"RL girls are 3D pig disgusting"

[WorriedSandwich]

Oh man, two worlds just crossed over. I wonder what the thread where this thread was linked looks like, but I'm imagening some 'parallel universe' version of this where people mock 3d girls instead.

 

[Chemical Alia]

And you might be wise to think about the fact that for women to go around having sex with dozens of men, there need to be men out there willing to have sex with random women as well.
Maybe that's not you, but these men sure as hell exist and these men are the ones giving the diseases to the women you so easily dismiss as "whores and deviants".

It must be maddening to believe that people with such seemingly low standards will have sex with literally everybody. (But him!)

 

[Therumancer]

Something which has been amusing me lately. Guys saying that they prefer 2D girls to their 3D counterparts. Now I'm not having a go, I don't mind that you feel that way, I just want to know why some people consider real life girls pig disgusting. Of course you have to deal with all the smells and fluids of a real girl no matter how much perfume they use, whereas it's completely optional with 2D girls whether or not you want to imagine they have any body fluids or unpleasant smells.

Maybe part of the problem is holding the ideal girl on a pedestal as a completely sanitary, angelic creature who does not poop, does not breathe, does not have any of the human bodily functions that a male has. Are there any more reasons?

My immediate question would be "where did you hear this?" since really, I've never run into it other than as some dark humor now and again.

THAT said, there are two (almost 3) points to consider:

#1: Perhaps most importantly, someone who would use the term "3d Pig Disgusting" and be playing enough dating sim games to express such an opinion is going to be a huge nerd to begin with. When you get down to it, most nerds don't like real people, with very rare exceptions, and prefer the seperation a computer presents. This is going to apply to relationships (or lack thereof) with the other gender as well.

Now, before anyone starts saying "wait, I'm a nerd and I don't resemble that", understand that to be a nerd by definition you have to be socially mal-adjusted, a misfit to the rest of society, a bloody outcast. If you don't resemble that, your NOT a real nerd, even if you have an interest in some things nerds like (even to an extreme).

Porn, virtual models, etc... represent a degree of social seperation. Sort of like how a nerd might be a social paragon in his favorite MMO, but not want to deal with anyone IRL for any reason if they can avoid it.


#2: It's not a popular point of view, but there is probably some connection to the dark side of women's equality if you see such sentiments being conveyed by those who don't fit into the nerd catagory.

Like it or not things work best for people when someone is clearly in charge, a role typically held by men in the traditional family structure. Over the last century the promotion of equality and idea of domestic partnership has lead to a lot of fights within relationships when both parties disagree, and things getting increasingly nastier as time has gone on and both men and women have expectations of getting what they want. Something that has been leading to unprecedented numbers of domestic disputes (many of which are unreported) and increasingly draconian enforcement of the law in domestic squabbles, including things like the need to arrest both the man and the woman in an attempt to keep order.

In short, any kind of serious relationship has become a serious pain in the arse for both people involved. While there has always been talk about men not wanting to make a committment, increasingly your seeing men wanting to pretty much remain bachelor's forever so as not to have to deal with this. Basically despite the streotype of guys being ruled by what's between their legs, a lot of guys are coming to the realization even when young that the urgency fades, and being raised in enviroments where couples wind up in dysfunctional duels (maybe even their own parets) trying to assert their will on each other, they just don't want anything to do with it. Women still seem to idealize human relationships and partnerships, men on the other hand are being driven away from it even further than before.

While I haven't heard the computer related comments (which makes me think hard-core nerd) I *HAVE* heard increasing numbers of guys saying they plan to die single, and without a family, and when asked why they can pretty much point a finger at tons of other couples that started out beautifully and in love and then fell into abject misery (beyond the usual sitcom-type jokes). Most of it all coming down to both partners wanting to do something differant, not being willing to give up what's important to them, leading to a constant tug of war over everything. When the buck doesn't stop somewhere, and neither acknowleges the other as the primary desician maker, it's constant fight, fight, fight.

As far as the entire "pig nasty" thing goes, I tend to think it has less to do with the general bodily functions (even periods) as much as the tendency for women to settle once they get hitched. We've all seen plenty of cases where some girl gets married, and goes from being pretty to some utter beast inside of a few years, leading to even those outside the relationship to go "OMG, WTF happened to her", it happens to guys as well, but it's less noticible. There does seem to be an expectation by a lot of women that once they land a guy they can pretty much just let themselves go.... and with the other stress that's just too much.

Nothing I've said here hasn't been said by others (perhaps more diplomatically) in other relationship advice. Indeed it's also a big part of the driving force behind those who feel the traditional "American Family" is in danger since each generation less and less people, especially men, want to get together and have families.

I also think that a lot of women, especially those who are attractive, tend to think of men as big, dumb, beasts that can be dragged around by their sex drive. A stereotype that Hollywood does very little to discourage. As a result I think there is a lot of resentment when it doesn't happen, and guys look at things rationally, especially for the long term.


Such are my thoughts. What you've run into is pretty much guys rather bluntly saying they have no real desire for a serious relationship.

Also, I think there is an issue with the fact that equality has made girls kind of nasty to deal with at times. There seems to be a lot of pent up gender aggression (unlike on TV and such) and it comes out subtly. Deserved or not, nobody wants to deal with it. The thing is the fictional personalities and such generally do away with most of that crap. This is not to say most "faux women" in those games are meek, submissive, etc... quite the opposite, but in general you don't see the same societal baggage. Reality can never match utopian fantasy, but comparisons are inevitable. Comparing real girls to those from dating sims, is no differant than a girl comparing real guys to the guys from romance novels. No girl is a RL dating sim, the same way no guy is one of Fabio's in-book personas (not even Fabio IRL).

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

Ok, I'll admit there's a certain appeal to 2D girls, at least for oggling anyway and maybe doing other things... but to prefer them over the real thing??? What? That's just crazy.

Also:

This seems to apply.

I know you may have already had this explained to you, but liking either of those will not help as they are both effectively fictional and you have an equal chance of forming a relationship with them.

OT- As far as pornography is concerned, I don't care. I may entertain myself more to 2D than 3D, but I still don't really prefer one over the other. That being said, neither measures up to an actual relationship for me. I suppose some people may not want that, and such is their right.

 

[Giftfromme]

AHAHAHAH @ all the scrubs in this thread. Please don't stop posting as this amuses me to read such lolzy things

 

[EclipseoftheDarkSun]

Well, dictatorships work fine too as long as the bullets keep being supplied and enough people go along with those in power. Same thing with a 'one person in charge' relationship. As soon as enough people have a taste of freedom, democracy or a more equal relationship needs to be transitioned to.

 

[Hjalmar Fryklund]

Nope. Should I look into it?

If you want to avoid potentially ruining your day, no. But if you decide to check it out anyway, you might run into places like Ask Dr. Nerdlove where the people who comment on the articles may (and frequently do) spout utter rubbish such as how women deny men sex because it supposedly increases its value and make women more desirable, as if sex is some kind of currency that can gain or lose its value based on how many times it is "handed out." This among other kinds of paranoid, misogynistic drivel.

But to get to the actual point (which I forgot to make earlier, sorry about that), a lot of what that guy said is eerily similar to what some of these "loveshies" (as they like to call themselves) say about women and sex with deadly seriousness. Though it should be noted that loveshies typically focus "3D women" as opposed to 2D ones.

Sorry if this isn't entirely coherent, real late here, need to go to bed, good night!

 

[hazabaza1]

Ok, I'll admit there's a certain appeal to 2D girls, at least for oggling anyway and maybe doing other things... but to prefer them over the real thing??? What? That's just crazy.

Also:

This seems to apply.

I know you may have already had this explained to you, but liking either of those will not help as they are both effectively fictional and you have an equal chance of forming a relationship with them.

What?
No, that's wrong. The one on the left is a picture of a real woman. In cosplay, yes, but she still exists. She can still have sex or enter relationships just as much as anyone else.
It may not be likely that anyone here would but does that doesn't make her fictional.
Angelina Jolie isn't fictional, despite nobody here ever getting to bone her.

This seems fairly simple logic to me. You might have to explain your reasoning just a little bit here, mate.

 

[CorruptCor3]

Whaaaaaaaaaaat is wrong with this world

 

[EclipseoftheDarkSun]

Perhaps he was referring to that girl in specific.. although that wouldn't make much sense..

 

[shrekfan246]

Whaaaaaaaaaaat is wrong with this world

Thank you, Tommy, for your very eloquent and succinct explanation of this thread.

I prefer real women. The more real they are, the more I like them, as a matter of fact.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Ok, I'll admit there's a certain appeal to 2D girls, at least for oggling anyway and maybe doing other things... but to prefer them over the real thing??? What? That's just crazy.

Also:

This seems to apply.

I know you may have already had this explained to you, but liking either of those will not help as they are both effectively fictional and you have an equal chance of forming a relationship with them.

Wait... what? What the hell are you talking about. One is a fictional character, the other is a real girl cosplaying as a fictional character. Obviously the later is better because she's real. Man I didn't think it was really that complex a concept. This is not astral physics or string theory.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

Ok, I'll admit there's a certain appeal to 2D girls, at least for oggling anyway and maybe doing other things... but to prefer them over the real thing??? What? That's just crazy.

Also:

This seems to apply.

I know you may have already had this explained to you, but liking either of those will not help as they are both effectively fictional and you have an equal chance of forming a relationship with them.

Wait... what? What the hell are you talking about. One is a fictional character, the other is a real girl cosplaying as a fictional character. Obviously the later is better because she's real. Man I didn't think it was really that complex a concept. This is not astral physics or string theory.

Note the effectively. She is acting. She is dressed up. I can love her in the same sense I can love Yoko, which is to say not at all. Now her as an actual person, sure, but that is not what anyone is attracted to when they see that. Porn is acting. It is almost never real. And taking pleasure in it does not in any way make you better than the person who prefers the 2D Yoko. They are both "fake." Both are inhuman in my eyes. If I were to meet the actual person, that would certainly change things. Then I could apreciate them for who they are. I cannot do that through your picture.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Ok, I'll admit there's a certain appeal to 2D girls, at least for oggling anyway and maybe doing other things... but to prefer them over the real thing??? What? That's just crazy.

Also:

This seems to apply.

I know you may have already had this explained to you, but liking either of those will not help as they are both effectively fictional and you have an equal chance of forming a relationship with them.

Wait... what? What the hell are you talking about. One is a fictional character, the other is a real girl cosplaying as a fictional character. Obviously the later is better because she's real. Man I didn't think it was really that complex a concept. This is not astral physics or string theory.

Note the effectively. She is acting. She is dressed up. I can love her in the same sense I can love Yoko, which is to say not at all. Now her as an actual person, sure, but that is not what anyone is attracted to when they see that. Porn is acting. It is almost never real. And taking pleasure in it does not in any way make you better than the person who prefers the 2D Yoko. They are both "fake." Both are inhuman in my eyes. If I were to meet the actual person, that would certainly change things. Then I could apreciate them for who they are. I cannot do that through your picture.

You're problem is, as was the last person I had to explain this to, is the fact that you're focusing on the fact that it's a picture and instead of the the fact the it's a real person vs a not real person. You're focusing on the wrong aspects of the picture and are thus missing the point completely.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

Ok, I'll admit there's a certain appeal to 2D girls, at least for oggling anyway and maybe doing other things... but to prefer them over the real thing??? What? That's just crazy.

Also:

This seems to apply.

I know you may have already had this explained to you, but liking either of those will not help as they are both effectively fictional and you have an equal chance of forming a relationship with them.

What?
No, that's wrong. The one on the left is a picture of a real woman. In cosplay, yes, but she still exists. She can still have sex or enter relationships just as much as anyone else.
It may not be likely that anyone here would but does that doesn't make her fictional.
Angelina Jolie isn't fictional, despite nobody here ever getting to bone her.

This seems fairly simple logic to me. You might have to explain your reasoning just a little bit here, mate.

Angelina Jolie is not actually Lara Croft. She is not actually any character she has played. This woman is not Yoko. It is fictional, a lie, a poor reflection in a mirror. False as false can be, no different from the other image. Women do not actually have massive orgies with delivery men to avoid paying bills. Delivery men are not all actually ridiculously well endowed. Showing a woman your large penis will likely not cause her to enter a state of shock and awe.
I do not equate the two because I cannot seperate fantasy from reality. Quite the opposite in fact, I completely seperate all of such fantasies from reality. I treat them all just as what they are, preposterous sexual fantasies with little to no bearing upon reality.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

Ok, I'll admit there's a certain appeal to 2D girls, at least for oggling anyway and maybe doing other things... but to prefer them over the real thing??? What? That's just crazy.

Also:

This seems to apply.

I know you may have already had this explained to you, but liking either of those will not help as they are both effectively fictional and you have an equal chance of forming a relationship with them.

Wait... what? What the hell are you talking about. One is a fictional character, the other is a real girl cosplaying as a fictional character. Obviously the later is better because she's real. Man I didn't think it was really that complex a concept. This is not astral physics or string theory.

Note the effectively. She is acting. She is dressed up. I can love her in the same sense I can love Yoko, which is to say not at all. Now her as an actual person, sure, but that is not what anyone is attracted to when they see that. Porn is acting. It is almost never real. And taking pleasure in it does not in any way make you better than the person who prefers the 2D Yoko. They are both "fake." Both are inhuman in my eyes. If I were to meet the actual person, that would certainly change things. Then I could apreciate them for who they are. I cannot do that through your picture.

You're problem is, as was the last person I had to explain this to, is the fact that you're focusing on the fact that it's a picture and instead of the the fact the it's a real person vs a not real person. You're focusing on the wrong aspects of the picture and are thus missing the point completely.

No, I'm focusing on the fact that either way it is just a sexual fantasy with next to no bearing upon reality.

 

[hazabaza1]

Ok, I'll admit there's a certain appeal to 2D girls, at least for oggling anyway and maybe doing other things... but to prefer them over the real thing??? What? That's just crazy.

Also:

This seems to apply.

I know you may have already had this explained to you, but liking either of those will not help as they are both effectively fictional and you have an equal chance of forming a relationship with them.

What?
No, that's wrong. The one on the left is a picture of a real woman. In cosplay, yes, but she still exists. She can still have sex or enter relationships just as much as anyone else.
It may not be likely that anyone here would but does that doesn't make her fictional.
Angelina Jolie isn't fictional, despite nobody here ever getting to bone her.

This seems fairly simple logic to me. You might have to explain your reasoning just a little bit here, mate.

Angelina Jolie is not actually Lara Croft. She is not actually any character she has played. This woman is not Yoko. It is fictional, a lie, a poor reflection in a mirror. False as false can be, no different from the other image. Women do not actually have massive orgies with delivery men to avoid paying bills. Delivery men are not all actually ridiculously well endowed. Showing a woman your large penis will likely not cause her to enter a state of shock and awe.
I do not equate the two because I cannot seperate fantasy from reality. Quite the opposite in fact, I completely seperate all of such fantasies from reality. I treat them all just as what they are, preposterous sexual fantasies with little to no bearing upon reality.

Alright, and nobody is saying that she's Yoko. She's a woman dressed up as Yoko, but same as anyone else, remove the clothes and I'll fuck their brains out she's just a regular person. A real person. Dressing up doesn't stop someone being 'real', it just means that they've dressed up.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Ok, I'll admit there's a certain appeal to 2D girls, at least for oggling anyway and maybe doing other things... but to prefer them over the real thing??? What? That's just crazy.

Also:

This seems to apply.

I know you may have already had this explained to you, but liking either of those will not help as they are both effectively fictional and you have an equal chance of forming a relationship with them.

Wait... what? What the hell are you talking about. One is a fictional character, the other is a real girl cosplaying as a fictional character. Obviously the later is better because she's real. Man I didn't think it was really that complex a concept. This is not astral physics or string theory.

Note the effectively. She is acting. She is dressed up. I can love her in the same sense I can love Yoko, which is to say not at all. Now her as an actual person, sure, but that is not what anyone is attracted to when they see that. Porn is acting. It is almost never real. And taking pleasure in it does not in any way make you better than the person who prefers the 2D Yoko. They are both "fake." Both are inhuman in my eyes. If I were to meet the actual person, that would certainly change things. Then I could apreciate them for who they are. I cannot do that through your picture.

You're problem is, as was the last person I had to explain this to, is the fact that you're focusing on the fact that it's a picture and instead of the the fact the it's a real person vs a not real person. You're focusing on the wrong aspects of the picture and are thus missing the point completely.

No, I'm focusing on the fact that either way it is just a sexual fantasy with next to no bearing upon reality.

No it isn't. You could get to know the person behind the costume if you put the effort in. No amount of effort is going to get you anywhere with the actual Yoko (or any other fictional character).

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

Ok, I'll admit there's a certain appeal to 2D girls, at least for oggling anyway and maybe doing other things... but to prefer them over the real thing??? What? That's just crazy.

Also:

This seems to apply.

I know you may have already had this explained to you, but liking either of those will not help as they are both effectively fictional and you have an equal chance of forming a relationship with them.

What?
No, that's wrong. The one on the left is a picture of a real woman. In cosplay, yes, but she still exists. She can still have sex or enter relationships just as much as anyone else.
It may not be likely that anyone here would but does that doesn't make her fictional.
Angelina Jolie isn't fictional, despite nobody here ever getting to bone her.

This seems fairly simple logic to me. You might have to explain your reasoning just a little bit here, mate.

Angelina Jolie is not actually Lara Croft. She is not actually any character she has played. This woman is not Yoko. It is fictional, a lie, a poor reflection in a mirror. False as false can be, no different from the other image. Women do not actually have massive orgies with delivery men to avoid paying bills. Delivery men are not all actually ridiculously well endowed. Showing a woman your large penis will likely not cause her to enter a state of shock and awe.
I do not equate the two because I cannot seperate fantasy from reality. Quite the opposite in fact, I completely seperate all of such fantasies from reality. I treat them all just as what they are, preposterous sexual fantasies with little to no bearing upon reality.

Alright, and nobody is saying that she's Yoko. She's a woman dressed up as Yoko, but same as anyone else, remove the clothes and I'll fuck their brains out she's just a regular person. A real person. Dressing up doesn't stop someone being 'real', it just means that they've dressed up.

And it is extremely unlikely that the scenarios going through anyone's head when they imagine such a thing are within the bounds of reality.

 

[Revnak_v1legacy]

Ok, I'll admit there's a certain appeal to 2D girls, at least for oggling anyway and maybe doing other things... but to prefer them over the real thing??? What? That's just crazy.

Also:

This seems to apply.

I know you may have already had this explained to you, but liking either of those will not help as they are both effectively fictional and you have an equal chance of forming a relationship with them.

Wait... what? What the hell are you talking about. One is a fictional character, the other is a real girl cosplaying as a fictional character. Obviously the later is better because she's real. Man I didn't think it was really that complex a concept. This is not astral physics or string theory.

Note the effectively. She is acting. She is dressed up. I can love her in the same sense I can love Yoko, which is to say not at all. Now her as an actual person, sure, but that is not what anyone is attracted to when they see that. Porn is acting. It is almost never real. And taking pleasure in it does not in any way make you better than the person who prefers the 2D Yoko. They are both "fake." Both are inhuman in my eyes. If I were to meet the actual person, that would certainly change things. Then I could apreciate them for who they are. I cannot do that through your picture.

You're problem is, as was the last person I had to explain this to, is the fact that you're focusing on the fact that it's a picture and instead of the the fact the it's a real person vs a not real person. You're focusing on the wrong aspects of the picture and are thus missing the point completely.

No, I'm focusing on the fact that either way it is just a sexual fantasy with next to no bearing upon reality.

No it isn't. You could get to know the person behind the costume if you put the effort in. No amount of effort is going to get you anywhere with the actual Yoko (or any other fictional character).

And if you did get to know them it would not be equal, but that possibility does not elevate the pre-existing and ultimately preposterous fantasies above the other preposterous fantasies.