Rape Bad, Murder Good?

[awesomemans]

so, what youre saying is, that rape is a healthy release of sexual frustration?

I now believe that everyone is fucked up.

Yeah, and murder is a healthy release of straight up frustration.

Well:

Rape usually tortures someone mentally afterwards, Not too mention the possibility of pregnancy, etc.

Murder tends too affect other people, not really the victim.

I can understand your point, Unfortunately sex has always been a more taboo subject than murder.

Yeah, murder doesn't affect the victim. They're just dead. I'd much rather take it up the butt than die.

I sure would like to be able to rape people in Saints Row 3.

 

[Nurb]

Because simulated murder is an extension of the natural and healthy phenomenon; competition. It's unfortunately human.

Rape is an extension of neither lust, love or sexual frustration, it's an expression of one-sided power. It's inherently inhuman.

As such, Rape is worse.

what are you talking about? rape fantasy is normal (to a degree). A huge amount of women have rape fantasies... I have a female friend that has one involving being kidnapped raped by Jason Vorhees from the recent movie, and men have fantasies of owning a harem or as some warrior that fights a chick and forcefully screws her (YES, I've seen discussion of Age of Conan slash).

 

[quiet_samurai]

I think in modern society, especially America, rape is seen as worse. I think they are both equally abhorrant. However in a game, as in make believe, as in not real, I would be all over a serial killer game. Think about it, develop your own MO or calling card, target certain people at your choosing. It would be fun and you know it.

 

[hxcfreak]

cause like normal people they should go seal clubbing

 

[LewsTherin]

No. Rape isn't good. Murder isn't good. Both are equally bad. But, dead people don't generally react the same as a raped person and therefore, murder is more "valid" in our entertainment; rape is not wildly broadcast, be it through movies or videogames. This leads the the false assumption that murder is more acceptable than rape overall.

 

[Naeo]

Because the western society thinks that the natural functions (and depending who you're talking to/with/at, "God-given" is 100% applicable as well) are totally shameful and should be hidden at all times. But they have no issue with the comparatively unnatural (and/or non God-given) desire to/act of killing another human.

 

[Yassen]

An articule done here on the Escapist explained this issue. It's because murder can be justified in some circumstances. When you're in a war, when you're toppling a drug-lord, when you're simply defending yourself.

But rape can never be justified. There is no reason rape can be used for anything else except personal satisfaction at someone else's expense. That's why rape should never be glorified in videogames, books, movies or any other medium.

Of course, you could argue that there are videogames that kill for the sake of killing, like Madworld or manhunt, but I think that's just because killing in videogames has become so accepted that how we execute those kills has become a challenge and fun mission in of itself. But don't believe those dipshits that say kids can't tell the difference between someone dying on the screen and death in real life. If they couldn't they would have caused some violence with or without videogames regardless.

 

[sumanoskae]

Rape is almost never justifiable, and the only time it could ever be justified would be in a highly unusual and sinister well planed out by a crazy super villain kind of way, plus rape is perceived as degrading. The act of killing on the other hand is a grey action, its not all that hard to imagine a situation in which killing someone is the morally correct action, also murder is much easier to understand. One is cruel and unusual and the other is sometimes the only option
Other then that however, you make a good point. This is one of the reasons why im against censorship of all kinds, because different people are offended by different things, any kind of censorship on a global scale is favoritism, its either all okay or none of it is okay. Well that and I think the whole *kid plays GTA and instantly loses all regard for human life* thing is bullshit

 

[Issalius]

Well:
Murder tends too affect other people, not really the victim.

not really the victim... i mean aren't they dead?

 

[captainwalrus]

Murder is seen as an acceptable mean to an acceptable end (ex killing a terrorist to save innocent lives)
Rape is rarely seen as an acceptable mean to anything (ex raping a terrorist...to..save innocent lives??)

 

[Darkin20]

The dead don't speak up much.

 

[Skeleon]

(ex raping a terrorist...to..save innocent lives??)

He/she might run home, crying...?

We're numbed down towards murder because it's being presented to us, constantly.
Rape is not that "normal" to us. I guess that's why rape games aren't a big deal in Japan, they are a lot more open about their sexual fantasies.
This also affects our view on the deed itself, I guess.
There's also a certain prevalence of the idea that killing for revenge (i.e. vigilantism) is okay somehow. Probably because of all those cool anti-heroes we know from movies and comics.
Doesn't make that right, either. We're just more used to it and the positive way it portrays this criminal act than rape, cannibalism or whatever.

Personally, I'd say murder is worse because it destroys any chance for a person's life.
While rape may lead to a dysfunctional life/suicide, rape victims at least still have the possibility to return to normality. Some day.

 

[Ghostkai]

Because simulated murder is an extension of the natural and healthy phenomenon; competition. It's unfortunately human.

Rape is an extension of neither lust, love or sexual frustration, it's an expression of one-sided power. It's inherently inhuman.

As such, Rape is worse.

Ahh, the the Rose in a topic of Thorns. Well said.

 

[Dooly95]

An articule done here on the Escapist explained this issue. It's because murder can be justified in some circumstances. When you're in a war, when you're toppling a drug-lord, when you're simply defending yourself.

Defending yourself wouldn't count as murder; neither would killings in a war.

I see no justifiable reason on murder - premeditated deliberation done with malice.


Also; means justify the end? I'm not so sure on that either.

 

[Ignignoct]

With the current whiners in the US about those rape games out in Japan. It begs the question... I understand rape is bad but isn't murder worse? How many games have the user killing lots of human civilians and all it gets is a high age rating, but if a game actually has the user have sexual contact with the opposite sex (either willing or not) and everyone screams bloody murder. I am pretty sure that almost everyone over a certain age has actually had sex so how come everyone is freaking out when it is shown in a game at even the most basic level?

If games are supposed to be an escape, why can't people escape their sexual frustration but can escape their killing spree frustration?

Easy to kill people for justice after labeling the other human as an enemy combatant or subhuman animal.

Can't think of when you could justifiably rape someone.

Give us an example of when you're making the world a better place with rape.

 

[dontworryaboutit]

With the current whiners in the US about those rape games out in Japan. It begs the question... I understand rape is bad but isn't murder worse?

No, no, no.

You obviously just don't understand.

At least a rape victim has the potential to function normally after the rape. The victim of murder......not so much.

'Function normally' and 'Recover' are two different terms.

This is also true.
I know a few people who've managed to get over it, though there are certain things they have a strong aversion to (some of which don't make any sense to the casual observer,) but then there are the others, who might as well be dead, 'cause they're sure as hell not living.

Once again, we agree fully on the subject. My girlfriend was raped about two years ago. She's tried to kill herself about 7 times since and is currently in a mental hospital on a 1 on 1 system for an undetermined amount of time.

"Thank god she was only raped..."