So you discover that your girlfriend is transgendered.

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Aaeriele

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It seems like your problem is far more towards the "they lied to me, putting me in a position to do something I didn't want to do" as opposed to "they're trans". Please note that the OP didn't actually state anything about what you've done with said girlfriend... merely that they are your girlfriend. There's no requirement that you've had sex or anything else.


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Angryman101 said:
The fact is, it's not a woman. It's a male. You can change all the superficial structures on your body you want, it's still imprinted genetically as a male.
This is shallow - beyond reproduction what does genetics matter? Not to mention it completely ignored intersex conditions. Why is it so important to you that the person you consider a woman have precisely two X chromosomes and no Y chromosomes? Are you going to be examining their DNA on a regular basis?
 

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Angryman101 said:
This isn't a fucking writing contest, please stow away the pretentious purple prose and get to the point before I develop cavities from the egregious sugar coating.
My condolences, but this is the manner in which I write. Had I been taught to to be less verbose my text might prove less offensive to you, but that is aside from the point. Egregiously, I continue to type multisyllabic words and complex-compound sentences. I'm sure that you'll continue to live up to your name Angryman101.

The point? Your privilege is showing.

I'm sure we'd both prefer it if I got back to my dissertation. Experience neither equates to tolerance nor acceptance.

Besides:
Aaeriele said:
This is shallow - beyond reproduction what does genetics matter? Not to mention it completely ignored intersex conditions. Why is it so important to you that the person you consider a woman have precisely two X chromosomes and no Y chromosomes? Are you going to be examining their DNA on a regular basis?
This is exactly correct. Maybe your debate with Aeriele will prove less overwrought.
 

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s0denone said:
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I would freak out. Honestly, I'm dating a guy? Seriously? Come on.
I don't care much for hormone-induced breasts, or fake vaginas. You conned me into thinking you were a woman, and didn't think to tell me you were not? "Then you would never have given me a chance" - damn right I would not, but that doesn't mean it all "worked out in the end".

The person in question would have been weaving a web of lies. There's no going back on that.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but "Hormone-induced breasts"?
I assume by that you mean you just don't like breasts full-stop, as without hormones, no one would have them.
And "I'm dating a guy"? No, you're not dating a guy. Just because some people are lucky enough to be born without a birth-defect that makes their life rather unpleasant, doesn't mean that all people share the same luck.
MadCat55329 said:
Thank you for that, showing that not everyone is suffering from ignorance. Too few people who posted in this thread know anything more than the fact of people going from male to female, or vice versa.
Oh, and Angryman may not be able to reply for a while... that is what one gets for throwing around personal insults, and I just like to link such cases to mods...
 

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I would feel cheated and wouldn't believe I could trust the person so I'd have to leave her.
 

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Plurralbles said:
I would feel cheated and wouldn't believe I could trust the person so I'd have to leave her.
See, this I could understand to some extent - though you might also want to consider what point into the relationship you are, and the risks said individual would be taking to tell you about their past. After all, the person is showing you at least some trust by telling you at all (assuming they told you themselves).
 

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K, so I guess a little description of myself should come first, since this is my first post here.

So, I'm Chris, 20, male, straight, currently living in France, but I'm not french, I've had my fair share of shitty moments in my life, altho a lot less than a great deal of people, and I'm actually happy a lot of crap happened to me, because as they say, crap forges character, or whatever, I forgot.
I never watch TV, since I consider it to be shit and in the past 7 years, I've only wrote like 50 messages on a forum, all in about a month's time, since Internet has changed, it is now 99% populated by idiots, pre-teens and whatnot.
Also, I'd like to apologize in advance, I rarely get a chance to practice my english, especially in France, so I might make pretty nasty mistakes (you're welcome to correct them if you notice them).

Seeing some of the stuff on this thread, it just confirms the fact that most people are dumb as hell, of course, no offense intended, we're all just human, with parents and teachers that are all human, and therefore, incompetence is inevitable more often than not, but sometimes, it's just not an excuse.

Society has reached a point where people are dumbed down every waking moments of their lives, don't get me wrong, people are great, magnificent creatures, especially individually, but when faced with such bullshit (I hope I don't get banned for my "vulgarity") as "reality shows", "romantic comedies", and every other modern means of entertainment, since birth (such as dolls and action figures) and a life style where most of our needs are already covered, eighter by society or by parents, we don't FEEL the need for more, even less for any mental development, it's the NEED that makes the brain work, or most of us will let it rot.

Stupidity is what's got us here. Actually, it's not even stupidity, since I'm totally against classifying people as "smart" and "stupid", there is no such thing as intelligence, only WILL to use one's brain and not let it completely rot.

If people would use their brains for anything more than basic life support, there wouldn't be so many problems in the world, especially not war and hate.

Now to the topic, to be honest, as far as I know, I've never even seen a transgender, transexual, cisexual, cisgender, tranny, crossdressers or whatever (actually, I don't even know what "cisgender" is all about), tho I have a lot of les/gay/bi friends, some of them got raped/beaten for "what" they are. On the other side, I've NEVER had ANY prejudice against LGBTs, ever, and it's something I take pride in. Well, I often make "sexist" and lesbian jokes, cuz hey, lesbian action IS hot, and women, well ... they're women :D.

Tho, I do know how it is to ask yourself questions, about a lot of stuff (I often ponder on society as a whole). And I've got to ask myself this: what does it matter that Mr. X loves sucking dicks or that Ms. Y loves licking bushes or that Z was a guy/girl/monkey/single-cell organism? We're all still human beings.

As far as stereotypes go, I'm half-male-stereotype, half-woman if you will.
I love making sexist jokes, I love getting higher than a kite, I hate watching sports, for it's useless, I'd be better off playing them, at least that way, I'll get buffer, I don't fuck, I make love, so that makes me something in-between, I guess, even tho a lot of people consider me a fine example of pure male, since I talk like one, I shave/cut my hair whenever I feel like it, since I don't give a crap about how I look, even when going out or when I'm interested in a woman, I very much enjoy burping (even in front of hordes of people), everyone knows when I'm taking a dump or when I go take a piss...

What I mean is, why would we be grossed out and why would we hate something we've been so fortunate to never experience? Sure, I'd hate my girlfriend turning out to be a transexual (I usually employ the term "tranny", since I'm not into the whole "gay is bad but homosexual is good" trend, because basically, they're just another word to describe the same thing), but that would be for a whole bunch of other reasons, not just because she used to have a dick.

I'd be more concerned by the fact that no matter what I'll do, she'll never be able to be fully happy, enjoy her looks and body, because as far as I know, medical science is still too primitive so that trannies can actually FEEL anything that's happening between their legs, so, naturally, I would feel useless and sorry for her at the same time, I know I won't be able to change the fact that her past will forever haunt her or the fact that she might actually want babies of her own, out of her own flesh and blood, which is another thing I'd never be able to give her, and let's not forget the constant work a tranny's body needs, like hormone injections and the whole medical array that comes with the surgery.

Guys from the LGBT community have it harder than most of us, even when they fully embrace "what" they are. It's not their fault that they're different, and hell, if everyone was alike, where would the fun be in that? We'd all be stereotypes, no matter what, wouldn't we?
Besides, it's even harder for them to find a decent partner since there aren't all that many fish in the sea for them if you get what I mean.

Besides, I'm guessing that trannies have it the hardest, since in a way, they'll always consider themselves partially "damaged", because they can't have their own naturally-born kids, and I know for a fact that for a woman, even a man, not being able to provide something to your significant other that most other people could provide, isn't that great for self esteem, and from what I know about them, MtF trannies are still mentally women, even if born with dicks.

And since when loving a "transgirl" makes someone gay? She looks like a girl, acts like a girl, even smells like a girl, so where's the difference?

That said, my eyes hurt today, dunno why, so I'mma end this here. Oh and, for our kids' sake, don't let them watch TV :D.

Oh, and Cerealnmuffin, I'd have some questions if you don't mind/I'm not bothering :).

Oh and kids, don't do drugs and alcohol ;) (unless it's weed, that one's safe, unless mixed with other stuff).
 

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Aaeriele said:
Plurralbles said:
I would feel cheated and wouldn't believe I could trust the person so I'd have to leave her.
See, this I could understand to some extent - though you might also want to consider what point into the relationship you are, and the risks said individual would be taking to tell you about their past. After all, the person is showing you at least some trust by telling you at all (assuming they told you themselves).
well, if I was told after the third date or so, or within the first six months everything would be fine, but three days before the wedding and later, I think I'd leave her, at least, until children, then of course that little piece of info would be a moot point when considering their welfare.

chris89300 said:
massive snip because frankly, i dont' give a damn

Oh and kids, don't do drugs and alcohol ;) (unless it's weed, that one's safe, unless mixed with other stuff).
Dude, putting any kind of smoke into the body is going to do damage, fuck. Yeah, let's all pretend we care about people and then tell them they should smoke illegal pot. yep. Sure.
 

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chris89300 said:
I'd be more concerned by the fact that no matter what I'll do, she'll never be able to be fully happy, enjoy her looks and body, because as far as I know, medical science is still too primitive so that trannies can actually FEEL anything that's happening between their legs, so, naturally, I would feel useless and sorry for her at the same time, I know I won't be able to change the fact that her past will forever haunt her or the fact that she might actually want babies of her own, out of her own flesh and blood, which is another thing I'd never be able to give her, and let's not forget the constant work a tranny's body needs, like hormone injections and the whole medical array that comes with the surgery.
Actually, medical science is doing better in this regard. Natural reproduction is still out obviously, but as far as sensations go things have come a long way.
 

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Plurralbles said:
well, if I was told after the third date or so, or within the first six months everything would be fine, but three days before the wedding and later, I think I'd leave her, at least, until children, then of course that little piece of info would be a moot point when considering their welfare.
Seems reasonable enough to me. I'd say if someone's asking for marriage, there's either enough trust there to tell/be told about being trans, and if there isn't, well, the request for marriage shouldn't be accepted/made in the first place.
 

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Dude, kids are going to do drugs anyways. If you tell them to not do any drugs, they'll just do them all, outta pure spite, but maybe if you tell them that pot isn't that dangerous, but others are (as scientifically proven, alcohol is far worse than weed ...), they'll just go a little easier on them.
For the wedding thing: as Aaeriele said.
 

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(Dunno how to edit)

Aaeriele, maybe, but I doubt it's the same thing as a natural vagina, sensation-wise.
 

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Honestly, I wouldn't really care. They are still the same person I fell in love with. I would still end the relationship though. I want my own kids one day and it would be pointless to drag the relationship out.
I don't understand all the rather appalling comments from some of the people on here. Why do you have a problem with people trying to become more comfortable with who they are? Emotionally they are still the same person, so why does it really matter if they used to be a guy/girl or whatever.
 

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chris89300 said:
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Aaeriele, maybe, but I doubt it's the same thing as a natural vagina, sensation-wise.
It's not even the same from one XX individual to another, so in the end it's all a gray area.
 

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chris89300 said:
(actually, I don't even know what "cisgender" is all about)
"Cisgendered" is a term that essentially means "not transgendered." It may be a slightly unfair term to use, as only people who are already informed on these issues are likely to use it.

For further reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

Welcome to The Escapist! As is common to the internet, the discussions can get frustrating sometimes, but the portal's content tends to be worthwhile. I appreciate your addition to the discussion, it seems to come from a very open place.

EMFCRACKSHOT said:
I want my own kids one day and it would be pointless to drag the relationship out.
There are other options, though they can get complicated and expensive as well (i.e. surrogate parenthood, assuming "I want my own kids" rules out adoption). One thing to remark on about transsexuals is that due to the nature of their existence they're often both knowledgeable and open to a very wide spectrum of parenthood.

Reproduction can understandably be an insurmountable hurdle for relationships in general, especially when one of the people involved is infertile.
 

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Greyfox105 said:
s0denone said:
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I would freak out. Honestly, I'm dating a guy? Seriously? Come on.
I don't care much for hormone-induced breasts, or fake vaginas. You conned me into thinking you were a woman, and didn't think to tell me you were not? "Then you would never have given me a chance" - damn right I would not, but that doesn't mean it all "worked out in the end".

The person in question would have been weaving a web of lies. There's no going back on that.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but "Hormone-induced breasts"?
I assume by that you mean you just don't like breasts full-stop, as without hormones, no one would have them.
I'm talking hormones inducting sexual characteristics of the opposite gender, which I'm sure you are aware of but still decided to cite my lack of apparently acceptable phrasing for lulz.

And "I'm dating a guy"? No, you're not dating a guy. Just because some people are lucky enough to be born without a birth-defect that makes their life rather unpleasant, doesn't mean that all people share the same luck.
First of "No, you're not dating a guy." Weeeeeeeeeeeell yes I am.
Regardless of "birth-defect" (you know, their actual genitals and all) and whatever else you attribute as "defects" and "misfortune".
These people are still, technically, their original gender. The one they were born as.

What's with all the lectures on morals? I'm different from you, stop trying to force your sexual-openmindedness on me. I will not go and bash a transsexual, but there is no chance I would even consider continuing a relationship if such a thing is kept from me the first four months, and then revealed.
If revealed before we have sex for the first time, then I'd definitely have to consider it more thoroughly, and I cannot guarantee that I would break up.

In the words of the great Angerman101:
"I don't have a problem with trannies, nor do I have one with pillow biters, rug munchers, or any other sexual orientations. Once I have sex with someone who was once and is still currently biologically a man, however, that's crossing a serious threshold that I am in no way ok or comfortable with, especially if I've been intentionally deceived about what I'm getting into."
 

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s0denone said:
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I'm talking hormones inducting sexual characteristics of the opposite gender, which I'm sure you are aware of but still decided to cite my lack of apparently acceptable phrasing for lulz.
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First of "No, you're not dating a guy." Weeeeeeeeeeeell yes I am.
Regardless of "birth-defect" (you know, their actual genitals and all) and whatever else you attribute as "defects" and "misfortune".
These people are still, technically, their original gender. The one they were born as.
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You have no idea of the difference between Gender and Sex, do you?
No surprise, very few people in this thread seem to. Ignorance is rife in this thread.
Well, seeing as you don't even have a clue, I suppose there is no point continuing this... joke... of a conversation.
Good day.
 

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I'd ditch them. I view such a thing as a mental defect. Harsh? So be it. It's my opinion and its my right.
You have the right to believe whatever you want but the real problem with your opinion is not that it is harsh; it's that it objectively wrong.

Phenom828 said:
I know... it's a bit of a double standard.
not really

DarkHourPrince said:
If you loved them before you found out, then finding out should change NOTHING.


If it does, they obviously didn't care for them as deeply as they said in the first place.
That's an interesting point. I think it's valid if the only reason you break up with them is because you think it's disgusting. Love is caring about someone else more than yourself so you obviosly don't love them if you can't prioritize their happiness over your disgust (which you have every right to feel). There are valid reasons to cease loving someone though and because they lied to you seems like it should be one of them.


cerealnmuffin said:
Sorry to come on so strong; it's just sad to see so many people dehumanizing trans people.
No one I?ve seen here seems to be dehumanizing anyone. The comments I've read have been quick to point out that they don't have a problem with transgendered individuals on an intellectual level but only on an emotional one. That's unfortunate but I see nothing "dehumanizing" about it.

Maelgwyn said:
If you dont like it, then thats your problem, not theirs.
If only more people in the world understood this.
 

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WayOutThere said:
AccursedTheory said:
I'd ditch them. I view such a thing as a mental defect. Harsh? So be it. It's my opinion and its my right.
You have the right to believe whatever you want but the real problem with your opinion is not that it is harsh; it's that it objectively wrong.
Someone who thinks they are something they are not is a mental defect in my opinion. I view it the same as someone who believes they're dead (A real disorder), an alien (Again, real), or a rock (Probably real, though I'll be damned if I know).
 

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"No one I've seen here seems to be dehumanizing anyone. The comments I've read have been quick to point out they don't have a problem with transgendered individuals on an intellectual level but only on an emotional one."---Wayout There

Usage of the pronoun 'it' denotes an object or thing, so using it towad a transngeder person because you don't agree with them is referring them as non human. The phrase 'it's a trap' is actually really harmful and implies that transgirls are not real girls and only exist to lead men into homosexuality, also reduces transwoman into being an object that only exists for sexual purposes.

I am not saying everyone is doing this. There have been many supportive posts and people who have basically said they would be cool with the trans person if they were they were friends instead of dating partner, and I am find with that. Just upset when cisgenders use wrong pronouns because somehow they feel experts of determing someone else's identity or even worse use pronouns meant for objects.
 

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AccursedTheory said:
WayOutThere said:
AccursedTheory said:
I'd ditch them. I view such a thing as a mental defect. Harsh? So be it. It's my opinion and its my right.
You have the right to believe whatever you want but the real problem with your opinion is not that it is harsh; it's that it objectively wrong.
Someone who thinks they are something they are not is a mental defect in my opinion. I view it the same as someone who believes they're dead (A real disorder), an alien (Again, real), or a rock (Probably real, though I'll be damned if I know).
Um, do they believe that their sex is different from what it is? No, they believe that their gender is out of alignment with their sex, which is true.

In case you're not aware, gender and sex are not the same things:

http://www.med.monash.edu.au/gendermed/sexandgender.html