L_1s basically proves you dead wrong, and i can keep on going all day about songs jazz songs that go places.Gildan Bladeborn said:
If you listen to the chord progressions of jazz you realize that it never stays in the same key throughout an entire piece. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYK3sHjGlKo changes keys every 4 measures. this is a easier progression to play as well. For you to say jazz doesnt go anywhere proves your music ignorance.
OP I do not consider "Rap" music. Its has some of the qualities of music but not all of them so i cannot consider it as such. Its like a virus (because a virus isnt technically alive because it has most of the traits of a living organism but not all). Sure it has rhythm and lyrics, but where the the melody and the harmony. They are non existent. If you can judge rap on any type of artistic level it has to be poetry. How much rap is good poetry?
Lyrics aren't even necessary for music. I can point to some much good music that doesn't have a single word in it. All rap is glorified poetry, and should be judged as such.
Personally, I enjoy listening to it for the musical quality of the rhythm and the bass and the voices all mixing, but I personally simply enjoy more classic rock than I do rap.
I do however disagree with those who say that rap has no redeeming qualities and requires no skill. The mixing of the different rhythms and the actual rap and rhyming and just everything is actually truly difficult. I'm really into music, and I've tried to synth stuff such as they do in many rap and hip hop songs, and it's damn hard. As is writing any song. Given, it's much harder to write a song where there are actual pitches and notes, and not just the rhythm, but even that is pretty damn difficult...
I do however disagree with those who say that rap has no redeeming qualities and requires no skill. The mixing of the different rhythms and the actual rap and rhyming and just everything is actually truly difficult. I'm really into music, and I've tried to synth stuff such as they do in many rap and hip hop songs, and it's damn hard. As is writing any song. Given, it's much harder to write a song where there are actual pitches and notes, and not just the rhythm, but even that is pretty damn difficult...
I absolutely hate rap because for the most part, the lyrics are a slight meaningless, the 'music' isn't even remotely complex at all, and of course, the singer is very monotonous in vocal patterns.
However, I don't look around too much in the rap or hiphop genres. Though there hasn't been a single song from those genres that I could tolerate, let alone like... Besides Libera Me From Hell, of course. Everyone likes that song.
However, I don't look around too much in the rap or hiphop genres. Though there hasn't been a single song from those genres that I could tolerate, let alone like... Besides Libera Me From Hell, of course. Everyone likes that song.
I don't like any mainstream music for the most part. Underground rap is good, because it often houses real lyrical talent.
NOTE:This is my lazy answer, it's late and I'm tired. Deal with it.
NOTE:This is my lazy answer, it's late and I'm tired. Deal with it.
I'm pretty sure the difference is that Hip-hop is an entire cultural styling incorporating Break-dancing, beat boxing, DJing, rapping, graffiti and... I think that's it. Rap is just a component.x0ny said:
I love a lot of rap music, and hate a lot of it too.
I love...
A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul
Atmosphere
Biggie (he's just fun)
OutKast
Eminem (some, not all)
Lupe Fiasco
Saul Williams
of those the main one I really love is Atmosphere. I'm sure either none of you or very very few of you know who they are, but they are a very different kind of rap/hiphop and I really love it.
I don't like lil wayne (he rhymes 'me' with... 'me.' Why. Why would you do that. Not just once. All the time) or soulja boy, or most of the party rap/club stuff that gets a lot of radio play. I can totally understand why rap gets a bad reputation. However, I'm really happy to have found rap artists/groups that have a little bit more substance.
I love...
A Tribe Called Quest
De La Soul
Atmosphere
Biggie (he's just fun)
OutKast
Eminem (some, not all)
Lupe Fiasco
Saul Williams
of those the main one I really love is Atmosphere. I'm sure either none of you or very very few of you know who they are, but they are a very different kind of rap/hiphop and I really love it.
I don't like lil wayne (he rhymes 'me' with... 'me.' Why. Why would you do that. Not just once. All the time) or soulja boy, or most of the party rap/club stuff that gets a lot of radio play. I can totally understand why rap gets a bad reputation. However, I'm really happy to have found rap artists/groups that have a little bit more substance.
I don't hate rap as a whole, but as Yahtzee said "it's just that's always about guns, whores, and shooting guns with whores". but I still go by the proverb: treat music like candy, you gotta through away the rappers.
Yes, and that is the reason why I said "Or the style of music doesn't appeal to them, which is fine. But if it doesn't appeal then it doesn't give an excuse to hate."Kamaitachi said:
And I stand by this. It's common for lack of understanding of something to lead to resentment, but it's foolish in this respect (and well, in most).
Join the hip hop group we have here if you wish:Bailos said:Fair enough, I suppose this has gone on long enough. I'm grateful that for the most part, everyone here is at least respectful, and I think I'll frequent the boards more often. Thanks everyone for participating.
I'm glad I got some new artists to listen to
For anyone interested, try out Aesop Rock, Immortal Technique, Lupe Fiasco (Who is surprising still rather underground), Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Zion I, Mr. Lif, and Jedi Mindtricks.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/Mic-Club-The-Escapist-Hip-Hop-Group
I don't like it because of Rap's themes (or stereotypical themes), It just sounds like obnoxious noise to my ears. Sure it rhymes, but I don't want to listen to poetry to just rhythm, I want other elements of music in there as well. People who like Rap can listen to Rap, I don't care, but there's a lot of us who miss the glory days of Rock.
If you couldn't tell by the username, I'm learning to dj. Part of being a dj is learning electronic music history. Back when "rap" (hip-hop) first existed, it was much, much better. The lyrics were more creative, and the message was, well, not more positive, but wasn't about killing people, money, or degradation of women, as bubblegum rap (pop rap) is. It used to be about stringing strange and off-beat words together, making a narrative. That was lost in the early to mid 90s, thanks to West Coast rap becoming popular due to movies such as Friday and Boyz in the Hood, and the fact that the demographic with the most disposable income (white suburban teenagers), loved the "lifestyle" of the "gangstas", a grand contrast to their boring, normal, safe lives in white suburbia. Nowadays what made hip-hop and electro (yes children, old skool electro from the early to mid 80s) great is lost. Sub-genres like crunk (Little Jon) and snap (Soulja Boi) is mass produced for clubs and bars, and is so dumbed down for the masses it's ridiculous. Also funny: a great deal of pop rap is doing what old hip hop did: using a lot of synths and samples, almost like it had to take a step backwards to "re-invent" itself.
While some could say that "old rap was better", a lot of "old timers" to any genre of music can say that....my main focus is uplifting trance, and many people that have listened to all 20+ years of it, and many of them hate the current trance scene. I can appreciate the old trance as well as the new. It's very hard to say that for current hip-hop.
While some could say that "old rap was better", a lot of "old timers" to any genre of music can say that....my main focus is uplifting trance, and many people that have listened to all 20+ years of it, and many of them hate the current trance scene. I can appreciate the old trance as well as the new. It's very hard to say that for current hip-hop.
I'm in agreement here, I can also see why the genre gets a lot of flak, it's one of the most profitable genres in the industry, and thus in everyone's faces. But what people see, seem to think represents the genre. Lil Wayne's rhyming style pisses me off also.clairedelune said:
P.S. You should join the hip hop group we have also. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/Mic-Club-The-Escapist-Hip-Hop-Group
And Atmosphere?
See, this is why I miss Tupac. He rapped about the real meaningful stuff, not like the BS we have today.rayne117 said:
Always will be my favorite rapper.
I'm quite a big fan of rap music, but most of the recent hip-hop and rap is just terrible. I'm tired of people like Soulja Boy and Lil' Wayne pretending their screeching and silly dances are good, when there are legitimate rappers/rap groups out there that are absolutely great. Atmosphere, for example, is absolutely superb indie hip-hop.
So when asked why people hate rap, I can only respond with this: Soulja Boy.
So when asked why people hate rap, I can only respond with this: Soulja Boy.