Should muslim women remove their veil in stores?
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Actually, more "casual" meaning of intolerant is - not tolerating something.Fragamoo said:
Tolerating - allowing it to exist. If you are intolerant, you don't want it to exist. Pretty simple, no?
It can piss you off, but as long as you don't plan on changing it (for example, with a class action suit), you are tolerant. If you, however, don't like it and want to change it, you are intolerant.
About the Bible-haters - sure, it's one of the strangest books I've ever seen. If Cain and Abel were Adam and Eve's only children, how did they make more babies? If Adam and Eve were created by God, why are they painted with bellybuttons? Not to mention that in theory you can't even go to the bathroom, if you obey the Bible all the time. But if you take out of context stuff about killing, why not take out of context stuff about loving other people and NOT killing?
lolwutMaxTheReaper said:
Why do I feel like I'm arguing with my younger cousin right now?
That casual definition of toleration is just plain wrong. If you don't have the power to change it, you aren't tolerating it; you don't have a choice.Abedeus said:
This is why 'toleration' can't be used in racism arguments: for example, you can't say "I tolerate black people" because a black person can't change the colour of their skin.
Its virtually impossible to change an entire religion, so tolerance doesn't factor in at all. You can't be tolerant of someone's religious beliefs because you can't change them.
For arguments sake if you do say its possible to change someone's religious beliefs, its certainly not possible to change an entire community.
Abedeus said:
well he rambled a bit but the man is right in the facts. Only one of those I know the location of is the one on rebellious children, Deuteronomy 21:18-21, the rest are there too. Some other weird ass laws too.
You can't change something you don't tolerate? Handgun or a sniper rifle and you can.Fragamoo said:
You change it forever. Also, a black person can have an operation. Or you can force them to cover their bodies in white paint. Violence is never the answer, except for all of human race's problems.
But then again, hating or not tolerating a RACE is stupid. Because you would have to be a racist to assume, that, for example, all Jews are greedy. And you doesn't have to tolerate that.
You can change someone's behaviour. Again, with violence, but still.
Proof of nothing at all.rossatdi said:
Claiming that god doesn't exist because everything isn't perfect is like claiming that your mother doesn't love you because she still doesn't tuck you into bed at night.
Humans should be ready to solve all of these problems themselves, but instead are content to bicker and argue. Pfft... children. The only way for them to really learn is to let them go and let them make their own mistakes.
Sorry but if my Religion was to carry a butcher knife with me everywhere I go, I would understand if department stores told me I had to leave it before I came in.
The one who is being intolerant is when people think that there Religion out rules everyone else. The department stores have a policy about hiding peoples faces. It's not a "bogus" policy, it's perfectly reasonable and you can't just cry about it if it conflicts with your religion.
So if you want to participate in a society that accepts multiple religions and backgrounds then you have to also be prepared to accept other peoples rules. If you don't like it, don't shop at stores where this policy is in effect.
The one who is being intolerant is when people think that there Religion out rules everyone else. The department stores have a policy about hiding peoples faces. It's not a "bogus" policy, it's perfectly reasonable and you can't just cry about it if it conflicts with your religion.
So if you want to participate in a society that accepts multiple religions and backgrounds then you have to also be prepared to accept other peoples rules. If you don't like it, don't shop at stores where this policy is in effect.
Bullshit!
While you're at it, why don't you ban sunglasses too? In fact, ban all tinted glasses. They hide the eyes so when those people commit a crime, you can't identify them! Ohnoez!
Get real.. If you don't like muslims just say so, don't be a pussy and try to fiddle your way around it with lousy arguments.
While you're at it, why don't you ban sunglasses too? In fact, ban all tinted glasses. They hide the eyes so when those people commit a crime, you can't identify them! Ohnoez!
Get real.. If you don't like muslims just say so, don't be a pussy and try to fiddle your way around it with lousy arguments.
I'm not saying perfect but why does god allow us to die from his design flaws before we're old enough to read whichever the correct holy text is. People sometimes just drop dead from blood clots in the brain.cuddly_tomato said:
Also the only parents I've seen that take such a lackadaisical approach to parenting get their children taken away from them.
I think you may have missed the point slightly, I didn't say you can't change something you don't tolerate. Toleration implies that you have the power to change it in the first place, so yes you can change something you don't tolerate.Abedeus said:
However in this case, changing an entire community is just not possible, because violence would net you a stay in prison, or you might even wind up dead. The few people you brutalised before your incarciration would just become martyrs for the cause, and would probably inspire more people to take up the cause in defiance of your actions.
You are fixated on the literal interpretation of the Bible as being the only version of god that actually counts. Don't forget the Bible was written by humans, and is as flawed as they are.rossatdi said:
As for flaws... they are a part of why I think the way I do, and the way you think the way you do. Imagine an unflawed, perfect, human making machine somewhere. Every single man created an adonis, every single woman a supermodel. Every single one perfect in mind, perfect in health, no violence, no corruption, everyone working towards the same goal of a well structured society. Sounds like an ant colony doesn't it? No diversity, no culture, a sterile and hellish place. Flaws may not be *nice* but they are a good thing. Sometimes they have terrible consequences, but without them the world would have no flavour.
I am not trying to convince you that there is a god, because frankly I don't *know*. All I am asking for is that you consider that maybe the situation isn't really so black and white, and that some religious people have very good reasons for believing what they do.
its not so much that its offending, but since the whole hysteria started up, some muslim women have been taking the piss; putting sunglasses on with their veils and stuff like that. Also, tradition or not, i think in teh uk at least, in shops etc people should be able to see your face, hence hoodies and motorcycle helmets being banned in shops. i think its racisit to non musilims to excuse muslims for disguising themselvesAbedeus said:
That, unfortunately, is exactly what you're saying. "I want things to be better; If you're there, God, make it better!" Then when he doesn't, you thow a fit. To me, that seems (by definition) childish.rossatdi said:
Oh, and Cuddly Tomato; you told someone to read Gulliver's Travels, then you told them to watch Futurama? You win.
so.... what happens to everyone else then on halloween?
Or when does it end "I'm sorry but you can't wear veils on the streets because you might mug somebody and bystanders wouldn't be able to help identify you"
umm......no
Not worth the effort. Ignore that guy and get on with life.
Or when does it end "I'm sorry but you can't wear veils on the streets because you might mug somebody and bystanders wouldn't be able to help identify you"
umm......no
Not worth the effort. Ignore that guy and get on with life.
Are you guys like, purposefully missing the point?The_Logician19 said:
God supposedly made a design that can die before having the choice to believe in him or not.
That does not sit well with a God that apparently wants free willed believers.
Simple?
I don't want to world to change via magical *finger click*. I believe humans have the ability to overcome, as we have done for so long. I am not making the 'why do good things happen to bad people' speech. I'm just wondering why god allows 6 month old babies to die randomly seeing as they are incapable to belief at that point. Where does that serve his plan?
Its like failing someone before they've sat the exam. Unless of course they get an auto pass and are just simply used as a tool to fuck with people.
I don't understand how you guys think any of this is racists. Just because you have a religion, a believe, a group of friends who think a like... etc, does not mean you are ABOVE the rules of other peoples. Just because it's part of your religion does not mean you are ABOVE the rules of the society you live in.
What if a religion had to sacerfice a human being from every year to there god? Would that be okay? How about an animal? Thats bad too? Maybe you think it's horrible, maybe you think an animal is fine but theres the problem, it's not exactly fine for everyone now is it?
This is a REASONABLE request because do you understand that if they banned everything but Muslim masks then the masks would be EXPLOITED by criminals and then there would be even more religious racism to develop from it. There are some people who get all shifty in there plane seats when sitting across a guy in a Turbin, the last thing we need is a bunch of shopping malls to get pillaged by guys in Religious Masks.
What if a religion had to sacerfice a human being from every year to there god? Would that be okay? How about an animal? Thats bad too? Maybe you think it's horrible, maybe you think an animal is fine but theres the problem, it's not exactly fine for everyone now is it?
This is a REASONABLE request because do you understand that if they banned everything but Muslim masks then the masks would be EXPLOITED by criminals and then there would be even more religious racism to develop from it. There are some people who get all shifty in there plane seats when sitting across a guy in a Turbin, the last thing we need is a bunch of shopping malls to get pillaged by guys in Religious Masks.