Sick of people indirectly insulting me because I like Transformers 3

[Nyce1]

So I grew up on transformers and have to agree that this last installment was the weak one of the trilogy. I found the first movie and second to have its likeable action scenes and funny moments. I found this recent installment to be all over the place. As a fanboy I can honestly say this movie ruined a possible satisfactory trilogy. See X-Men Last Stand as another let down.

 

[Murray Kitson]

First off... You're not Yahtzee. stop trying to talk like him. You fail epicly. Second. You can like any movie you want. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Just be aware that those who follow story lines and see what's beyond "ooo, pretty explosion. cool graphics" will disregard your opinion all together. The fact is, the only parts of this film series that would have had the 'rule of cool' to hide behind were destroyed from shaky cam shit that destroyed immersion. Same with the 3D. 3D is great to have in movies, until you start throwing shit at the screen and everyone can see the gimic'ness of it all.

 

[Sozac]

No, I think Transformers is boring and lame and I am certainly not stupid. I'm saying genius movies like Watchmen can't be understood by stupid people and so the stupid people find it boring and lame because it didn't have an explosion every minute. They don't understand any deeper meaning to it and they just don't get it. Great movies don't need action to be great.

I don't recall calling you stupid and I apologize if that's what you inferred. Anyway, if you like total narrative heavy movies like Watchmen or Titanic that's fine. But don't judge people to be unintelligent because they dislike those types of movies. It would be like accusing all people who dislike horror films of being scared and cowardly.

Fine, whatever, I'm just wasting time. Didn't really mean anything by it. Just never could understand why people think bad movies are good. Not just movies I think are bad, but movies that basically have been agreed on are bad by the movie watching community. I can understand liking movies that are bad for being bad. My favorite bad movies are Bad Boys 1 and 2, but I don't think they are good by any means. Some days you just want to watch bad movies, but I just don't get why people insist that these movies can be considered better than deep, heavy, good movies.

 

[R MAN 77]

When i saw the 1st transformers i didn't know what to expect. I liked it.
When i saw the 2nd transformers i wanted to see giant robots that i had become attached to and that had good characterization beat the s&#t out of each other. I was very dissapionted.
When i saw transformers 3 i expected more of 2, i was not very dissapionted. I liked it.

Many people don't like these movies because they expect the TV series.

And has it ever occured to anyone that these movies were INTENDED to focus on humans, to tell the story of what it would be like for US to expirience giant robot space aliens?





Just sayin

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

Nobody said that, we all just said that it's an awful movie because it spends way too much time focusing on the humans.

 

[Spade Lead]

OP has a point. I like the transformers movies because i go to see robots fighting because of some paper thin plot and its what I get every time. Everyone else hates it because it has not plot. Now i'm left here wondering if the plots really that important. If its cool and entertaining i'll watch the crap out of it.

Example? Monster trucks smashing things.

Every thread could use more Monster Trucks. They should be the next My Little Pony fad...

Also, am I the only one that thought the only failing of the Transformers franchise was that there wasn't a Monster Truck?

I LOVED the Transformers trilogy, it is my favorite trilogy of all time. I also loved Watchmen and Citizen Kane. I am a Movie Buff. I like all genres, but my favorite is mindless explosion-fests like Battle: Los Angeles, Drive Angry, and anything by John McTiernan. I appreciate the time tested classics, and modern plotless explosion fests and everything in between. Except Skyline. That movie was utter shit.

 

[SecretAlienMan]

No, I think Transformers is boring and lame and I am certainly not stupid. I'm saying genius movies like Watchmen can't be understood by stupid people and so the stupid people find it boring and lame because it didn't have an explosion every minute. They don't understand any deeper meaning to it and they just don't get it. Great movies don't need action to be great.

I don't recall calling you stupid and I apologize if that's what you inferred. Anyway, if you like total narrative heavy movies like Watchmen or Titanic that's fine. But don't judge people to be unintelligent because they dislike those types of movies. It would be like accusing all people who dislike horror films of being scared and cowardly.

Fine, whatever, I'm just wasting time. Didn't really mean anything by it. Just never could understand why people think bad movies are good. Not just movies I think are bad, but movies that basically have been agreed on are bad by the movie watching community. I can understand liking movies that are bad for being bad. My favorite bad movies are Bad Boys 1 and 2, but I don't think they are good by any means. Some days you just want to watch bad movies.

You contradicted yourself... whether its an individual or a massive group that agree upon a preference, that doesn't make that particular preference the supreme law of the universe and anyone who FEELS differently is outright wrong. And yeah, I also think that there are good "bad" movies that are simply stupid-fun to watch, like Austin Powers. (WARNING: this is my own personal opinion and does not reflect the generally accepted views of the majority)

 

[Bakuryukun]

Sorry OP, you really don't make a good case for yourself, when you pretty much SAY that Watchmen went over your head. I appreciate the frustration of being branded as stupid by your taste in movies but this wasn't the way to go about proving people wrong.

I didn't mind the first transformers movie it wasn't great but I enjoyed it, but the second and third are so offensive, stupid and overblown that I can't enjoy them at all. If they wanted to be pure dumb action movies, I could appreciate that, but they don't even do THAT well. They keep stumbling over their literally dozens of stupid comic relief characters that make it their JOB to break any tension that could ever be building up, and the useless human characters that have no place or purpose in the films eat up waaaay to much screen-time.

I would say the worst things about Revenge of the Fallen are Skids and Mudflap, even if they weren't INCREDIBLY rasicst caricatures (which they are) they are just plain annoying, and the fact that they get more screen time and lines then pretty well ANY of the other Transformers is just a slap in the face after the already painful burn of having the human characters be the focus of the movie most of the time.


The most annoying thing by and far about the third movie is what they did with Sam's character. Sam is COMPLETELY unrelateable by the third movie, at least in the first one Meagan Fox was supposed to represent this "beyond his league" girl that he only got due to circumstance and how he dealt with those cirumstances but in DotM, he's just a angry whiny kid who has NO idea how good he has it. Also, I should not have to watch a montage of a kid trying to get a job in a Transformers movie...That's just stupid and annoying.

tl;dr Transformers 2 and 3 are pretty durn terrible IMO.

 

[HumpinHop]

When i saw the 1st transformers i didn't know what to expect. I liked it.
When i saw the 2nd transformers i wanted to see giant robots that i had become attached to and that had good characterization beat the s&#t out of each other. I was very dissapionted.
When i saw transformers 3 i expected more of 2, i was not very dissapionted. I liked it.

Many people don't like these movies because they expect the TV series.

And has it ever occured to anyone that these movies were INTENDED to focus on humans, to tell the story of what it would be like for US to expirience giant robot space aliens?

Just sayin

That very well could have been their intention. However, they may not have made the humans as interesting as giant fighting robots from another planet. I haven't seen Transformers 3 so I can't outright bash it, but if the characterization is anything like it was in Transformers 2, there's a good reason why people would prefer to see robots.

 

[Tiger Sora]

Compare Transformers 1,2,3 to Transformers 1986. In the 3 new movies, everything focuses around some stupid kid who by sheer dumb luck hasn't died yet. In the old movie, it focuses on the robots themselves. Sure there was a kids in that movie, but the only thing he really did was save his dad and some Autobots from the acid smelter. Transformers is supposed to be about the war between the Autobots and Decepticons. Humans are supposed to be in the back seat, keeping quiet and trying not to spill their juice on the seats. I don't care for Bay's movies, good day sirs.

 

[NickCooley]

I haven't seen it yet but I will, and like the other films I'll enjoy it. This is one of the times you shrug your shoulders, turn your back on the petty morons and their snide remarks and break out the gifs!

 

[Et3rnalLegend64]

Don't remember much about the first one and missed the second one entirely, but I really did enjoy the third one. It has a bunch of funny moments, the special effects are great (but it's Michael Bay, so that's kinda a given), and it's amazing when the fights begin. Plus Peter Cullen's voice is sex, and I'm a guy. It doesn't have to be deep or philosophical or any of that. I like the music, the rousing speeches, and the parts where Autobots kick ass. That's enough for me.

After saying all that, I don't care what anyone's opinion of me is. I don't need other people to make me feel that my opinion is worth having, otherwise I'll be like some certain narrow minded family members I have.

 

[Sozac]

No, I think Transformers is boring and lame and I am certainly not stupid. I'm saying genius movies like Watchmen can't be understood by stupid people and so the stupid people find it boring and lame because it didn't have an explosion every minute. They don't understand any deeper meaning to it and they just don't get it. Great movies don't need action to be great.

I don't recall calling you stupid and I apologize if that's what you inferred. Anyway, if you like total narrative heavy movies like Watchmen or Titanic that's fine. But don't judge people to be unintelligent because they dislike those types of movies. It would be like accusing all people who dislike horror films of being scared and cowardly.

Fine, whatever, I'm just wasting time. Didn't really mean anything by it. Just never could understand why people think bad movies are good. Not just movies I think are bad, but movies that basically have been agreed on are bad by the movie watching community. I can understand liking movies that are bad for being bad. My favorite bad movies are Bad Boys 1 and 2, but I don't think they are good by any means. Some days you just want to watch bad movies.

You contradicted yourself... whether its an individual or a massive group that agree upon a preference, that doesn't make that particular preference the supreme law of the universe and anyone who FEELS differently is outright wrong. And yeah, I also think that there are good "bad" movies that are simply stupid-fun to watch, like Austin Powers. (WARNING: this is my own personal opinion and does not reflect the generally accepted views of the majority)

I tend to believe if the majority is high enough it might as well be fact. This goes for every 'bad' movie. However, there are 'bad' movies that are fun to watch and then there are movies with no redeeming values. They are movies infamously known for the crap they spew. That is the Transformer's movies. Public opinion has always been more influential than individual opinion.

 

[SecretAlienMan]

I tend to believe if the majority is high enough it might as well be fact. This goes for every 'bad' movie. However, there are 'bad' movies that are fun to watch and then there are movies with no redeeming values. They are movies infamously known for the crap they spew. That is the Transformer's movies. Public opinion has always been more influential than individual opinion.

so... if you were living in the 1400's you'd believe that the world was flat because that's what the majority believed.... well, whatever floats your boat, but personally its not my style.

 

[starwarsgeek]

It seems to be the new trend that makes people think they are smarter than the population because they do not like Transformers films.

I am sick of being told I and all my friends are 13 year olds

And what bugs me the most

is that most of these people like a movie such as Watchmen and hold it in high esteem. It's ironic that these people say Transformers Dark of the moon has no plot because Watchmen is 2 hours and 10 minutes of pointless, uninformative backstory for characters we don't care about (Ironically the most interesting character gets less backstory) and 30 minutes worth of actual storyline - a mediocre one at that.

I am still convinced these are the people who grew up with Transformers cartoons.


ps. I am by no means saying these films are perfect.

pps I am also not saying you cannot like this film because that is ridiculous, but aparently it does not work the other way around. Like this film and you are a F student waiting to man the assembly line.

Yeah, I hate the first two movies (haven't seen DotM), but I hate moviebob's (and forum members') need to insult anyone who enjoyed them even more. There is simply no call for that, especially from professionals.

 

[Periodic]

The Transformers films are utterly terrible and OP's bitching isn't making me think any more favorably of the fans.

If you like Michael Bay films, you are going to catch hell, and you deserve to.

 

[Soulfoodman]

I just find it funny when it is used in the context of an insult toward anyone that didn't like Tree of Life.

"I didn't like Tree of Life."
"You just didn't get it. Go watch Transformers."

So pretentious it's hilarious.

 

[TheLastDance]

It seems to be the new trend that makes people think they are smarter than the population because they do not like Transformers films.

I am sick of being told I and all my friends are 13 year olds

And what bugs me the most

is that most of these people like a movie such as Watchmen and hold it in high esteem. It's ironic that these people say Transformers Dark of the moon has no plot because Watchmen is 2 hours and 10 minutes of pointless, uninformative backstory for characters we don't care about (Ironically the most interesting character gets less backstory) and 30 minutes worth of actual storyline - a mediocre one at that.

I am still convinced these are the people who grew up with Transformers cartoons.


ps. I am by no means saying these films are perfect.

pps I am also not saying you cannot like this film because that is ridiculous, but aparently it does not work the other way around. Like this film and you are a F student waiting to man the assembly line.

I don't think it's right that people are insulting because you liked Transformers 3.

But if you're too bogged down by pointless backstory for unlikeable characters I think you're better off sticking to the less complicated much shinier movies that are more apt to hold your attention than Watchmen.

Way to prove my point mate.

To all those who claim that "if you dont like watchmen, you are to unintelligable to understand it" that is the most ridiculous, elitist statement ive ever heard. I could write down every meaningful nuance and subtext of a movie until the cows come home. People who do this seem to use it as a way to confirm and reassure to themselves that they are better than everyone else. Just sounds like a bunch of uni/college students who think they know the world better

 

[remnant_phoenix]

Would you prefer they directly insult you?

Seriously though, if you like the Transformers movies, then go ahead and like them. We like what we like and if people give you a hard time about what you like? You can either consider that they may have points of valid criticism against those movies and re-consider your opinion, or you can just ignore those people. You don't really have any other options.

There is a large contingent of movie critics and intellectual types who think that the Michael Bay Transformers movies are shit. Because they see these movies as shit, they see people who like these movies as people who like shit.

That's just the way it is, and these people aren't going to stop thinking that because you complain on the Escapist forums. So you can brush the dust off your shoulder, ignore those who think less of you because of your taste in movies and move on...or you can keep complaining. I don't really see a third option.

 

[Frostbite3789]

Don't listen to those kids, I'm sure they probably have movies that they like that others including you think is crap. And Watchmen isn't all that great, Like you said they spend the least amount of time on they character we most like. While Transformers doesn't have the greatest plot, what kind of storyline do expect from the premise of transforming alien robots?

One about you know...transforming alien robots.

It seems to be the new trend that makes people think they are smarter than the population because they do not like Transformers films.

I am sick of being told I and all my friends are 13 year olds

And what bugs me the most

is that most of these people like a movie such as Watchmen and hold it in high esteem. It's ironic that these people say Transformers Dark of the moon has no plot because Watchmen is 2 hours and 10 minutes of pointless, uninformative backstory for characters we don't care about (Ironically the most interesting character gets less backstory) and 30 minutes worth of actual storyline - a mediocre one at that.

I am still convinced these are the people who grew up with Transformers cartoons.


ps. I am by no means saying these films are perfect.

pps I am also not saying you cannot like this film because that is ridiculous, but aparently it does not work the other way around. Like this film and you are a F student waiting to man the assembly line.

I don't think it's right that people are insulting because you liked Transformers 3.

But if you're too bogged down by pointless backstory for unlikeable characters I think you're better off sticking to the less complicated much shinier movies that are more apt to hold your attention than Watchmen.

Way to prove my point mate.

To all those who claim that "if you dont like watchmen, you are to unintelligable to understand it" that is the most ridiculous, elitist statement ive ever heard. I could write down every meaningful nuance and subtext of a movie until the cows come home as I have spent many years training in film.

I love movies like murder on the orient express, The Prestige, v for vendetta and games like metal gear solid, ico, shadow of the colossus, heavy rain (some of my favorite games) etc. So dont act high and mighty as if I or the other people on this forum don't like watchmen because we are too stupid to understand it and its higher meanings. And its paced like a snail which is simply BAD filmaking.

So you get angry people make fun of you for liking a summer action movie that focuses way too hard on the wrong things. Then insult a movie/book many people hold in a high regard and expect zero backlash? Are you mental?

Did you seriously not expect umpteen responses like that one? Way to go champ! keep on truckin'!