Slaughter in the Arctic circle??

[KnightRider0717]

no, you said that there would be problems, if you meant that we can always reproduce your statements still wrong since all life does that, being able to reproduce is a characteristic of life.

you said a moment ago that you take it personally against your country, so i assume you're canadian, but you also believe seal hunting should be done by natives. unless you're from newfoundland like i am you probably wouldn't understand the need for employment and how insulting this topic can be towards this place. yes, it's insulting towards canadians but i wouldn't say it's as insulting as having the people of your province being called savages for making a living.

now, as far as i see it, there is no problem with the seal hunt. yes animals die, so what? there always will be death as long as there's life and it's not as though the population isn't able to reproduce and grow since i'm sure we all know seals are considered living. it's also not like there aren't regulations considering the number of seals caught. you've also pointed out that they are not endangered, therefore there's no problem. if they did become endangered the hunt wouldn't happen, it's actually very simple and if a persons reasoning behind being against the hunt is simply because the babies are cute, they don't deserve to have a say in the matter.

See the bolded part.

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth but it sounds as if you don't mind hunting animals to endagerment. Do you think we, as humans, should be able to exploit nature to the greatest extent possible?

it's not that i think it's a good idea to hunt animals until there's none left, by reading my post i'm sure you've noticed that i am a newfoundlander. look at the newfoundland fishery and how i said that work is needed and tell me why i'd suggest hunting/fishing animals down to the last few. it's not that i think there's a lot and thus should die, it's more along the lines of the population isn't threatened and thus can decrease without very serious issues. if it was noted that the population is getting destroyed i know the seal hunt wouldn't go ahead.

 

[ShaqLevick]

... Only humans have the luxury of infinite growth (yet I believe we'll all see where that takes us...). All I'm getting at is that these seals that are clubbed very well may have died of starvation, and what a sin that would be. ...

nope, theres a few things needed for growth of a population such as a stable food source as so is space. now... for human population to infinitely increase there would have to be an even larger food source for the population to be sustained like you've pointed out as the seals food source isn't great and they could starve to death. so to have this food supply and room for the expanding population is impossible as matter cannot occupy the same space as other matter

Well I thought I covered that with the little quip (yet I believe we'll all see where that takes us...), and the answer was a terrifying tomorrow. All I can say about that is best of luck to you and your kin on whatever part of the planet you live on.

no, you said that there would be problems, if you meant that we can always reproduce your statements still wrong since all life does that, being able to reproduce is a characteristic of life.

you said a moment ago that you take it personally against your country, so i assume you're canadian, but you also believe seal hunting should be done by natives. unless you're from newfoundland like i am you probably wouldn't understand the need for employment and how insulting this topic can be towards this place. yes, it's insulting towards canadians but i wouldn't say it's as insulting as having the people of your province being called savages for making a living.

now, as far as i see it, there is no problem with the seal hunt. yes animals die, so what? there always will be death as long as there's life and it's not as though the population isn't able to reproduce and grow since i'm sure we all know seals are considered living. it's also not like there aren't regulations considering the number of seals caught. you've also pointed out that they are not endangered, therefore there's no problem. if they did become endangered the hunt wouldn't happen, it's actually very simple and if a persons reasoning behind being against the hunt is simply because the babies are cute, they don't deserve to have a say in the matter.

Look I think you misread me my friend to the north, I'm about as cold and calculated as they come so bare with me. Human population, seriously, simply said s**t is going to hit the fan, as with every civilization to ever grace the lands, just this time it could be big.
Every statement I have made has been for the seal hunt so...
I support the native population in their seal hunts which create loopholes for everyone to take advantage of. Did I call you a savage in any way?? No, but then again you are from Newfoundland. I kid, sorry about all that.

 

[KnightRider0717]

... Only humans have the luxury of infinite growth (yet I believe we'll all see where that takes us...). All I'm getting at is that these seals that are clubbed very well may have died of starvation, and what a sin that would be. ...

nope, theres a few things needed for growth of a population such as a stable food source as so is space. now... for human population to infinitely increase there would have to be an even larger food source for the population to be sustained like you've pointed out as the seals food source isn't great and they could starve to death. so to have this food supply and room for the expanding population is impossible as matter cannot occupy the same space as other matter

Well I thought I covered that with the little quip (yet I believe we'll all see where that takes us...), and the answer was a terrifying tomorrow. All I can say about that is best of luck to you and your kin on whatever part of the planet you live on.

no, you said that there would be problems, if you meant that we can always reproduce your statements still wrong since all life does that, being able to reproduce is a characteristic of life.

you said a moment ago that you take it personally against your country, so i assume you're canadian, but you also believe seal hunting should be done by natives. unless you're from newfoundland like i am you probably wouldn't understand the need for employment and how insulting this topic can be towards this place. yes, it's insulting towards canadians but i wouldn't say it's as insulting as having the people of your province being called savages for making a living.

now, as far as i see it, there is no problem with the seal hunt. yes animals die, so what? there always will be death as long as there's life and it's not as though the population isn't able to reproduce and grow since i'm sure we all know seals are considered living. it's also not like there aren't regulations considering the number of seals caught. you've also pointed out that they are not endangered, therefore there's no problem. if they did become endangered the hunt wouldn't happen, it's actually very simple and if a persons reasoning behind being against the hunt is simply because the babies are cute, they don't deserve to have a say in the matter.

Look I think you misread me my friend to the north, I'm about as cold and calculated as they come so bare with me. Human population, seriously, simply said s**t is going to hit the fan, as with every civilization to ever grace the lands, just this time it could be big.
Every statement I have made has been for the seal hunt so...
I support the native population in their seal hunts which create loopholes for everyone to take advantage of. Did I call you a savage in any way?? No, but then again you are from Newfoundland. I kid, sorry about all that.

you never did specifically go against the hunt, i never said you were but it may have seemed that way although it wasn't intended, however i was pointing out flawed aspects of your statements. also with the way the human population is nothing will hit the fan. the only problems are that of ones that destroy the environment like pollution. that's a very different issue in itself and is caused by us because as a group we're idiots

 

[ShaqLevick]

Alright, this is my first thread so bare with me. I was just messing around crackbook and came across something that sent me into a rage, and now I feel the urge to start a little rant. What I'm talking about is Seal clubbing in the Canadian Arctic, and this one goes out to all the hippie freaks out there (you know who you are). I mean it's one thing when unbalanced drug addicts like Sir Paul McCartney try to stir the pot, but when reputable news stations such as USA Today band with organizations like PETA to petition, well then the crazies start coming out. Comments like please stop killing innocent animals and other poorly structured comments, without point or honest opinion. Lets in short examine why one would club a baby Seal *Gasp*. Well, the most obvious point would be the destruction of their habitat (Pollution, Shipping routes, etc.), not to say the Seals per se, but it's food supplies and most importantly it's resident predators, mainly the Polar bear and Orca (Killer Whale). Lets not forget that at humans we fall at the very pinnacle of this food chain, but without a healthy Bear population the ecosystem is unable to rectify itself and clean up the sick and dying lot. Needless to say there isn't a living thing out there that wants to die disease ridden frozen to a sheet of ice. So the brave, noble Canadian people come along to rectify the evils of man, and with a swift club to the base of the head all higher brain functioning is severed. One thing people seemed most offended by was the blood splatter, but look at it from the point that it's simply a dinner bell for all the other starving inhabitants of the North, starving because you (yes you little lady with the teary eyes) decided to purchase products produced out side of your locale. To get slightly off topic let me mention that if we weren't on some level carnivorous we would likely in the future become solely dependent on grazing, which would offer little to no nutrition and of course would lead to a diminished brain mass. Of all my hopes and dreams for humanity, I don't feel we can grace those lofty ambitions by simply wallowing in the garbage we created.
Regardless, I may have gone off a little bit there, yet I still feel that the Canadian Seal hunt is probably one of the most humane hunts man can set out on. If a fish could express sadness to my level of understanding it would be far from impressed that I ripped him out of the river with a large barbed hook in his face...
However, all of this doesn't really open a discussion without me asking what all of you folks feel about the subject? How it effects you in your life, and if you're opposed how do you make day to day efforts to rectify the situation?

Your point seems to be muddled by lack of paragraph structure.

The way I read this is that 'we are doing the seals a favor by clubbing them' and 'it is in our nature anyway as we are carnivorous'. Due to use of the first point I'd hazard this is a sarcastic tongue-in-cheek opinion post.

Close, but I think my point was more along the lines of who cares, get over it, and my god there are much more pressing matters than these dirty useless seals. But most importantly get back to me when there's a real story, because if these seals were processed grilled nicely and thrown on a sesame seed bun, then sold to me by a clown under some golden arches. I may just have read a very different story.

 

[Serioli]

10 000 years I mean come on, seriously I'm not saying we're the pinnacle of perfection but sweet jesus we've come far, hell we have gone farther than any other species could have glimpsed. Try to count to 12 Million and tell me when you've stopped and decided to go about living your own short life, do know that things will change though.
As far as the necessity of it all goes please consider what is unnecessary about it all? In the grand scheme of things I personally believe Humans are much better than this whole thing, this planet, or solar system. I'm all for preservation, just be rational about it. Of the top 100 things people are doing to destroy the environment and the planet, how can it even be possible seal clubbing would be on there. These native seal hunters aren't up there mowing through the whole herd, but I know if there was a little seal farm up there and pretty little moccasins got shipped all around the world in fancy ozone damaging plastic wrap I wouldn't here word one from USA Today?

Sorry,I feel you mis-interpreted the 10,000 yrs thing. That was an irrelevent number. I am agreeing with you on that part i.e veganism would not have worked 10,000 or 100,000 or 12,000,000 or [insert arbitrary evolutionary timescale here] years ago. My perspective is that although [action] may have worked [arbitray] years ago or even been necessary and desirable does not automatically justify it now.

'We've always done it' is a poor argument for continuation of a morally questionable action.

Regards the 'top 100' bad things argument.
If there are 10 murders and 1000 burglaries in your city,do the police ignore the burglaries until the murders are solved? If there are millions of tons of pollutants being dumped and thousands of seals being clubbed do you ignore the seal clubbing until the pollutants are gone?

It's also a question of 'being ABLE to do something'. E.g. I can do very little or, more likely, nothing to stop the next million tonne oil spill that hits the headlines but I can stop wearing fur/leather.

 

[KnightRider0717]

Alright, this is my first thread so bare with me. I was just messing around crackbook and came across something that sent me into a rage, and now I feel the urge to start a little rant. What I'm talking about is Seal clubbing in the Canadian Arctic, and this one goes out to all the hippie freaks out there (you know who you are). I mean it's one thing when unbalanced drug addicts like Sir Paul McCartney try to stir the pot, but when reputable news stations such as USA Today band with organizations like PETA to petition, well then the crazies start coming out. Comments like please stop killing innocent animals and other poorly structured comments, without point or honest opinion. Lets in short examine why one would club a baby Seal *Gasp*. Well, the most obvious point would be the destruction of their habitat (Pollution, Shipping routes, etc.), not to say the Seals per se, but it's food supplies and most importantly it's resident predators, mainly the Polar bear and Orca (Killer Whale). Lets not forget that at humans we fall at the very pinnacle of this food chain, but without a healthy Bear population the ecosystem is unable to rectify itself and clean up the sick and dying lot. Needless to say there isn't a living thing out there that wants to die disease ridden frozen to a sheet of ice. So the brave, noble Canadian people come along to rectify the evils of man, and with a swift club to the base of the head all higher brain functioning is severed. One thing people seemed most offended by was the blood splatter, but look at it from the point that it's simply a dinner bell for all the other starving inhabitants of the North, starving because you (yes you little lady with the teary eyes) decided to purchase products produced out side of your locale. To get slightly off topic let me mention that if we weren't on some level carnivorous we would likely in the future become solely dependent on grazing, which would offer little to no nutrition and of course would lead to a diminished brain mass. Of all my hopes and dreams for humanity, I don't feel we can grace those lofty ambitions by simply wallowing in the garbage we created.
Regardless, I may have gone off a little bit there, yet I still feel that the Canadian Seal hunt is probably one of the most humane hunts man can set out on. If a fish could express sadness to my level of understanding it would be far from impressed that I ripped him out of the river with a large barbed hook in his face...
However, all of this doesn't really open a discussion without me asking what all of you folks feel about the subject? How it effects you in your life, and if you're opposed how do you make day to day efforts to rectify the situation?

Your point seems to be muddled by lack of paragraph structure.

The way I read this is that 'we are doing the seals a favor by clubbing them' and 'it is in our nature anyway as we are carnivorous'. Due to use of the first point I'd hazard this is a sarcastic tongue-in-cheek opinion post.

Close, but I think my point was more along the lines of who cares, get over it, and my god there are much more pressing matters than these dirty useless seals. But most importantly get back to me when there's a real story, because if these seals were processed grilled nicely and thrown on a sesame seed bun, then sold to me by a clown under some golden arches. I may just have read a very different story.

nicely said

 

[Calgetorix]

yes i am wrong that you can survive off being a vegetarian, but a plant diet is an incomplete diet as you'd have to consume different plants to get essential nutrients into your system. this isn't efficient if you ask me. there's much better sources.

heres my reasoning behind my initial statement. animals don't produce an enzyme that's needed for breaking down of cell walls. anyone who has taken a biology course before knows that plant cells have cell walls. since animals do not produce the enzyme needed we have a mutualistic relationship with bacteria which do produce the enzymes and then we get what we need from the food. take a look at a omnivore or carnivore caecum and compare it to one found in a herbivore. you'll notice a very large difference between them as it's where the bacteria are found in the body

since you asked, no i wouldn't mind if dogs were used in a similar fashion as seals, as long as someone doesn't chase down someones pet dog trying to kill it there's no problem

I'm hoping when you say plants you mean vegetables, fruits, nuts etc. as well and not just a kind of green salad. A vegetarian diet can be a very complete diet as long as you eat diversely. It's your opinion it's not very efficient.

You are somewhat right about that symbiosis between herbivores and bacteria. That doesn't mean it's a poor diet, though. It's also considered a dietary fiber for humans which basically helps us defecate. I have to say I don't understand your reasoning because I don't consider it to be a bad thing we live in symbiosis with bacteria.

 

[ShaqLevick]

... Only humans have the luxury of infinite growth (yet I believe we'll all see where that takes us...). All I'm getting at is that these seals that are clubbed very well may have died of starvation, and what a sin that would be. ...

nope, theres a few things needed for growth of a population such as a stable food source as so is space. now... for human population to infinitely increase there would have to be an even larger food source for the population to be sustained like you've pointed out as the seals food source isn't great and they could starve to death. so to have this food supply and room for the expanding population is impossible as matter cannot occupy the same space as other matter

Well I thought I covered that with the little quip (yet I believe we'll all see where that takes us...), and the answer was a terrifying tomorrow. All I can say about that is best of luck to you and your kin on whatever part of the planet you live on.

no, you said that there would be problems, if you meant that we can always reproduce your statements still wrong since all life does that, being able to reproduce is a characteristic of life.

you said a moment ago that you take it personally against your country, so i assume you're canadian, but you also believe seal hunting should be done by natives. unless you're from newfoundland like i am you probably wouldn't understand the need for employment and how insulting this topic can be towards this place. yes, it's insulting towards canadians but i wouldn't say it's as insulting as having the people of your province being called savages for making a living.

now, as far as i see it, there is no problem with the seal hunt. yes animals die, so what? there always will be death as long as there's life and it's not as though the population isn't able to reproduce and grow since i'm sure we all know seals are considered living. it's also not like there aren't regulations considering the number of seals caught. you've also pointed out that they are not endangered, therefore there's no problem. if they did become endangered the hunt wouldn't happen, it's actually very simple and if a persons reasoning behind being against the hunt is simply because the babies are cute, they don't deserve to have a say in the matter.

Look I think you misread me my friend to the north, I'm about as cold and calculated as they come so bare with me. Human population, seriously, simply said s**t is going to hit the fan, as with every civilization to ever grace the lands, just this time it could be big.
Every statement I have made has been for the seal hunt so...
I support the native population in their seal hunts which create loopholes for everyone to take advantage of. Did I call you a savage in any way?? No, but then again you are from Newfoundland. I kid, sorry about all that.

you never did specifically go against the hunt, i never said you were but it may have seemed that way although it wasn't intended, however i was pointing out flawed aspects of your statements. also with the way the human population is nothing will hit the fan. the only problems are that of ones that destroy the environment like pollution. that's a very different issue in itself and is caused by us because as a group we're idiots

But hey we live in Canada, Hoo Ray!!!! My god is it ever roomy up here, all this fresh water too, my isn't it nice. The winters only seem to be getting warmer. Yeah I think we'll be alright, but don't expect the same for the continent of Africa when temperatures spike and there isn't enough grain or even fuel to transport. When Canada becomes paradise the middle just may be a desert.

 

[KnightRider0717]

10 000 years I mean come on, seriously I'm not saying we're the pinnacle of perfection but sweet jesus we've come far, hell we have gone farther than any other species could have glimpsed. Try to count to 12 Million and tell me when you've stopped and decided to go about living your own short life, do know that things will change though.
As far as the necessity of it all goes please consider what is unnecessary about it all? In the grand scheme of things I personally believe Humans are much better than this whole thing, this planet, or solar system. I'm all for preservation, just be rational about it. Of the top 100 things people are doing to destroy the environment and the planet, how can it even be possible seal clubbing would be on there. These native seal hunters aren't up there mowing through the whole herd, but I know if there was a little seal farm up there and pretty little moccasins got shipped all around the world in fancy ozone damaging plastic wrap I wouldn't here word one from USA Today?

Sorry,I feel you mis-interpreted the 10,000 yrs thing. That was an irrelevent number. I am agreeing with you on that part i.e veganism would not have worked 10,000 or 100,000 or 12,000,000 or [insert arbitrary evolutionary timescale here] years ago. My perspective is that although [action] may have worked [arbitray] years ago or even been necessary and desirable does not automatically justify it now.

'We've always done it' is a poor argument for continuation of a morally questionable action.

Regards the 'top 100' bad things argument.
If there are 10 murders and 1000 burglaries in your city,do the police ignore the burglaries until the murders are solved? If there are millions of tons of pollutants being dumped and thousands of seals being clubbed do you ignore the seal clubbing until the pollutants are gone?

It's also a question of 'being ABLE to do something'. E.g. I can do very little or, more likely, nothing to stop the next million tonne oil spill that hits the headlines but I can stop wearing fur/leather.

does anyone else read this as though he said eating is morally questionable?

yes, pollutants are more important to deal with than seals being killed

 

[KnightRider0717]

... Only humans have the luxury of infinite growth (yet I believe we'll all see where that takes us...). All I'm getting at is that these seals that are clubbed very well may have died of starvation, and what a sin that would be. ...

nope, theres a few things needed for growth of a population such as a stable food source as so is space. now... for human population to infinitely increase there would have to be an even larger food source for the population to be sustained like you've pointed out as the seals food source isn't great and they could starve to death. so to have this food supply and room for the expanding population is impossible as matter cannot occupy the same space as other matter

Well I thought I covered that with the little quip (yet I believe we'll all see where that takes us...), and the answer was a terrifying tomorrow. All I can say about that is best of luck to you and your kin on whatever part of the planet you live on.

no, you said that there would be problems, if you meant that we can always reproduce your statements still wrong since all life does that, being able to reproduce is a characteristic of life.

you said a moment ago that you take it personally against your country, so i assume you're canadian, but you also believe seal hunting should be done by natives. unless you're from newfoundland like i am you probably wouldn't understand the need for employment and how insulting this topic can be towards this place. yes, it's insulting towards canadians but i wouldn't say it's as insulting as having the people of your province being called savages for making a living.

now, as far as i see it, there is no problem with the seal hunt. yes animals die, so what? there always will be death as long as there's life and it's not as though the population isn't able to reproduce and grow since i'm sure we all know seals are considered living. it's also not like there aren't regulations considering the number of seals caught. you've also pointed out that they are not endangered, therefore there's no problem. if they did become endangered the hunt wouldn't happen, it's actually very simple and if a persons reasoning behind being against the hunt is simply because the babies are cute, they don't deserve to have a say in the matter.

Look I think you misread me my friend to the north, I'm about as cold and calculated as they come so bare with me. Human population, seriously, simply said s**t is going to hit the fan, as with every civilization to ever grace the lands, just this time it could be big.
Every statement I have made has been for the seal hunt so...
I support the native population in their seal hunts which create loopholes for everyone to take advantage of. Did I call you a savage in any way?? No, but then again you are from Newfoundland. I kid, sorry about all that.

you never did specifically go against the hunt, i never said you were but it may have seemed that way although it wasn't intended, however i was pointing out flawed aspects of your statements. also with the way the human population is nothing will hit the fan. the only problems are that of ones that destroy the environment like pollution. that's a very different issue in itself and is caused by us because as a group we're idiots

But hey we live in Canada, Hoo Ray!!!! My god is it ever roomy up here, all this fresh water too, my isn't it nice. The winters only seem to be getting warmer. Yeah I think we'll be alright, but don't expect the same for the continent of Africa when temperatures spike and there isn't enough grain or even fuel to transport. When Canada becomes paradise the middle just may be a desert.

i know, winter was great this year from the stand point of someone who hates cleaning snow off their car before class hah

 

[Serioli]

This is my kind of thread.

If God didn't want us to eat animals, then why did he make them out of food?

Meat is just simply too good to go without.

Hate to tell you but you are made of food too. (Taste like pork by accounts I've read).

[Item] is made of food = we should eat that food = justify cannibalism?????

If you genuinely believe it is your God that says you should eat food however, then to quote Hermes Conrad: 'I respect your religious beliefs to the extent the law requires'

 

[Calgetorix]

it's not that i think it's a good idea to hunt animals until there's none left, by reading my post i'm sure you've noticed that i am a newfoundlander. look at the newfoundland fishery and how i said that work is needed and tell me why i'd suggest hunting/fishing animals down to the last few. it's not that i think there's a lot and thus should die, it's more along the lines of the population isn't threatened and thus can decrease without very serious issues. if it was noted that the population is getting destroyed i know the seal hunt wouldn't go ahead.

I understand. I have to say I don't know your situation very well and since I think it's a balance between what's needed to survive/live well and then luxury, I can't really say much intelligent about it : )

 

[Serioli]

10 000 years I mean come on, seriously I'm not saying we're the pinnacle of perfection but sweet jesus we've come far, hell we have gone farther than any other species could have glimpsed. Try to count to 12 Million and tell me when you've stopped and decided to go about living your own short life, do know that things will change though.
As far as the necessity of it all goes please consider what is unnecessary about it all? In the grand scheme of things I personally believe Humans are much better than this whole thing, this planet, or solar system. I'm all for preservation, just be rational about it. Of the top 100 things people are doing to destroy the environment and the planet, how can it even be possible seal clubbing would be on there. These native seal hunters aren't up there mowing through the whole herd, but I know if there was a little seal farm up there and pretty little moccasins got shipped all around the world in fancy ozone damaging plastic wrap I wouldn't here word one from USA Today?

Sorry,I feel you mis-interpreted the 10,000 yrs thing. That was an irrelevent number. I am agreeing with you on that part i.e veganism would not have worked 10,000 or 100,000 or 12,000,000 or [insert arbitrary evolutionary timescale here] years ago. My perspective is that although [action] may have worked [arbitray] years ago or even been necessary and desirable does not automatically justify it now.

'We've always done it' is a poor argument for continuation of a morally questionable action.

Regards the 'top 100' bad things argument.
If there are 10 murders and 1000 burglaries in your city,do the police ignore the burglaries until the murders are solved? If there are millions of tons of pollutants being dumped and thousands of seals being clubbed do you ignore the seal clubbing until the pollutants are gone?

It's also a question of 'being ABLE to do something'. E.g. I can do very little or, more likely, nothing to stop the next million tonne oil spill that hits the headlines but I can stop wearing fur/leather.

does anyone else read this as though he said eating is morally questionable?

yes, pollutants are more important to deal with than seals being killed

*Blink blink* Please highlight/bold the part that says eating is morally questionable because I genuinely don't see it....

 

[AntiAntagonist]

I do think part of the outcry is too do with "clubbing", it does not sound very humane, and provokes public revultion. If you shot the animals like most hunters do, there would be less of an outcry. After all, nobody complains about elk hunting or peasant shooting. Clubbing does not sound very efficent- so why do they have to do it?

The reason for clubbing and the relevant public outcry is that baby seals have very soft fur. The clubbing is needed in order preserve as much fur as possible while still killing the seal.

In addition to the killing of immature individuals of the species (heck, even I don't eat veal) the resulting body is only used for its pelt. Said pelt is then only ever used for decadent, expensive (re: upper-class only) merchandise.

Therefore not only is the clubbing considered cruel to the animal that is killed it is also considered wasteful and out of touch with the rest of society.

 

[ShaqLevick]

10 000 years I mean come on, seriously I'm not saying we're the pinnacle of perfection but sweet jesus we've come far, hell we have gone farther than any other species could have glimpsed. Try to count to 12 Million and tell me when you've stopped and decided to go about living your own short life, do know that things will change though.
As far as the necessity of it all goes please consider what is unnecessary about it all? In the grand scheme of things I personally believe Humans are much better than this whole thing, this planet, or solar system. I'm all for preservation, just be rational about it. Of the top 100 things people are doing to destroy the environment and the planet, how can it even be possible seal clubbing would be on there. These native seal hunters aren't up there mowing through the whole herd, but I know if there was a little seal farm up there and pretty little moccasins got shipped all around the world in fancy ozone damaging plastic wrap I wouldn't here word one from USA Today?

Sorry,I feel you mis-interpreted the 10,000 yrs thing. That was an irrelevent number. I am agreeing with you on that part i.e veganism would not have worked 10,000 or 100,000 or 12,000,000 or [insert arbitrary evolutionary timescale here] years ago. My perspective is that although [action] may have worked [arbitray] years ago or even been necessary and desirable does not automatically justify it now.

'We've always done it' is a poor argument for continuation of a morally questionable action.

Regards the 'top 100' bad things argument.
If there are 10 murders and 1000 burglaries in your city,do the police ignore the burglaries until the murders are solved? If there are millions of tons of pollutants being dumped and thousands of seals being clubbed do you ignore the seal clubbing until the pollutants are gone?

It's also a question of 'being ABLE to do something'. E.g. I can do very little or, more likely, nothing to stop the next million tonne oil spill that hits the headlines but I can stop wearing fur/leather.

Try and stop me from wearing my baby seal underwear, because they're so god damn silky smooth! All that I'm saying is there is next to nothing you can do about the seal hunt, you can do just as much if not more about the oil spill because you live in a petroleum addicted society which is a much bigger problem. These seals mean absolutely nothing to you in the long run, but that oil tanker raises a whole lot of questions even if it isn't leaking. So lets all talk about what really matters, especially if that's all we can do anyway.

 

[KnightRider0717]

10 000 years I mean come on, seriously I'm not saying we're the pinnacle of perfection but sweet jesus we've come far, hell we have gone farther than any other species could have glimpsed. Try to count to 12 Million and tell me when you've stopped and decided to go about living your own short life, do know that things will change though.
As far as the necessity of it all goes please consider what is unnecessary about it all? In the grand scheme of things I personally believe Humans are much better than this whole thing, this planet, or solar system. I'm all for preservation, just be rational about it. Of the top 100 things people are doing to destroy the environment and the planet, how can it even be possible seal clubbing would be on there. These native seal hunters aren't up there mowing through the whole herd, but I know if there was a little seal farm up there and pretty little moccasins got shipped all around the world in fancy ozone damaging plastic wrap I wouldn't here word one from USA Today?

'We've always done it' is a poor argument for continuation of a morally questionable action.

does anyone else read this as though he said eating is morally questionable?

yes, pollutants are more important to deal with than seals being killed

*Blink blink* Please highlight/bold the part that says eating is morally questionable because I genuinely don't see it....

 

[Calgetorix]

does anyone else read this as though he said eating is morally questionable?

yes, pollutants are more important to deal with than seals being killed

Well, he does have a point when he says (and I'll try not to put words in his mouth, but) eating meat worse morally than a vegetarian diet. We can get the needed nutrients from a diet which is way less damaging than our current one but still choose the current one because we like it more. From a rational standpoint, we are actually doing something irrational.

 

[EMFCRACKSHOT]

nobody complains about peasant shooting.

Sorry, but that just made me think of guys on horseback chasing down peasants XD

Of course, i think there are easier ways to kill the seals. They may not be as much fun, but still, maybe a bullet is a little more humane than a club

 

[Lord Mountbatten Reborn]

I can't even understand the OP. Apart from what seems a stream of non-sequiturs, I know it's attempting to defend seal hunting, but somehow humanity "falls" to a pinnacle. How?

I also didn't understand the rest, but it insulted hippies, among others, so it sounds rather like a troll to me.

 

[PinkAngelKitty]

You lost me when you called Paul McCartney an unbalanced drug addict :|


Also when you said all that stuff with no scientific evidence and whatnot. :|