So... why do we all agree Final Fantasy 7 is one of the greatest games ever?

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Atmos Duality

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It was NEVER the "Greatest game ever made". I've said that since I first stumbled onto the internet and it's an argument I will (in futile fashion) make till I die.

FF7 was simply the most POPULAR JRPG of its time, and given how much the JRPG market has shrank over the last 5 years, it's safe to say that its importance is grossly exaggerated today.
Time has not been kind to Squaresoft's perceived Opus.

That been said, it's one of the very few jrpgs that does foreshadowing very well; it's one of those very few games I've gone back and played as an adult where (most of) the story still stands up in the details. The future FF titles were either trying to be too vague for the purposes of dropping a plot twist, or made no sense at all(what was the point of the plot for FF8 again? Actually, what was the plot PERIOD?).

I loved the division between cyberpunk and modern tech it set at the time (magic being manufactured and sold in equip-able modules rather than being this totally vague, misunderstood force). The comically evil corporation replaces the comically evil empire, with Shin-Ra being this giant evil conglomerate that's still made of decent people; people who are blissfully unaware of the damage they're doing to the world around them.

The game is not without problems. Several characters are token in nature or do absolutely nothing for the plot short of their ability to kill time.
(Red XIII is probably the worst of the lot, eliminate every scene he's in, or is referenced to and notice how it doesn't change anything. It makes no plot holes nor does his involvement extend the lore of the world they occupy.)
In the end, he's just a token furry thrown into the title because he looks cool.

The antagonist loses a LOT of his punch midway through the game when you realize what he's trying to accomplish (and how contrived/stupid it is in practice) or the fact that you haven't actually been following him all along, but the mind-controlled body of his "half-mother".
Of course, for the last 10 years, the Legion of Internet Jaggoffs that practically reinvented the term "fanboy/fangirl" will insist that Sephiroth is the Ultimate Badass because he has a giant katana, dresses in black leather, and has long hair.
...sorry, started to rant there a bit.

On the brighter side, Tifa isn't the token pair of bouncing tits 95% of the internet makes her out to be [sub](safe-search is your friend...safe-search is your friend...safe-search is your friend...)[/sub]; she's shockingly important to the plot, and the game tries hard to subtly show her conflict because what she knows could potentially (and DOES) break Cloud's mind.
...Of course, this is all GROSSLY overshadowed by the perceived love triangle with Aeris and the most overrated not-spoiler in gaming history, so most people tend to overlook this fact.

My problem with FF7 isn't with the (misused term #2) "emo" protagonist (which he isn't. The guy has severe psychosis); it's with the oddball pacing of the title in general. In the span of one hour, we go from an arena fight at the world's most ludicrously designed casino to investigating a temple that will kill you if you try to take the McGuffin away from it. This shows up later between the snowboarding minigame and the equivalent to "Land's End". The transitions between segments can be ludicrously jarring while the difficulty bounces around before settling on "pathetically easy".

Pacing and story issues aside, the game was a technical marvel for 1997. However, it also marked the beginning of the end for Squaresoft's proper usage of the term "role". See, every character in FF7 is identical due to Materia being modular. This wouldn't be a problem (FF6 used Magicite to enhance already established roles) except that without differentiation between the lot, I have no incentive to use any character except those the plot isn't shitting all over, or the ones that look coolest.
FF9 briefly lapsed into sanity before finally pulling the plug on character role altogether (FFX International has all the characters starting in the center of the Sphere grid, before you make the argument).

So, now that I've killed about 25 minutes, I'm posting this and running off to class.
Toodles!
 

thiosk

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Everyone knows that super metroid is the greatest game ever made. FF7 was a fantastic game for its time, but hasn't aged quite as well.
 

Wondermint13

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So long as nobody allows the old graphics to sway their opinion of Final Fantasy 7, You might notice that it is a game worthy of praise. For what exactly? Take your pick. The game delivered more than any gamer could ask for of its time, from its content to its beautifully written and well-paced story.
I can never hold any game as the 'Greatest Ever' so I'm not saying it is. But hell it was a damn good game that deserves a place in history atleast.

Am I fair?
 

Reaper195

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It was the first really 3D FF game that was as large and full of things to do, with such a deep and engaging story.
 
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Oh for god sake man you've been on this site for over a year and haven't noticed the complete and utter pile of hate for everything JRPG especially FFVII even from the JRPG fans. I don't mean to sound bad by that but it is in every thread with this sorta topic. It is a good game whether any one likes it or not that is their business. It stands up just as well as any other FF from that time (VI, VIII, IX) except in the graphics department and even that is only character models.

Seriously in every thread even tangentially involving FF games and I have said this many many times before and I will say it many many time until I eventually get banned or leave the site which ever happens first. Everyone likes to think it seems relevant which it actually is in this thread to point out that FFVII is not their favourite FF and that either VI, IX maybe VIII or X is their favourite. There is also the odd IV. No FF is the best they are all more or less equal if you prefer one over the other it does not make one inferior like people seem to think. When it comes to FF games we all need to lose the damn rose tinted specs and look at them for what they are.

I will say it FFVII is my favourite but I appreciate all others equally. Yes I understand it is not a great game by today's standards but neither is Doom or Half Life or Daggerfall or even Baldur's Gate. They are still good games don't get me wrong but the industry has moved on and evolved very few games are better earlier in the series(eg. PoP and no this is not nostalgia as I played recent ones first then played PS2 era and before ones).

They are all good solid games can we please stop making a big deal about them. They are the most overhyped and overcomplained about games ever probably at this stage. Maybe only Halo and CoD beating them in that department. The game did so much for the series in terms of evolution. Whether you think the change was good or not is your opinion. Unless you were really playing games at the t ime or go back and compare games made around the same time on the same console you will never ever see the impact it made or understand why it made that impact.

Anyway life moves on things evolve why can't we the gaming community move on from this game? Us going on about it is just as bad as the fanboys/girls going on about it. Sometimes you just have to let thigns go and move on.
 

mjc0961

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I don't think the game is great. I do think it's important, but not in the way most others do. I find it's the reason so many JRPGs are bad these days; they're all trying to be like FF7, except I can't figure out why the hell they want to because FF7 wasn't really that good. Basically it's just a source of awful tropes that other game devs need to stop copying already.
 

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fanklok said:
joe90 said:
Perhaps ten years ago, it was the best game ever made (and i was a fanboy for oh so long)
I find it ironic that Setzer is your avatar.

I attribute most of the games love to nostalgia, the current gen of gamers where old enough to know which buttons to push right around the time that the PS1 was the hip cool thing to have and FFVII happened to be the first of the series on the system. Plus the attempts to vary gameplay with more then just combat didn't hurt either.
What can i say, i thought he was a badass! also i think FFVI has aged better, and a GBA port means i can play it on the go.
 

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You had to of been there to understand what it was. It's like how old people shit brix about technology and stuff no one cares about now. When it was 97 and you just came off super nintendo straight onto a ps1 and wuhbam you are playing ff7, I mean fuck me going from games super mario rpg, into final fantasy 7.

It was a first, first decent 3d, first cgi cutscenes, truly epic score, a darker less nintendo game.
 

fanklok

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joe90 said:
fanklok said:
joe90 said:
Perhaps ten years ago, it was the best game ever made (and i was a fanboy for oh so long)
I find it ironic that Setzer is your avatar.

I attribute most of the games love to nostalgia, the current gen of gamers where old enough to know which buttons to push right around the time that the PS1 was the hip cool thing to have and FFVII happened to be the first of the series on the system. Plus the attempts to vary gameplay with more then just combat didn't hurt either.
What can i say, i thought he was a badass! also i think FFVI has aged better, and a GBA port means i can play it on the go.
But the GBA version had the terrible atrocity of not letting Gau equip the Merit Award. I like my consistent 40k a turn.
 

joe90

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fanklok said:
joe90 said:
But the GBA version had the terrible atrocity of not letting Gau equip the Merit Award. I like my consistent 40k a turn.
When you have mega combos like soul of thamasa/celestriad and genji gloves/hero's scroll, and general awesomeness such as phantom wave, you miss yet another one... Boy that game is unbalanced...
 

super_mumbles

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I think it was pretty good. Solid story, mind blowing 3d graphics (for the time), strong cast of characters. It definitely wasn't the best but, like others have said, it was important in bringing RPGs into the mainstream, and in some cases introducing them to video games all together.

From some peoples responses you would think it was riddles with bugs or killed their family.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly was so "emo" about Cloud? I know Advent Children portrayed him as "dark" but in the game he just mostly seemed lone wolf-ish.
 

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I suppose it represented never-before-seen innovation on a scale that no one expected at the time. It is a -good- game on it's own and a good playthrough at least once. But it isn't the end-all-be-all of JRPGs, or RGPs in general.