Should muslim women remove their veil in stores?
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Abedeus said:
From hell's heart, I list at thee
(This applys less to the above post as I go along
(This applys less to the above post as I go along
1. That would be a defamation charge. However theres a few things that could have changed that. I'm to lazy to list all of them, so here's a link to wikipeida.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation#Other_defences
2. From a quick look at both your profiles one can see that you live in Poland and Outlaw in the USA. The two countries are independent and can and do have differing laws.
3. Australia doens't have separation of church and state. However since said law would apply to every other thing that covers ones face, saying "My religion says I have to." isn't likely to fly. Granted this is a bit diffrent then say a murder case, but the princple is still there.
4. Culture isn't an argument. More spefically picking and chosing which cultures it applies to. A large ammount of people belong to biker clubs. That could be considered a culture and yet no one is arguing about how how this would be unfair to them. It either needs to apply to everything or to nothing. Though if it were to become law I doubt "My culture says I have to" either.
5. In any case where your not allowed to wear a head covering it should apply to everyone regardless. I will grant that its nice for those people who wear them for religious reasons, but it makes it fair for everyone. On the off chance you live under a rock and have never seen an image of Lady Justice heres one for you. http://www.ot-mp.net/images/lady_justice.jpg. Won't get into the whole symbolism of it but she does wear that blindfold for a very good reason.
6. No one seems to have pointed out the sheer stupidty of this proposal outside of the whole hijabs part. A) How do they propose to enforce this as I doubt this is going to be something where the police respond instantly to. If they're wearing something taht prevents them from being identified how are the police going to find them so they can find them? Detaining them until an officer arives is about the only way I can see, and since they could just walk away it would need to be done forcibly. Anyone else thats not going to go over too well. B) It's likely Australia doesn't have a law that stops you from refusing service to someone. Failing that the store owner can just tell them to leave the property and if they refuse have them charged with tresspassing.
Glad you used the word 'intolerant' there, so I can get all grammar-nazi on your ass.Abedeus said:
Dictionary.com on tolerate: to allow the existence, presence, practice, or act of without prohibition or hindrance; permit.
Tolerate implies that you have the power to change something, but allow it to go ahead anyway.
Toleration also raises some interesting points. If you do have the power to change something, and you dislike it so much, why should you tolerate it instead of getting rid of it?
*Joins the Jumper religion* Alright, since they can wear veils and what not, I'm going to jump up and down until I get tired and have sex with the nearest woman. Yeah, that religion exists. Its not hurting anyone, right? *rolls eyes* Keep your religion to your own household/community.
Basically :- "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence comet evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"rossatdi said:
Ever read Gullivers Travels? Oh wait, no, screw that. Ever seen the Futurama Episode "Godfellas"? That answers your points. Just a FYI - I don't believe in god, but I understand the inherent flaw in this argument. Wiki that futurama episode.
People have the power to choose their religion. They don't with race. It is fine to mock fat people because most of the time (vast majority of the time, in fact) it is their choice to be fat. Its not technically okay to mock people for actually being mentally retarded because they have no say in the matter.Abedeus said:
Race is something we're born with therefore toleration (even if you dislike) is necessary.
Religion is not something anyone is born with, ever, therefore toleration is not necessary.
You're quoting Futurama at me? I believe the line you're looking for "If you've done things right, people won't be sure if you've done anything at all."cuddly_tomato said:
I don't buy that crap. And yes I've heard it a million times before. We're all supposed to be God's little experiment (faith/sin/whatever depends on your specific denomination). I get it. What I don't get is why God gives a fuck. He's GOD. The only possible reason for keeping us around to see if we end up believing has to be some kind of sick Jobe related sadism.
God: "Hmm...maybe I'll burn down another school full of children. That'll really test their faith!"
Lucifer: "Er..don't you think that's a little bit harsh? Maybe you could just like, give your peoples an easy time. Say how about not dying before 13 or something?"
God: "Get out...now!"
You don't "buy that crap" but do buy the crap that "god hasn't magically appeared and fixed everything the way I want it so therefore he doesn't exist".rossatdi said:
Uhm..... K.
No. They need to be stopped. The people that endanger others. And some people will find any excuse. Same goes for atheism too.MaxTheReaper said:
I see burka's as being very socially controlling, very old fashioned and having no place in the modern world, at least in concept.
I don't see the point in wearing it in the first place. The reasoning I've heard in Norway, is among other things; "Muslim men is aroused by displayed hair"..
But, if to remove it just to put it back on afterwards, I don't see the point in that either, if they really want to wear, let them, I say.
But, if to remove it just to put it back on afterwards, I don't see the point in that either, if they really want to wear, let them, I say.
Nor are you apparently willing to try.thedrop2zer0 said:
Of course I care. Would you like to respond to these points:thedrop2zer0 said:
1) I have looked for God for years. No luck. Hmmm. Doesn't want me then, what else am I supposed to do? I've never felt his presence or even the potential for it.
2) From the point of view of someone who can't feel God's presence, how exactly am I supposed to look upon the untold reams of crap that organised religion is responsible for? Surely his mouthpieces should be saying "don't wear a condom" or "go blow up the infidels". I mean a simple tap on the shoulder and a whisper in the ear "calm down guys, its fine" isn't that much to ask.
3) Why does God care about the way we dress. After all he made the blueprints, does he not like the architecture anymore?
PS. It's your choice to get angry about someone questioning your life choices not mine. I would not rip into someone for being homosexual (after all, they're probably born that way, who am I to judge that?). But with as good a rational mind as I have (maybe slightly above average, nothing more) I can't get over these theological issues.
What would the rule be for nudists?
- putting some clothes on before entering a store is intolerant of their beliefs
- being entirely naked means that they are readily identifiable on security cameras
- not wearing clothes means that it is impossible for them to shoplift all, but very small items
- putting some clothes on before entering a store is intolerant of their beliefs
- being entirely naked means that they are readily identifiable on security cameras
- not wearing clothes means that it is impossible for them to shoplift all, but very small items