Rock music: A load of men screaming about their girlfriends
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I really don't find any problems with hip hop music
rap however, sounds like sound, in that it isn't pleasing
i love the sound of a guitar and some lyrics I can understand
oh and just love ballads are about guys and girls
for the rest
"SEX DRUGS AND ROCK N ROLL!"
rap however, sounds like sound, in that it isn't pleasing
i love the sound of a guitar and some lyrics I can understand
oh and just love ballads are about guys and girls
for the rest
"SEX DRUGS AND ROCK N ROLL!"
Oh, here we go again. Is this thread really necessary? Does the fact that some people feel the need to flame your preferred musical likings really bother you to the point where a counter-thread is needed? Music is music, and people should listen to whatever kind they feel fit.
Personally, my iTunes list is filled with people that I consider as 'the Greats'. Those being, of course, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Rush, The Who, etc. etc. etc. I've also got some rap and hip-hop on my compy, like Beastie Boys and Will Smith. I know that many people think that these artists are a mess of (now old) guys just screaming about having a good time or whatever, but his music connects with me, so I listen to it. Generalizations are like assumptions, only taken a step further, as in, you see only a few things about a broad topic that you don't like, so you don't like the topic.
I'll go on record that I tend to dislike whatever is popular at the time, not on purpose, but because I prefer the classics. The defining makers of the music you listen to today.
Personally, my iTunes list is filled with people that I consider as 'the Greats'. Those being, of course, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Rush, The Who, etc. etc. etc. I've also got some rap and hip-hop on my compy, like Beastie Boys and Will Smith. I know that many people think that these artists are a mess of (now old) guys just screaming about having a good time or whatever, but his music connects with me, so I listen to it. Generalizations are like assumptions, only taken a step further, as in, you see only a few things about a broad topic that you don't like, so you don't like the topic.
I'll go on record that I tend to dislike whatever is popular at the time, not on purpose, but because I prefer the classics. The defining makers of the music you listen to today.
I'ma go with progressive rock here. Just delicious, technical, harmonically complex awesome.
Oh, and on a side note, what's with the title? I see nothing saying rock music: A load of men screaming about their girlfriends, but rather an insight on the complex system of opinion. This may have not been what you were going for; you may have just been defending rap music but I don't really get the title... Wait, this is a "favorite genre" topic. I am obligated to ask you to use the search bar, but I think there's enough meat in the OP to warrant not doing so.
Oh, and on a side note, what's with the title? I see nothing saying rock music: A load of men screaming about their girlfriends, but rather an insight on the complex system of opinion. This may have not been what you were going for; you may have just been defending rap music but I don't really get the title... Wait, this is a "favorite genre" topic. I am obligated to ask you to use the search bar, but I think there's enough meat in the OP to warrant not doing so.
Ok.
Since a serious response won't be read or enjoyed in a topic like this, I'll just say that I listen to all sorts of music, enjoy all sorts of music, create all sorts of music, and dissect all sorts of music.
And Hip-Hop is wonderful. There is no genre I instantly hate, but most rap is generally less tolerable than most rock, and when I say "Rap" and "Rock" I am of course referring to the wasteland that is American radio of sellouts, image, and style over substance and skill.
And yes, I enjoy Dream Theater as much as Cut Chemist most of the time. Rap is a different story but I still like plenty of it.
Since a serious response won't be read or enjoyed in a topic like this, I'll just say that I listen to all sorts of music, enjoy all sorts of music, create all sorts of music, and dissect all sorts of music.
And Hip-Hop is wonderful. There is no genre I instantly hate, but most rap is generally less tolerable than most rock, and when I say "Rap" and "Rock" I am of course referring to the wasteland that is American radio of sellouts, image, and style over substance and skill.
And yes, I enjoy Dream Theater as much as Cut Chemist most of the time. Rap is a different story but I still like plenty of it.
any form of media, whether it be music, movie, literature, television, etc. All suffer from sturgeon's law.
90%of anything is garbage.
Personally, I'm open to just about anything, I actually enjoy listening to new bands. Though, most of the stuff I do listen to is post-rock which is pretty minimal in the lyrics department.
90%of anything is garbage.
Personally, I'm open to just about anything, I actually enjoy listening to new bands. Though, most of the stuff I do listen to is post-rock which is pretty minimal in the lyrics department.
The problem with this is that I listen to music, not lyrics.
Hip hop is severely handicapped when it comes to music.
Rap shouldn't be a genre, it should be a technique. You get so many crap rap "artists" with the same technique of sampling a song and rapping over the top of it, or the same terrible beat with an "artist" rapping over the top of it.
This gives people who use rap as a technique a bad name, when a band comes together that is actually making their own interesting music and rapping as well, they are labelled as "rap" and shelved to the side.
So yes, stuff generalisations, but the problem people have with generic rap/hip hop is the musical quality is severely lax, I would go as far to say that rap has a bias towards bad music and cliche. Where as rock has a bias towards cliche. This is simply because people use the rap genre as a crutch to propell their own lack of talent somewhere, as opposed to actually making interesting music. Where as in rock you at least need to know an instrument, in the pursuit of which you usually pick up a few ideas.
Hip hop is severely handicapped when it comes to music.
Rap shouldn't be a genre, it should be a technique. You get so many crap rap "artists" with the same technique of sampling a song and rapping over the top of it, or the same terrible beat with an "artist" rapping over the top of it.
This gives people who use rap as a technique a bad name, when a band comes together that is actually making their own interesting music and rapping as well, they are labelled as "rap" and shelved to the side.
So yes, stuff generalisations, but the problem people have with generic rap/hip hop is the musical quality is severely lax, I would go as far to say that rap has a bias towards bad music and cliche. Where as rock has a bias towards cliche. This is simply because people use the rap genre as a crutch to propell their own lack of talent somewhere, as opposed to actually making interesting music. Where as in rock you at least need to know an instrument, in the pursuit of which you usually pick up a few ideas.
I'm aware of the fact that this is subjective opinion, and that it's impossible for either of us to be right, but it doesn't stop me from disagreeing and saying that you are incorrect.NoMoreSanity said:
Are you serious? You are?duchaked said:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080306223318AApp75Y
Or if that's not what you meant...
http://www.amazon.com/Some-Intelligent-Hip-Hop/lm/1U30LW1LM38P0
Or if THAT'S not what you meant...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kFLDtndj6Q
That's exactly what rap is, a technique. Rap doesn't exist as a genre, it is part of the genre of Hip Hop.Arcticflame said:
Sampling is a strong part of Hip Hop/Raps style and background. Sampling and beats are to Hip Hop as Power chords and yelling is to Punk Rock.Arcticflame said:
I would also like to add that a good number of Hip Hop acts create their own music with a live band.
You can't generalize, there is no such thing as an inferior genre. Even for people who hate cretin types of music are more then likely to find some songs within that genre that they like, I guess my point is that just because some things in a genre are a cretin way doesn't mean the entire genre is that way
Example: I hate pop and I love Michael Jackson
So in the end not all rap songs are about bitches and hoes and not all rock songs are guys screaming about their exes
Example: I hate pop and I love Michael Jackson
So in the end not all rap songs are about bitches and hoes and not all rock songs are guys screaming about their exes
Then they're wrong really. It's just a gross misdefinition, but it's not really a negative factor. Hip Hop is music, Rap is a vital technique of Hip Hop music. Some use bands, some use sampling.Arcticflame said:
That's a problem though, just because "sampling" and "beats" are a strong part of hip-hop, doesn't make it a good technique. My beef isn't with the innovators of hip-hop, who use sampling in a fantastic way, the problem lies with relying upon the sample to provide the song.zen5887 said:
Of course, I can't dimiss a genre by any generalisation, only on a case by case basis, but I don't have the time to go through all the music in the world (nobody does). Thereby generalisations become important even if they aren't necessarily true. In my experience with music, it's much easier to search in the dungheap of music and find good rock bands than find good hip-hop. Simply because it's easier for a clueless moron to jump onto the hip-hop bandwagon than rock, it doesn't make the hip-hop genre worse, but it does bring it's name down.
It is a negative factor, because there are a huge number of hip-hop.. Hang on let me order in some more quotation marks.. "artists" who ignore this, and rely rap, and rap only, leading to pureed drums and rap which only gets by because people indentify with the music either because they wish to be part of a scene, or because they themselves can rap along with the music and pretend to be the rapper.ChromeAlchemist said:
I suppose I should add some of my own music into the topic seeing as that was half of the topic.
Few random clips
I caught this guy live recently, pretty amazing stuff.
Jeff Lang - London
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K17MsJOCD2E
Antoine Dufour is always good for a bit of mellow stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGemE401r-M&fmt=18
All the rap/hip-hop I've heard sound virtually the same, with the exact same lyrics thrown into a blender and all the proper English removed. Every single song has that "Fat Beat" which consists of one or two bass notes being repeated over and over again mixed in with some clapping. I don't see anything to like in the genre. And if you think all rock is about men crying about their ex-girlfriends, you haven't listened to very much of it.
I used to be like that quite a few years ago, before I came to the realization that Silverstein is, in fact, NOT the best band in the world. Yes, I used to listen to Silverstein back in the day.
A friend of mine recently turned me on to Gnarls Barkley. I used to think that it would just be the generic cookie-cutter rap stuff. Now, it's one of my favorite groups. Put on some "Going On" or "Who's Gonna Save My Soul?" and I just drift off.
My music library is pretty diverse these days. From stuff like Dethklok, Sevendust, and Disturbed all the way to The Shins, Beck, and Katy Perry (Yes, Katy Perry. I'm not ashamed to admit it.)
A friend of mine recently turned me on to Gnarls Barkley. I used to think that it would just be the generic cookie-cutter rap stuff. Now, it's one of my favorite groups. Put on some "Going On" or "Who's Gonna Save My Soul?" and I just drift off.
My music library is pretty diverse these days. From stuff like Dethklok, Sevendust, and Disturbed all the way to The Shins, Beck, and Katy Perry (Yes, Katy Perry. I'm not ashamed to admit it.)