SAY NO TO ACTA.

[Atmos Duality]

People in power change over time. Laws can be repealed.
The question, is how much unjust damage is going to be done before one can get the momentum to get that change.

You want to live in a world without corporations? Better be prepared to pay extremely high taxes, since science ain't cheap.

The notions of any large, wealthy entity "playing fair" from a dominant position is a laughable gesture at best. That applies to large companies, corporations, governmental agencies, or any large entity within human society.

 

[Davih]

America signed, and America hasn't exactly died of, so whats the problem?

 

[Bravo 21]

damn, thats interesting, I found a video that sums this up, and I'm sharing it, cause its pretty cool, and fuck ACTA

 

[noble cookie]

I don't think it'll pass, it's retarded. Nobody with a tiny bit of sense would want this to pass. It's not just going to stop piracy, it will pretty much censor the internet, and also there are much bigger real-life problems that will be caused if ACTA passes.

 

[CATS FTW]

Fuck yeah!

I welcome you internet police overlords. Burn all these pirates and people who use the web for questionable purposes!

its not just the internet you fool. This entire thing will restrict EVERYTHING. Music, Television shows, any form of genetic engineering, modifications to parts by different companies. YOU are the short sited one. I can see several ways to improve the hydraulic quick disconnect, and even though my great grandfather was the one to sign the patents, if ACTA goes into effect, I can't touch it without the company consent to try and help make it better.

You don't realize that this also effects the drug companies. Generic store-knockoffs will be banned and we will be FORCED to buy expensive, high-price namebrands on EVERYTHING.

*Runs into the room frantic*

"The Consequences Will Never Be The Same! The Sky Is Falling, The Sky Is Falling!"

EDIT: Calling me names helps you get your point across really well btw...

Wow man you're kind of abutt head, I sure hop that you were being sarcastic in that first post because then you have some grounds to be as rude as you were in your most recent post but honestly he wasn't calling you names, he called you a fool which is exactly how you were acting unless that was some really poorly construed sarcasm.

 

[godofallu]

I hate it when a drug company spends decades and billions of dollars to find/create a drug, and then they put out a patent so that they can make some money off of it and restart the entire process. I mean 20 years of them getting to be the only people selling the life saving medicine that they invented/discovered?

Patents exist for a very important reason. I pirate stuff occasionally, but if pirating was legal everyone would pirate all the time. Then all the things that we love would go away. Like medicine, and songs, and videogames.

Grow up and actually think about the entire concept of a patent.

 

[Bvenged]

If ACTA passes the EU will have riots bigger than any of the Occupy protests, bigger than civil war - fuck it, I know absolutely no one who would stand for this ACTA; and many, many will stand against, violently if they had to.

My comment on youtube, it applies nicely as a post, too.

 

[ElPatron]

It'll never pass in truly democratic countries.

Too many people would be against that.

Truly democratic countries are not even close to democratic. FACT.

People can't be against what they don't know. Do you think that the soccer moms who blame videogames for their bad parenting are going to protest against this? If it wasn't for the internet I would have never known of ACTA. It's almost invisible to the general population, who only watches TV and that only use the internet for youtube and facebook.

 

[Andy Szidon]

Proof?

Can you take quotes from it? And maybe have proof about how this bypasses democracy?

 

[The Lugz]

The fucking Illuminati is taking over again. We need to make some augments, already.

don't even joke about the Illumanati
they're more dangerous than the mafia

 

[MammothBlade]

F**king NWO scum. F**k illuminati control. Protests are futile, the ballot box is manipulated by the television box, "democracy" is an illusion. How did it get this bad?

 

[WalkableBuffalo]

I heard about it from PirateBay ^_^
I will do everything in my power as long as it doesn't involve more than 30 minutes of my time, but I definitely want this thing stopped

 

[Alleged_Alec]

I hate it when a drug company spends decades and billions of dollars to find/create a drug, and then they put out a patent so that they can make some money off of it and restart the entire process. I mean 20 years of them getting to be the only people selling the life saving medicine that they invented/discovered?

Yeah. I mean, why shouldn't they have the right to ask over ten times the actual worth of a medicine to save a person from a curable disease?

Seriously? Patents are good, but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to just do whatever they want with it.

Patents exist for a very important reason. I pirate stuff occasionally, but if pirating was legal everyone would pirate all the time. Then all the things that we love would go away. Like medicine, and songs, and videogames.

Grow up and actually think about the entire concept of a patent.

There are a lot of completely idiotic patents out there. Gene patents are a groups which infuriates me to no end. They're not all good as you try to make out here. Some are, but there are also morally and ethically questionable ones out there.

 

[vivalahelvig]

Fuck yeah!

I welcome you internet police overlords. Burn all these pirates and people who use the web for questionable purposes!

its not just the internet you fool. This entire thing will restrict EVERYTHING. Music, Television shows, any form of genetic engineering, modifications to parts by different companies. YOU are the short sited one. I can see several ways to improve the hydraulic quick disconnect, and even though my great grandfather was the one to sign the patents, if ACTA goes into effect, I can't touch it without the company consent to try and help make it better.

You don't realize that this also effects the drug companies. Generic store-knockoffs will be banned and we will be FORCED to buy expensive, high-price namebrands on EVERYTHING.

*Runs into the room frantic*

"The Consequences Will Never Be The Same! The Sky Is Falling, The Sky Is Falling!"

EDIT: Calling me names helps you get your point across really well btw...

*facedesk* okay look at this from a logisitics point of view. If everything and thier brother copyrights something, whats going to happen to the cheep, still functional nock-off brands like the Kroger or Meyer cereals? They'll disapear and we'll be forced to buy name-brand products at cutthroat prices.

Again, your alarmist interpretation of this is absurd.

-'To counterfeit means to illegally imitate something. Counterfeit products are often produced with the intent to take advantage of the superior value of the imitated product. The word counterfeit frequently describes both the forgeries of currency and documents, as well as the imitations of works of art, toys, clothing, software, pharmaceuticals, watches, electronics and company logos and brands. In the case of goods, it results in patent infringement or trademark infringement. '- wiki

You're all for people who counterfeit? Of course not. If you think all cheaper goods are going to considered 'counterfeit' then I suggest you stock up on tin foil hats too before it's too late.

Lets keep this discussion about the internet. Of course, ACTA does way more, but lets keep it nice and simple, shall we?

How many images do you have on your hard drive? How many of them are pictures of a popular singer, covers of games, the likes? More than 3? Congratulations. You are the lucky winner of several fines, not to mention that it is now illegal for ISPs to service you. You are quite literally banned from accessing the internet on your personal computer.

How many copyrighted songs are there on youtube? How many of these videos can you access in your country? Is there just one? Congratulations, youtube is now shut off and unavailable to you and the rest of the people living in your country.

Theres things in the ACTA that are a lot more alarming, but that should be enough to wake you up. To be frank, if you think this is no big deal, I propose everyone in this thread gives you the money we usually spend on tin foil hats so you can go buy yourself an ounce of common sense.

I refuse to suckered in by your scaremongering! This ACTA shit has been floating around for years now. It has never passed and it never will pass, assuming it is even real and not some tabloid scaremongering bullshit.

Thats the thing though, isnt it? Theres all these scary acts and treaties floating around, and most of them never pass and just linger about a bit before people give up on it, but turn your back for one second and think it will just go away and bang, something like the Lisabon treaty just passed.

I do hope it doesnt pass, and I will work against it where I can, but im not going to spend my days cowered in a corner muttering "Acta... Acta..."

I won't be in a corner either, considering im the most violent person I know, I'd be bludgeoning a few people in congress. If this shit passes I am screwed, because there just isnt enough stuff to do here to keep from being bored.

So, let's get save the pitchforks for now!
I think im blabbering right now tho....i do that a lot.
[sub]also what is the lisabon treaty?[/sub]

 

[theonecookie]

Oh this alarmist bullshit again will you people stop and think for a minuet Its not going to happen if it does happen it wont be as bad as you people make it out to be , Ho no their shutting down the internet hurp derp and if it is that bad it will last the grand total of about 5 minuets before it falls to pieces do to public pressure and the logistical nightmare of policing the entire fucking world

Hell america has already signed this thing unfortunately , and the internet's still standing and you can still buy unbranded products so what the fuck happened oh wait it's this big thing called nothing get over your self the smallest amount of brain power and you would realise that what your going on about is one totally impractical two makes no sense and three non enforceable short of shutting down everything

next you'll be telling me the UN space fleet backed by the new world order is controlling peoples thoughts with wind turbines because its about as likely as what your going on about

 

[roflmecopter]

Fuck yeah!

I welcome you internet police overlords. Burn all these pirates and people who use the web for questionable purposes!

its not just the internet you fool. This entire thing will restrict EVERYTHING. Music, Television shows, any form of genetic engineering, modifications to parts by different companies. YOU are the short sited one. I can see several ways to improve the hydraulic quick disconnect, and even though my great grandfather was the one to sign the patents, if ACTA goes into effect, I can't touch it without the company consent to try and help make it better.

You don't realize that this also effects the drug companies. Generic store-knockoffs will be banned and we will be FORCED to buy expensive, high-price namebrands on EVERYTHING.

*Runs into the room frantic*

"The Consequences Will Never Be The Same! The Sky Is Falling, The Sky Is Falling!"

EDIT: Calling me names helps you get your point across really well btw...

If your not mature enough to look past a rude remark your not mature enough to even have a say.