Religious Extremist Ruining my School

[PirateKing]

I doubt one woman will change the policy of the entire HS. Maybe if there was a bigger lobbying group.

Never doubt the influential power of idiots.

OT: Pee on the fire. Seriously. Do not give her an inch. Don't give her any unnecessary publicity and destroy her argument before people start jumping on the hate wagon. Let's win one for logic, guys.

 

[riskroWe]

Don't negotiate or argue. People like this do not respond to logic.
You can either ignore her until she goes away, or MOLOTOV HER FUCKING HOUSE!!
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Thats a silly argument, if you ignore these people their arguments can grow to a point where rationality becomes the minority view.

Always challenge irrationality, especially when based in dogma.

That's the thing though, most people like to think they hold reasonable positions. When irrationality becomes commonplace, you can argue with it. But when irrationality persists despite not being a majority opinion anymore, you are never getting through to them. The only assertive thing you can do is MOLOTOV HER FUCKING HOUSE!!
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[asinann]

Yeah, but people tend to read: 'no god shall be worshipped other than me' first.

That's because "love thy neighbor" isn't one of the ten commandments while the whole "no god before me" thing is.

 

[Marcus Dubious]

I don't mind if someone practises a religion in their own time; it's their life, and they can do what they like.
But you should not force your beliefs onto someone else just because you THINK (not know) that you are right.

If only the dogmatic accepted that, the trouble is, their belief tell them to "spread the word".

If they will insist on thrusting their belief on me, I will use Newtonian physics and push back with at least as much force.

 

[Kajin]

You know what I'd do? I'd alert the local mental hospital and lead them to her house wearing the disguise of a christian preacher. When we got there I'd have the doctors restrain her, and while she's being dragged out the door to the vehicle that will take her to the insane asylum I would explain to her that I had reason to believe she was possessed by the devil who was whispering instructions into her ear under the guise of "God's Word."

I'm cruel like that.

I also have reason to believe that I will in fact burn in hell.

 

[joystickjunki3]

People like her are holding back humanity's progress.

Agreed. But I'd like to add that this is the sort of quote that can go rampant. Many people take it as though to mean that religion itself destroys humanity's ability to progress. I disagree. I think it is the extremists who prevent progression. On either side (super-atheists or super-theists).

Not that you were saying that religion in and of itself is bad. If you were, then that's fine and I will debate the issue; but I don't want to assume that you do have a problem w/ religion and not just the retards.

 

[FallenJellyDoughnut]

Clense her in the holy fire in which the comic books lay and the computers fry. - Henry 21:6 (In my personal bible)

I have to go with the "High powered sniper rifle to the head* option.

 

[Marcus Dubious]

People like her are holding back humanity's progress.

Agreed. But I'd like to add that this is the sort of quote that can go rampant. Many people take it as though to mean that religion itself destroys humanity's ability to progress. I disagree. I think it is the extremists who prevent progression. On either side (super-atheists or super-theists).

Not that you were saying that religion in and of itself is bad. If you were, then that's fine and I will debate the issue; but I don't want to assume that you do have a problem w/ religion and not just the retards.

There is nothing wrong with belief as an intrinsic state of mind.
We all share the morality structures of religion, whether atheist or believer.
The loving community that belief brings can and does make so many people?s lives fulfilled.
I could never be against that. Happiness and contentment is something I would never take from anyone.

All I ever ask is don?t try and change my perceptions.

 

[jboking]

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I had a similar problem in high school involving a father who was, well, an extremist. The difference between our cases was that mine took place at a PTA meeting. The only reason I and numerous other students were there was because we were being honored as the best debaters/thespians/singers/etc. of the state. They recognized us as being generally awesome at the beginning of the meeting, but many of us stayed afterwords just to be polite. They got on the topic of particular books and some manga's we had in our library. One man got up and said they were from the devil and should be removed. One of the guys who was with me being honored for debate stood up and responded calmly with,

"I'm sorry sir, but some of us that actually go to that school are atheists. Even more of us have a religion, but simply are not christian. While I can understand your wish to protect your child, you are also forcing your choices upon us. We will always provide for your child to make the right choice according to his religion, whether he does or not is entirely up to how you raised him. So how did you raise him sir?"

The man got flustered and responded with something to the nature of "As a good christian."

my debate partner finished with, "Well then there is no problem here is there?" and sat back down. Our debate team got extra funding the next year.

Moral -
The only way to deal with these kind of people is to use well grounded logic. If they don't listen to that, then discredit them by using logic. Oh and remember to keep your cool or else everything you worked for will have been for naught.

 

[inflamessoilwork]

Take her and all people like her, and attempt to hit them with a bus. They should be fine, God will protect them

 

[Marcus Dubious]

Don't negotiate or argue. People like this do not respond to logic.
You can either ignore her until she goes away, or MOLOTOV HER FUCKING HOUSE!!
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Thats a silly argument, if you ignore these people their arguments can grow to a point where rationality becomes the minority view.

Always challenge irrationality, especially when based in dogma.

That's the thing though, most people like to think they hold reasonable positions. When irrationality becomes commonplace, you can argue with it. But when irrationality persists despite not being a majority opinion anymore, you are never getting through to them. The only assertive thing you can do is MOLOTOV HER FUCKING HOUSE!!
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You may never get through to them,. But they aren't the ones you argue too, the ones that listen are the undecided masses, without descent they have only one opinion or opinion, they will have no choice but dogmatic indoctrination.

Always speak out, and stop the religious stealing the minds of the undecided.

 

[Kontar]

I had the same thing happen to my highschool, back when I went to highschool, eventually it all blew over and nothing changed. Although people were allowed to sell bibles outside our school and other stuff like that (about a block or two away so it wasn't on school property). Believe me I think it was horse-shit, but oh well, I guess people have the right to believe in whatever they want no matter how stupid I think it is.

As a plus I did learn some very creative ways of dealing with religious people trying to sell me shit, one includes confessing that I am indeed a Polytheist and believe the Greek pantheon to be true. Another one that is fun is to try and make them see the flaws in all the major stories they tell from the bible (I had gone to church for 7 years when I was a child, I have heard all the so called "proofs of god" and I can refute almost all of them). Hmmm, that reminds me, where are my regular jehovah's witnesses that visit my neighborhood.

 

[jamesworkshop]

I say you write to the papers and bluntly point out she is inciting religious and ethnic hatred with her hate speach.

After all, the satanists must be terribly offended =P

I would be more offended if she didn't sound so much of an idiot

This is a Satanist

This is not a Satanist

Who can tell the difference

 

[JaredXE]

I can't offer anything more than has been said in the comments above me, but yeah, find out if this crazy lady has any power to implement those changes and if she does, do something proactive. I liked the idea of calling in the ACLU and/or the Pastafarians as a nuclear option, since that'll stop a lot of this shit in it's tracks and I believe extremism should only be met with more extremism.

Belief is different from thinking. You can change thoughts, you can't change someone's belief because they already follow it without proof......they're nuts. So rational argument is out of the question towards her, but should always be on the table to your principal or school board.



Oh yeah and: Fucking Evangelical Christians, they just can't let things lay. Nooooo, they have to force their views on others because their interpretation of that ancient piece of fiction tells them to spread the word in any way possible. Never mind the fact that Jesus said (through gospels written a couple centuries after he died) that those who openly show their faith, those that wear their religion on their sleeve for the world to see are not worthy of entering heaven, and that your faith and worship should be a private thing between you and god.

It always impresses me how many people who claim to be christians never read the bible, or if they do, never pay attention to the parts that are inconvenient.

 

[samsonguy920]

No, no no. She should simply tell the school not to allow her son access to it. She has absolutely NO right to push her religion and opinions on everyone else. Just because she is deluded does not mean the whole school must suffer. God, if I had gone to High School in America I would have gone INSANE!

Y'know what we should do? We should form a "Christian" church with views and beliefs the EXACT opposite(except for basic theological stuff, like God and Jesus) of most churches, and try and push our views on them. We could lobby, protest, and preach hate just like they do, and maybe they will start to see what they are doing.

The funny thing is her son does read that stuff and his mom doesn't know. I know her son cause he's popular and he tries to not let this bring him down. He's a pretty happy buy but I haven't gotten to know him.

I'm not Christian but isn't there something about 'loving thy neighbour' and respecting everyone regardless of background or belief?

Read up on the crusades and spanish inquisition. Most of the conquerors of the new world were doing it for God. On the other hand, it isn't the only religion guilty of genocide.
Your best bet is document what this lady is trying to do, and then send a detailed letter to the ACLU. This is the kind of thing they drool over, and I am sure they would love some good publicity for a change. You might also see if she is even being listened to. Have a chat with the principal and your teachers. If they think she is from Lollypop Land, then you have no worries.

 

[Marcus Dubious]

The convenience of Christian morality.
It always strikes me as unusual how the more fanatical the dogma, the more introspective the interpretation of biblical morality becomes, Dogmatic morality always seems to fit perfectly with the believers own personal morality however normal or extreme that may be.

All other contrary biblical moralities are somehow dismissed as not being relevant.

 

[Biosophilogical]

THE ONE WEAKNESS OF THE FANATICALLY RELIGIOUS RESIDES BELOW

Logic. Go talk to the crazy ***** and calmly and methodically tear down her entire argument. If she screams and rants then tell her that anger is not condoned by her God (make sure to include the word 'her' as it implies that there are other God(s) of equal importance which goes against her monotheistic approach). Also tell her that whenever she goes to church and worships God, that she is worshipping a false God as by her beliefs, God is beyond our logic and yet the fact that humans (priests) can somehow know the mind of God (main reference being that if you confess God forgives, if you don't you go to hell (as this approach implies that his logic is, in fact, quite simple to understand)).

IN SUMMARY: Use logic against her to destroy her entire argument but do it calmly and rationally. Also make sure to, in a semi-subtle way, imply that her beliefs are stupid (the key is to say it politely and almost as a side comment so that it is harder to respond to because she will have to figure out what was meant first and by that time you are aleady destroying the next part of her argument)

 

[Pigeon_Grenade]

i Believe in a Persons Right To Believe, if She Believes in god, go her. However i dont think its Right For her to try and Shove her Beliefs down everyones throat, is this a Public High school or a Catholic one?

if its a Public, that Means there Are Other Peoples Of Other Faiths going there, and she is a Intolerant Troll wanting everyone to think and believe what She wants, forcing ones faith on another is my number One thing i dislike in the world.

 

[riskroWe]

That's the thing though, most people like to think they hold reasonable positions. When irrationality becomes commonplace, you can argue with it. But when irrationality persists despite not being a majority opinion anymore, you are never getting through to them. The only assertive thing you can do is MOLOTOV HER FUCKING HOUSE!!
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You may never get through to them,. But they aren't the ones you argue too, the ones that listen are the undecided masses, without descent they have only one opinion or opinion, they will have no choice but dogmatic indoctrination.

Always speak out, and stop the religious stealing the minds of the undecided.

There are enough arguments against religion out there today, adding your self-righteous two cents (that in all likelihood are not original in the slightest) isn't going to change a damn thing.

The people to be convinced in this case are not the 'undecided masses', but the heads of the school. And if they don't immediately recognise that this woman is a nutter, then irrationality is clearly NOT a minority view and you've got the all clear to remind them what the facts are.

I assume though, that the school board will recognise the absurdity and refuse to give in. So you can either ignore this ***** until she gets shot down and shuts up, or satisfy your anger and MOLOTOV HER FUCKING HOUSE!!
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