Slaughter in the Arctic circle??

[ShaqLevick]

I can't even understand the OP. I know it's attempting to defend seal hunting, but somehow humanity "falls" to a pinnacle. How?

I also didn't understand the rest, but it insulted hippies, among others, so it sounds rather like a troll to me.

A troll, seriously... To start humanity is obviously on top of the food chain (or the pinnacle) and we're most definitely the apex predator in any environment. And Hippies, really. I mean who's a hippie anymore? Human society has broken down into so many classifications that in my opinion if you're not just a human being then you're hiding behind a persona, you could just be a scenester hippie freak. But words certainly mean very little to those that read between them.

You can't "fall" to a pinnacle. You climb.

And the rest of what you said there still made no sense.

Oh you got me. You are correct sir, Humans have climbed all the way to the top of the food chain. Maybe I should have done a rough draft before posting to the Escapist forums...

There's a lot of hate out there, especially on the internet. But taking one word out of context means you didn't put a lot of thought into the general statement. Is there hippie hate here, no it was just a word. I thought it was used to encompass all the people vehemently opposed to seal clubbing, from the hippies, beanie baby collectors, preteen girls, unusually emotional people, Buddhist, and still none of that actually matters.

 

[punkrocker27]

one hit to the back of the head can sever the spinal cord and since signals can't get sent to the brain that there's injury it doesn't get interpreted as pain, you can't always be sure it'll be a kill shot and you also risk damage to the meat and coat

That doesn't exactly answer my question, since a bullet can accomplish the same thing. Can you always be sure that a club will instantly kill the animal as well? Or that it doesn't feel anything above the broken vertabrae?

That's not my main point however. I was just agreeing that it would be better PR management to call it "seal hunting" with a bylined "for the betterment of the environment" instead of "seal clubbing."

 

[KnightRider0717]

one hit to the back of the head can sever the spinal cord and since signals can't get sent to the brain that there's injury it doesn't get interpreted as pain

That doesn't exactly answer my question, since a bullet can accomplish the same thing. I just think it would be better PR management to call it "seal hunting" with a bylined "for the betterment of the environment" instead of "seal clubbing."

i forgot to put the gun part in my post first, i edited it when i realized

edit:
clubbing is a lot more efficient if done right. to do it right is very simple, hit the back of the head where the skull and neck meet with enough force and it's done

 

[ShaqLevick]

And yet has done nothing to show that he is unstable, or that he is addicted to drugs. Actually I think that statement reflected nicely on the rest of your post. :/ Unfounded and exaggerated.

Durr, it was an enraged rant. I'm sure Sir Paul is the tits, doesn't mean I pay any heed to his words of wisdom. Besides who needs facts this isn't my thesis on the cultural implications of the seal hunt, you really must agree that there is something more important to talk about every single day of the year.

Really? :|

If that was your point why did you even bother making this thread? Now we're talking about it. If you wanted to make that point you should have a made thread about anything other than the seal hunt. :|

Because, I read something and it upset me. As a Canadian I'm slightly offended, so when I read about the Canadian seal hunt I immediately am aware that there are more heinous acts being committed on genuinely endangered species.

So what I really wanted is public opinion on why this takes precedent.

 

[KnightRider0717]

And yet has done nothing to show that he is unstable, or that he is addicted to drugs. Actually I think that statement reflected nicely on the rest of your post. :/ Unfounded and exaggerated.

Durr, it was an enraged rant. I'm sure Sir Paul is the tits, doesn't mean I pay any heed to his words of wisdom. Besides who needs facts this isn't my thesis on the cultural implications of the seal hunt, you really must agree that there is something more important to talk about every single day of the year.

Really? :|

If that was your point why did you even bother making this thread? Now we're talking about it. If you wanted to make that point you should have a made thread about anything other than the seal hunt. :|

Because, I read something and it upset me. As a Canadian I'm slightly offended, so when I read about the Canadian seal hunt I immediately am aware that there are more heinous acts being committed on genuinely endangered species.

So what I really wanted is public opinion on why this takes precedent.

society has no idea what's important

 

[ShaqLevick]

one hit to the back of the head can sever the spinal cord and since signals can't get sent to the brain that there's injury it doesn't get interpreted as pain

That doesn't exactly answer my question, since a bullet can accomplish the same thing. I just think it would be better PR management to call it "seal hunting" with a bylined "for the betterment of the environment" instead of "seal clubbing."

Well I personally find ignorance offensive, no matter what it was labeled I'd still understand the facts through what ever venue I managed to stumble upon it. The fact that we as a people would propagate and pander to the ignorance of the many may be a solution, but it certainly isn't the right one.

 

[firedfns13]

Wait, What is the US Air Force doing in Canada?
see what I did there?

Anyways, I support the hunt, based on what you said. As I have no idea what really is going on then I can't really take a side to the issue.

 

[KnightRider0717]

one hit to the back of the head can sever the spinal cord and since signals can't get sent to the brain that there's injury it doesn't get interpreted as pain

That doesn't exactly answer my question, since a bullet can accomplish the same thing. I just think it would be better PR management to call it "seal hunting" with a bylined "for the betterment of the environment" instead of "seal clubbing."

Well I personally find ignorance offensive, no matter what it was labeled I'd still understand the facts through what ever venue I managed to stumble upon it. The fact that we as a people would propagate and pander the ignorance of the many may be a solution, but it certainly isn't the right one.

like i said, society is stupid. people believe everyone has an opinion. everyone may have an opinion but is it valid? depends if the opinion is fueled by ignorance, if so then no it's not valid and the people needed to be better educated about the subject matter

 

[KnightRider0717]

Wait, What is the US Air Force doing in Canada?
see what I did there?

Anyways, I support the hunt, based on what you said. As I have no idea what really is going on then I can't really take a side to the issue.

getting ready for the invasion

 

[punkrocker27]

one hit to the back of the head can sever the spinal cord and since signals can't get sent to the brain that there's injury it doesn't get interpreted as pain

That doesn't exactly answer my question, since a bullet can accomplish the same thing. I just think it would be better PR management to call it "seal hunting" with a bylined "for the betterment of the environment" instead of "seal clubbing."

Well I personally find ignorance offensive, no matter what it was labeled I'd still understand the facts through what ever venue I managed to stumble upon it. The fact that we as a people would propagate and pander the ignorance of the many may be a solution, but it certainly isn't the right one.

I don't claim to be an expert on the matter. I've never even heard it come up in conversation. You argue though that it is painless and serves an important purpose to the environment and economy. The reason behind alot of the hate it gets is probably because of the way it's named. Certain people will never bother to look further than the title when formulating their opinion on things. Case in point: "Capital Murder"

 

[punkrocker27]

clubbing is a lot more efficient if done right. to do it right is very simple, hit the back of the head where the skull and neck meet with enough force and it's done

-_-
i know that. i went back and edited my reply as well. I'm saying whatever the means are, just so long as they aren't animal cruelty, should justify the ends.

 

[KnightRider0717]

one hit to the back of the head can sever the spinal cord and since signals can't get sent to the brain that there's injury it doesn't get interpreted as pain

That doesn't exactly answer my question, since a bullet can accomplish the same thing. I just think it would be better PR management to call it "seal hunting" with a bylined "for the betterment of the environment" instead of "seal clubbing."

Well I personally find ignorance offensive, no matter what it was labeled I'd still understand the facts through what ever venue I managed to stumble upon it. The fact that we as a people would propagate and pander the ignorance of the many may be a solution, but it certainly isn't the right one.

I don't claim to be an expert on the matter. I've never even heard it come up in conversation. You argue though that it is painless and serves an important purpose to the environment and economy. The reason behind alot of the hate it gets is probably because of the way it's named. Certain people will never bother to look further than the title when formulating their opinion on things. Case in point: "Capital Murder"

i don't recall anyone saying that clubbing is better than guns because of the environment. however if you really want to get down to that think of where the materials for the guns and ammunition comes from and then consider how much is lost in the ocean while on the ice and wasted rounds and what not. a simple stick that can be used again and again is better and if it gets lost, screw it, go find a tree and you're ready to go again and it's also more biodegradable than a gun so yay

also i don't believe anyone claimed to be an expert and any topic.

 

[ShaqLevick]

I bet that any worthy man or woman with a well designed club could quickly end the life of most animals, especially a seal pup. Of course if this is a problem they could always spend a few more hours in the gym.

 

[Xojins]

So polar bears (or whatever hunts seals) kill seals by biting/clawing into them, tearing their flesh open while their still alive, people kill seals with a quick bash to the head, and we're the ones being cruel. *Rolls eyes*

I'm not saying that you should be able to go seal-clubbing for fun, but if it's for a legitimate reason people need to shut up about it.

 

[KnightRider0717]

So polar bears (or whatever hunts seals) kill seals by biting/clawing into them, tearing their flesh open while their still alive, people kill seals with a quick bash to the head, and we're the ones being cruel. *Rolls eyes*

I'm not saying that you should be able to go seal-clubbing for fun, but if it's for a legitimate reason people need to shut up about it.

yup, people don't realize the world is terribly cruel and there's no need to be wasteful by doing it for entertainment

 

[punkrocker27]

snip snap doop dap

urgh! me and knightrider are already kinda wrapping up that argument, but if you want to see the original points i made then go back and read my first post on this topic on the last page. it may have been lost in the confusion of trying to explain to everyone else but it's there.

 

[CarbonEagle]

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth but it sounds as if you don't mind hunting animals to endagerment. Do you think we, as humans, should be able to exploit nature to the greatest extent possible?

Hunting to extinction is the natural order of things. If seals were endangered would that stop a polar bear from hunting it? NO! If it were a baby would it hesitate? NO! It wants to eat something. Trying to protect these animals is against the natural order of things (how ironic). That said, protecting endangered species is still probably for the best.

Also a bullet is an inefficient way to kill something. If your shot by a bullet you need to bleed out to die. Bleeding out can take a very long and painful time. Compare this to severing the spinal cord, which will kill you VERY quickly, not to mention you cant feel your body and will likely go into shock if your still alive resulting in a painless dreamlike state. Supposedly the longest person to have lived after their head was cut off was 40 seconds (although the science behind this is a little questionable), bleeding out from a bullet wound can take hours. Clubbing is incredibly humane.

 

[ShaqLevick]

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth but it sounds as if you don't mind hunting animals to endagerment. Do you think we, as humans, should be able to exploit nature to the greatest extent possible?

Hunting to extinction is the natural order of things. If seals were endangered would that stop a polar bear from hunting it? NO! If it were a baby would it hesitate? NO! It wants to eat something. Trying to protect these animals is against the natural order of things (how ironic). That said, protecting endangered species is still probably for the best.

Also a bullet is an inefficient way to kill something. If your shot by a bullet you need to bleed out to die. Bleeding out can take a very long and painful time. Compare this to severing the spinal cord, which will kill you VERY quickly, not to mention you cant feel your body and will likely go into shock if your still alive resulting in a painless dreamlike state. Supposedly the longest person to have lived after their head was cut off was 40 seconds (although the science behind this is a little questionable), bleeding out from a bullet wound can take hours. Clubbing is incredibly humane.

Thank You! Clubbing is humane, and if anyone wants to see inhumane take a look at the common Orca coming at a Seal. And guns are just not the right way to go, if you miss the brain stem a seal will still live and feel all the pain of a hole in his face.

 

[punkrocker27]

Okay. Here's my argument which I've already regurgitated like twice by now (and it's just a rehash of some other forgotten poster's) After this you can discredit anything I previously said.

Whatever the means are, just so long as they aren't animal cruelty, should justify the ends. The reason behind alot of the hate it gets is probably because of the way it's named. Certain people will never bother to look further than the title when formulating their opinion on things. Case in point: "Capital Murder"

 

[KnightRider0717]

CarbonEagles right about the bullets. you can't be sure it'll be a kill shot unless it stops the heart. now who's a good enough shot to hit the part of the brain controlling the heart and lungs of a seal without seeing it and the deflection of the bullet?

if you sever the spinal cord no signal can get to the brain to be interpreted as pain, neither can signals from the brain to the heart so it stops beating and then the brain shuts down due to lack of oxygen