So - the appeal of minecraft is?

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Sixcess

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Halceon said:
I'm willing to bet that a depressing minority of people who play minecraft would be able to create something in a more fluid-graphics environment that looks even half as good as their minecraft creations. It's a matter of precision - the more precise the graphics, the more precise your work with those graphics must be.
Agreed.

Visually at least, the most impressive creative sandbox I've ever seen is Second Life, but to do something good from scratch in SL you basically need the skills and tools of a pro 3D graphics designer, and it is far far less intuitive than Minecraft.

Which is one reason why Minecraft is a phenomenal smash hit, and SL is still stumbling around looking for an actual reason to exist.
 

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Why do these kind of threads exist?
Why can't people fathom varying opinions?
"please explain/I don't see the appeal of " is just a slightly more passive way of saying "Why don't you have my opinon?" or "Why are you playing this crap?"
DustyDrB said:
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The answer, as always: individual differences.
Person speaks truth.
 

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Minecraft is the new Portal. It's becoming trendy to hate it.
Why is everyone implying I hate minecraft? At the very best, I'm slightly annoyed it's 2011, and people still release games, I can't physically play. I was merely looking for reasons for this particular games massive success, and people have so far brought up several valid points, why a more grind-happy person then I am might like the game. I still wouldn't play it, even if I could, but I've heard parts of what I wanted to find out, which was the point of this thread - but at which point did I hate on the game?
 

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Again, please don't comment on something you have a rather vague grasp on.

tahrey said:
Lookit me I'm indie omg must defend.
grar I don't like minecraft's visuals
IRaithI said:
I'm indie! Must defend minecraft!
Blah blah blah I don't like minecraft because the graphics are bad and I can't tell why everyone loves it

1. Dude, you made an entire THREAD on something you have a rather vague grasp on.

2. I think the best way to put it is like this. You click World 1. You spawn. Around you, you see an entire world, 8 times the size of the surface of the Earth, being created around you, block by block. This is an excellent metaphor for the game itself. EVERYTHING around you is just blocks. Blocks as easily placed by you as they are by the editor. But, before you can place them, you need to earn them. After the world finishes spawning, what happens? This is the important part. What happens?

Whatever you want.

That's right. Whatever you want. First thing you know, you need to survive. You get some wood, build picks, torches and weapons. Then what? You need to make a home, to live through the night. Now that you've lived through the first night, you have a base. Now you can concentrate on not just surviving, but flourishing. You're all alone in this absolutely massive world, nobody to tell you what to do or how to do it. The entire world bends to your will. What'll you do? Build a giant doom fortress, maybe, that's the general approach. Okay, tme for your doom fortress.

Here, however, is where the main difference between something like the oblivion level editor or garry's mod and minecraft shows itself. No spawn menu. If you want to spawn a block, you'd better damn well have a block. In my case, for the wooden flooring alone, I used well over 10,000 wooden planks. I had to chop down god knows how many trees, planting saplings where they stood to ensure I have access to more wood, clear the land to have a flat base, build up a proper outer wall, smelt the glass for my skylight, pick every single goddamn flower that I put in my garden (Yes, I have a garden. It's very pretty.).

My point being, the block construction system may not be the prettiest, but goddamn it, it's mine. This is MY fortress of doom. It's MY rooms, MY torches, MY floors. It's MY walls, MY turrets, MY giant booby traps in the entrance and treasure rooms, MY lava waterfalls and moat. I had to dig down to the goddamn bedrock and beat up Fred fucking Flintstone (Well, in all fairness, it may have been a zombie, but with how dead that show is, might as well have been) in order to get the dozens and dozens of buckets of water to fill my moat and run my waterfalls. This fortress was built with my stones. My stones, that I worked to tear from the earth, using my blood, sweat and tears as the mortar.

That is why minecraft is better than your basic level editor. Every block, every plank, every lump of coal. I EARNED that stuff. My world was generated with no surface coal, I had to hunt for that shit. I spent god knows how long hunting for it. When I found my first vein of coal, they don't have words for how overjoyed I was. Let's see you get that kind of joy out of a spawn brick button. For my garden (Yes, I have a garden. It's very pretty.) I spent three (minecraft) days searching the hills, mountain ranges and valleys of my world for the single red rose to finish my flower arrangement. Again, the joy and satisfaction on climbing a monstrous peak, all the way above the clouds, to find the final red rose on its peak, and the feeling of self satisfaction as I planted it among its fellows on my garden. As it so happened, it was almost sunrise when I planted that last flower. I turned on my jukebox, put in a green record and climbed the stairs to the roof. As the music played and I watched the sunrise, I looked out across the world. Do you know what I saw?

Possibility.
 

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Zannah said:
Sixcess said:
Minecraft is the new Portal. It's becoming trendy to hate it.
Why is everyone implying I hate minecraft? At the very best, I'm slightly annoyed it's 2011, and people still release games, I can't physically play. I was merely looking for reasons for this particular games massive success, and people have so far brought up several valid points, why a more grind-happy person then I am might like the game. I still wouldn't play it, even if I could, but I've heard parts of what I wanted to find out, which was the point of this thread - but at which point did I hate on the game?
I threw that in as a general observation, not as a direct response to your OP.

That said, your OP basically says "This game looks like shit, why do people like it?" so you really shouldn't be surprised if people take it as a hater thread. If anything I was commenting on the people who tend to flock to any thread on Minecraft (or Portal) just to say how overrated they think it is, regardless of whether or not that was being discussed.
 

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I don't see the point either my friend but that didn't stop me from spending a few days on construction. Now I don't play it because i started to think back on my time on haven and hearth and why i did the exact same thing over there as on minecraft. And that is to build towards something bigger, but that's not on minecraft.
Also to all of you who decided to quote yahzee, saying you don't have to work for your stuff in tes-kit. I do not know if you think that for real or not, if you got the words from yahzee or not, if you had that idea before yahzee or not, but please, find your own words. Because, i know his opinion, he voices it well, and im not sure about the rest of you but, i do not take yahzee's opinion as an argument from "you" anymore since from "you" it holds no meaning.
 

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I think the dividing line really is just what people will accept, visually. For me, Minecraft is just too ugly to enjoy, even though I love the creation core. That's it, end of story. The inability to enjoy ugly games has spoiled more than a few other wildly popular titles for me.
 

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Just watch an episode of a let's play series or two, perferably by someone that is inexperienced in playing the game. X's adventures was very good.

Personally for me I like not being told how I was supposed to play the game (ie. quests, go here do this) If I want to do something in MC I just go do it. If I want to explore a random world, which doesn't exist in 99% of all games on the market I can, thus the world I play never gets stale, I just move on to another area.

If I want to build a giant tower for mobs to spawn in and then grind them up for weapons and TNT, I can do that. And the efficiency to which I collect those items is based solely on how well my design is. Sure I could look up the "right way" to build it, but then I feel like I'm watching youtube to see how to do a boss fight in WoW.

Additionally everything that you do in the game feels like it has a purpose. If I go exploring it's to find another cool cave to explore or a neat area of land. If I'm digging in a cave it's for raw materials to build my rail car system. If I build a structure it's to keep me safe from monsters at night, and maybe show off to my friends playing on our server.

The point is, that the game is a very true sandbox that doesn't tell you what to do or how to do it. Take Oblivion for example as a sandbox (and I haven't messed with the TES so I won't go there), but take Oblivion and other "sandbox" games like it. Sure you can go do whatever aside from the main quest but there isn't any lasting accomplishment in whatever you run off and do. In Oblivion if you find a random hut in the middle of no where and some monsters, that hut and it's monsters will always be there, nothing you do will ever change that unless you edit the game. If you enjoy it and want to keep coming back, you can, but it will never ever be genually altered by your actions, except maybe the death of an NPC.

In MC if you find a cool cave to explore you will most likely build a shelter there with a work bench and a chest so that you don't have to keep going back and forth to your main base of operations. And maybe you like the area so you decide to create a rail line that will zip you there. And maybe you find a spawner in the dungeon and decided to set up a trap so that you can collect items off of dead mobs. Whatever you do you're doing in real time as monsters and other environmental stuff is trying to kill you. And I dare say that dungeons in MC are as thrilling or more thrilling than most other games becuase of the randomness to them, nothing is scripted to jump out at you at point A or point B, so you never know what is coming.

Graphically, that was my initial hang up too. Looking at it and thinking, "Really it's a game with a bunch of blocks?" But really it works for the game. Heck my brother is a huge graphics snob but he loves MC after giving it a shot with an open mind.

Watch a GOOD let's play episode or two (seananners stinks IMO) and you'll see why people like it, if that doesn't do it, then it's just not your thing. But above is why I like it.
 

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drummodino said:
-Samurai- said:
Your problem seems to be with the graphics, and if you're one of those people, no answer will please you.

The graphics don't make the game. The gameplay does.
Exactly my view as well. Graphics are probably the least important aspect of a game.
I've been playing StarCraft: Brood War for about 8 years now, and now I also play MineCraft.

Graphics? wat dat?
 

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Sixcess said:
Minecraft is the new Portal. It's becoming trendy to hate it.
Sixcess said:
If anything I was commenting on the people who tend to flock to any thread on Minecraft (or Portal) just to say how overrated they think it is, regardless of whether or not that was being discussed.
Seriously? You just can't win! If you're an early lover/hater against the crowd, you're an automatic troll. If you're a later lover/hater with the crowd, you're an automatic follower. :p

So the lesson is: If you have an opinion that isn't supported, shut the hell up about it or face the flames. :D Internet peer pressure?
 

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VondeVon said:
Sixcess said:
Minecraft is the new Portal. It's becoming trendy to hate it.
Sixcess said:
If anything I was commenting on the people who tend to flock to any thread on Minecraft (or Portal) just to say how overrated they think it is, regardless of whether or not that was being discussed.
Seriously? You just can't win! If you're an early lover/hater against the crowd, you're an automatic troll. If you're a later lover/hater with the crowd, you're an automatic follower. :p

So the lesson is: If you have an opinion that isn't supported, shut the hell up about it or face the flames. :D Internet peer pressure?
No, the lesson is that you don't have to voice your hate valid personal opinion in every thread about the game.

Let me give you an example. Fallout 3 is a very popular game which I personally despise. Now, if I see a thread entitled "FO3 - good or bad" I'll be right in there with the naysayers , because the quality of the game is what is being discussed. If, on the other hand, I see a thread entitled "Your favourite moments in FO3" I will stay the fuck away because it's a thread for people that have already decided they like the game.

Negativity has it's place and can spark some excellent discussion - but there are some topics on the Escapist... Minecraft, Portal, Valve/Steam etc... that attract haters like flies to shit, regardless of what the actual topic of the thread is.
 

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So, everyone, especially around this forum, seems to love minecraft. But why?
Sure, I get that building stuff is fun. I even get Yahtzees argument, of working for set fun. But how does that set minecraft apart from say the tes-construction kit? I've spent hours on that, both in morrowind and oblivion, building obligatory doom fortresses, and a castle that literally let me look down on the imperial city. And I'm pretty sure, combat in oblivion or morrowind, at least with a few readily avialable mods thrown in, is more fun, then wailing a sword at suicide creepers. Building something good in the tes-kit is at least as much work, as is building your own villa in minecraft, but there's one substantial difference in the result.

What baffles me, with all the minecraft love, is this: How can it be fun to build something, and knowing every second of the way, that no matter how much care and effort you put into it, it will always, always, always look like the kind of dump, someone would take after two hours of viewing 4chan (once you see it etc)? Why build something that can (at least by my aesthetic standards), not possibly ever look appealing? Sure, graphics aren't everything, but they are, when the whole point of the game is constructing something that's to your liking - they're the most important part in that case.

Now I am well aware, that playing an indie game, as opposed to using the creators provided by triple a titles, magically infuses you with moral superiority from beyond the veil of time and space, but I just can't see, how that can make up for graphics from a time where I wasn't allowed to play more then an hour of videogames in a row, because my already sicklish eyes, glasses or not, can only take so much abuse.

So please, try to explain dear reader, what makes minecraft so much more appealing then the tons of tools available that provide the same elements with superior graphics?
The biggest point for me is the games code. Ability to adapat and add new things. This game doesn't have a huge amount of things to do at the moment. But its not too difficult for them to add in new ideas. In time this game will allow you to do things other games couldn't even dream of because the code allows total freedom of combination. Of Blocks, of Ingredients, of Tactics. You'll never be stuck on a single path down a long tunnel. Unless you happen to dig one and have a weird personal quirk. But the software will never do it.
 

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3) I couldn't even play it with those graphics, if it was the second coming of christ, I'm just trying to find out *why* people find it fun.
You aren't trying to find out anything. You're trying to prove to us why we shouldn't like it. Any reasons we throw at you starting with 'Its fun in a way we can't desrcribe' you just ignore or rebut. you don't want an answer. you want to troll.
 

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Sixcess said:
VondeVon said:
Sixcess said:
Minecraft is the new Portal. It's becoming trendy to hate it.
Sixcess said:
If anything I was commenting on the people who tend to flock to any thread on Minecraft (or Portal) just to say how overrated they think it is, regardless of whether or not that was being discussed.
Seriously? You just can't win! If you're an early lover/hater against the crowd, you're an automatic troll. If you're a later lover/hater with the crowd, you're an automatic follower. :p

So the lesson is: If you have an opinion that isn't supported, shut the hell up about it or face the flames. :D Internet peer pressure?
No, the lesson is that you don't have to voice your hate valid personal opinion in every thread about the game.

Let me give you an example. Fallout 3 is a very popular game which I personally despise. Now, if I see a thread entitled "FO3 - good or bad" I'll be right in there with the naysayers , because the quality of the game is what is being discussed. If, on the other hand, I see a thread entitled "Your favourite moments in FO3" I will stay the fuck away because it's a thread for people that have already decided they like the game.

Negativity has it's place and can spark some excellent discussion - but there are some topics on the Escapist... Minecraft, Portal, Valve/Steam etc... that attract haters like flies to shit, regardless of what the actual topic of the thread is.
I don't think I've ever posted a picture response, but I'm in such agreement
Hold on...let me Google this.
 

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strigon33 said:
Zannah said:
3) I couldn't even play it with those graphics, if it was the second coming of christ, I'm just trying to find out *why* people find it fun.
You aren't trying to find out anything. You're trying to prove to us why we shouldn't like it. Any reasons we throw at you starting with 'Its fun in a way we can't desrcribe' you just ignore or rebut. you don't want an answer. you want to troll.
Explain to me good sir, how physical inability somehow makes me a troll, at which point I have stated anyone liking it isn't free to do so, and in which way your response is even remotely helpful?
 

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Am I the only one where who doesn't care of the building stuff part here? I play minecraft because I want to explore them dank caves.

Mission objective? Find and eliminate as many spawn torchie thingies as possible. And collect the mossy cobblestone for my awesome wall of victory.

OK, I may be building a fortress of moss cobblestone and I may have a glass tower in the middle of the ocean BUT I STILL LIKE EXPLORING THEM CAVES! I've also dug an entire mountain to the ground just because I could.

Can't do that in any other game I recon
 

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dude have you seen any of the stuff these people have made? seriously, mindbogglingly gorgeous.

the internet scares me sometimes.
 

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I have used the TES construction kit, (Morrowind not Oblivion, but from what I hear they're pretty much the same), and creating things on it is a completely different experience. There's no challenge to build something on the construction kit, only effort. The enjoyment from that is more of a satisfaction from crafting something, and it is all about the end product. Minecraft is similar, in that creating something and receiving that satisfaction is the long-term goal, but it also makes the process of building up to that point fun, and this is where it really succeeds, you're having fun at every moment.
 

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A. Accessability.

B. Sometimes, the aesthetics are perfect, and you get a rush from creating something awesome.

C. The survival horror elements that come from the FREAKING CREEPERS.
 

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The reason Minecraft is so successful is BECAUSE it looks like crap. It encourages you to build REALLY BIG structures that look good when you look at the whole thing.
Also, it has cake. Your argument is invalid.