Slaughter in the Arctic circle??

[Lonan]

I don't live in the U.S., but I heard that PETA's headquarters are there. Anyone who lives near there, I ask you to complete a task few other men could, mainly because most people don't live near the PETA head office (no offense to your abilities)

YOU MUST PLANT THOUSANDS OF COCKROACHES IN THE PETA OFFICE, AND RECORD IT AS THEY SHREIK AND START KILLING THEM LEFT AND RIGHT. It's the only way. The world won't know the evil of PETA until it watches them slaughter thousands of innocent cockroaches in their own land. You must do this, for the GREATER GOOD. You must do this for the sake of all those 6000 fisherman who have lost much of their income because PETA's concerted campaign led to the E.U. banning seal products.

ESCAPISTS AROUND PETA'S OFFICE, UNITE!

 

[punkrocker27]

Thank you Bill Nye. A bullet to the head is slightly painful. Now do please tell us all why the sun is yellow. Lol Lonan, they used to be headquarted where I live but I'm not sure where they are now.

 

[ShaqLevick]

Okay. Here's my argument which I've already regurgitated like twice by now. After this you can discredit anything I previously said.

Whatever the means are, just so long as they aren't animal cruelty, should justify the ends. The reason behind alot of the hate it gets is probably because of the way it's named. Certain people will never bother to look further than the title when formulating their opinion on things. Case in point: "Capital Murder"

You are correct, but you have to admit that's just covering up the mess. It's like if you cleaned up the seal pup and put a bow on it everything will be alright. But I think my problem from the beginning was with the people who bought into that junk in the first place, sad, weepy people who should never have looked into such things but clicked on the link and got all sorts of defensive. However, they are more than happy to remain blissfully ignorant to the other issues of the day. Those people need a heaping spoonful of reality.

 

[KnightRider0717]

Okay. Here's my argument which I've already regurgitated like twice by now. After this you can discredit anything I previously said.

Whatever the means are, just so long as they aren't animal cruelty, should justify the ends. The reason behind alot of the hate it gets is probably because of the way it's named. Certain people will never bother to look further than the title when formulating their opinion on things. Case in point: "Capital Murder"

it's not really what it's called, sure "hunt" or "clubbing" is unappealing but it's because the people are uninformed that there's a lot of people against it. but even if it was called "happy seal fun time" people would still against it because of the pictures of the cute little pups and they think that people just smack the things until they die when in reality the pups aren't killed and there's science supporting the manner in while it's done as i've explained with the spinal cord getting severed. people just picture someone walking up to a while pup with a meat tenderizer and they want the hunt banned

 

[KnightRider0717]

Thank you Bill Nye. A bullet to the head is slightly painful. Now do please tell us all why the sun is yellow.

nuclear reactions involving hydrogen i believe

it's complex but i figured i'd give you what you asked for

 

[AntiAntagonist]

Also a bullet is an inefficient way to kill something. If your shot by a bullet you need to bleed out to die.

Hydrostatic shock and shock actually make bullets very effective at killing.

 

[punkrocker27]

it's not really what it's called, sure "hunt" or "clubbing" is unappealing but it's because the people are uninformed that there's a lot of people against it. but even if it was called "happy seal fun time" people would still against it because of the pictures of the cute little pups and they think that people just smack the things until they die when in reality the pups aren't killed and there's science supporting the manner in while it's done as i've explained with the spinal cord getting severed. people just picture someone walking up to a while pup with a meat tenderizer and they want the hunt banned

Don't you think that people would look more into it if the title wasn't so unappealing?

 

[KnightRider0717]

sure a bullet can instantly cause death, but it doesn't always work as you would hope, like i said before a few times, stop the signals to and from the brain and there will be no pain and no life

 

[punkrocker27]

You are correct, but you have to admit that's just covering up the mess. It's like if you cleaned up the seal pup and put a bow on it everything will be alright. But I think my problem from the beginning was with the people who bought into that junk in the first place, sad, weepy people who should never have looked into such things but clicked on the link and got all sorts of defensive. However, they are more than happy to remain blissfully ignorant to the other issues of the day. Those people need a heaping spoonful of reality.

The ladle is all yours. Get to work.

 

[WakeTheDead1]

Any footage on TV of seal clubbing a lot of the time shows a lot of the seals arent properly killed and are left to die painfully through loss of blood or brain damage or whatever. Now I know I might have just seen a biased report but to a lot of people with me included automatically think of a seal left painfully bleeding to death - but as i say i dont know anything about it, whereas if it was like the way they kill sheep i.e. an electrical charge to the brain and swift cut to the throat it might seem a lot more humane.

 

[ShaqLevick]

Also a bullet is an inefficient way to kill something. If your shot by a bullet you need to bleed out to die.

Hydrostatic shock and shock actually make bullets very effective at killing.

Not as good as a good old fashioned firm, solid clubbing to the spinal chord. Also in context there's also far less debris, noise pollution, and the general waste of resources.

 

[KnightRider0717]

it's not really what it's called, sure "hunt" or "clubbing" is unappealing but it's because the people are uninformed that there's a lot of people against it. but even if it was called "happy seal fun time" people would still against it because of the pictures of the cute little pups and they think that people just smack the things until they die when in reality the pups aren't killed and there's science supporting the manner in while it's done as i've explained with the spinal cord getting severed. people just picture someone walking up to a while pup with a meat tenderizer and they want the hunt banned

Don't you think that people would look more into it if the title wasn't so unappealing?

i know people most people don't care to become educated towards a topic. if it's unappealing does it really matter? the way it works isn't as brutal as people think, so if they want to believe that somethings wrong then there's no point to try to clear it up unless they want you to since they probably wont listen if you force it upon them. the issue with it is when people believe it's something horrible and go off and yells it from the rooftops

 

[Twad]

Im biaised here, but whatever, heres my two cents.

The "clubbing seal" deal is pretty mucha bout the "fact" that the young ones are CUuuuuuuuute.
If its cute, its EVIL to kill it, common sense be damned.
Medias love that kind of stuff and they make sure to cover it. A lot of old videos are shown as if they were factual of today's methods. (wich may of may not be true, i dunno, but i strongly doubt it)
Its the cause for idiotic and unpopular "stars" that want to associate their name with something cute and pointless. And there is a lot of money involved with it.

But right now, the problem also is that the polar bears have a hard time doing their jobs as predators of the things.. since there is a lot less ice around for them to walk on. SO the Seal population skyrocket, while the polar bears is decreasing (i got no proof of this, but it seems to be the current situation, so sue me)

Its not a problem with the killing, its a problem about public perceptions, manipulation and misinformation... and money, there is always big money somewhere around.

I find it funny (the whole hypocrisy) how people can condemn "seal clubbing" when millions upon millions of cute feathery chicks are litteraly grinded (the males ones dont produce eggs, hence they are useless) to a pulp. Calves are killed young because they taste good, thousands of cute cats are killed in ... "pet shops?" (Where i live its the SPCA, a place where they host strays and abandonned pets, hopefully finding them new owners) well, many are killed since people dont want them anymore.

If they are to whine and condemn the "clubbing" they should enraged at all the other stuff i mentionned, since it happens near them (not 3000+ km away from them in the middle of nowhere) but right next door and in much greater numbers that they can imagine.
.. but hey, all that industry guarantees cheap meat.. right? (exept the cat part,i hope) Or maybe meat grows in grocery stores pre-packaged?

/End rant.

Have a good day.

 

[ShaqLevick]

Any footage on TV of seal clubbing a lot of the time shows a lot of the seals arent properly killed and are left to die painfully through loss of blood or brain damage or whatever. Now I know I might have just seen a biased report but to a lot of people with me included automatically think of a seal left painfully bleeding to death - but as i say i dont know anything about it, whereas if it was like the way they kill sheep i.e. an electrical charge to the brain and swift cut to the throat it might seem a lot more humane.

And to this point I feel all that is required is a good old double tap, treat it like a zombie and make sure its down.

 

[AntiAntagonist]

So what I really wanted is public opinion on why this takes precedent.

Largely because we don't need seal pelts to survive.

While we do need food and clothing as well as all the "normal" stuff we get delivered to us day to day the pelts are superfluous to our existence. Not only that, but there are many other materials (both more plentiful and easier to get) that can do the same job. We've got leather from cows, cotton from plants and wool from sheep/alpacas/llamas. While some of those may have the same moral quandary of killing the organism from which they are derived none of them require the killing of an immature specimen of the species.

If the products of the pelts were not considered luxury items I doubt there'd be as much protest.

 

[Klarinette]

I'm trying to ignore that seals are really fucking cute. It just seems like a really shitty way to kill something/for anything to die, you know? Clubbing? Come on. How primitive of us...

 

[AntiAntagonist]

Not as good as a good old fashioned firm, solid clubbing to the spinal chord. Also in context there's also far less debris, noise pollution, and the general waste of resources.

I've never known killing to be 'less effective' for there being 'less debris' or 'noise pollution'. As to the waste of resources the killing requires not only the act of swinging the club, but as mentioned the regular exercise of the swinger, travel of said swinger not only to the actual location of killing (quite far from civilization), but also the search for the target.

The point you mentioned also does not take into account misses, near swings or whether or not the clubber even cares to avoid cruelty.

 

[WakeTheDead1]

Any footage on TV of seal clubbing a lot of the time shows a lot of the seals arent properly killed and are left to die painfully through loss of blood or brain damage or whatever. Now I know I might have just seen a biased report but to a lot of people with me included automatically think of a seal left painfully bleeding to death - but as i say i dont know anything about it, whereas if it was like the way they kill sheep i.e. an electrical charge to the brain and swift cut to the throat it might seem a lot more humane.

And to this point I feel all that is required is a good old double tap, treat it like a zombie and make sure its down.

I know, once i thought a seal was dead, turned my back and it bit my ankle, now im a seal, sucks

 

[punkrocker27]

it's not really what it's called, sure "hunt" or "clubbing" is unappealing but it's because the people are uninformed that there's a lot of people against it. but even if it was called "happy seal fun time" people would still against it because of the pictures of the cute little pups and they think that people just smack the things until they die when in reality the pups aren't killed and there's science supporting the manner in while it's done as i've explained with the spinal cord getting severed. people just picture someone walking up to a while pup with a meat tenderizer and they want the hunt banned

Don't you think that people would look more into it if the title wasn't so unappealing?

i know people most people don't care to become educated towards a topic. if it's not unappealing does it really matter? the way it works isn't as brutal as people think, so if they want to believe that somethings wrong then there's no point to try to clear it up unless they want you to since they probably wont listen if you force it upon them. the issue with it is when people believe it's something horrible and go off and yells it from the rooftops

Still worth a try though, right? If not, oh well, life goes on. Let people keep their opinions, invalid and misguided as they may be. Take comfort in knowing that you are at least willing to learn the truth, and that isn't something that can be taught. What someone else thinks will hardly affect you in the long run.

 

[ShaqLevick]

So what I really wanted is public opinion on why this takes precedent.

Largely because we don't need seal pelts to survive.

While we do need food and clothing as well as all the "normal" stuff we get delivered to us day to day the pelts are superfluous to our existence. Not only that, but there are many other materials (both more plentiful and easier to get) that can do the same job. We've got leather from cows, cotton from plants and wool from sheep/alpacas/llamas. While some of those may have the same moral quandary of killing the organism from which they are derived none of them require the killing of an immature specimen of the species.

If the products of the pelts were not considered luxury items I doubt there'd be as much protest.

Yet it still doesn't seem important, most of us live in capitalist societies (I guess we all do) and $ is clearly important and is scalable with the importance of life. It's foolhardy to pretend that chemical waste isn't dumped into our oceans every second. I guess it's just that there isn't enough money in it, clearly not enough to fund politics, with a few more lobbyist in Canada and the US they just might find the power to have Reagan himself rise from the grave to ease our sense of indignation.