Sony: We Are an Innovative Company

[Zealous]

Ha! He jests. Sony, a innovator? No more than Microsoft and Nintendo.

 

[Something Amyss]

Amaranth: LOL Sony.

 

[Jared]

Stealing ideas from Nintendo before Microsoft did doesn't make you innovative. =/

Nope! Just makes them thieves!!!

They move along with the times, but, only by jumping on bandwagons

 

[edgeofblade]

There's a VAST difference between "innovative" and "business savvy".

And also:

"Attention Escapist shoppers: Trophies. That is all."

 

[captaincabbage]

So Sony is essentially saying this..

Isn't simply a tricked out version of this..

I sense shenanigans.

"Goddamnit! I swear I'll pistol-whip the next person who says 'shennanigans'."
"Hey Farva, what's the name of that diner with all the crazy shit on the walls?"

OT: Personally I see no similarities between the two. I mean, one's white and the other's black! That's two completely different shades!

 

[mad825]

now, Blue-Ray!?!?! Ha! it's a failure in terms of getting the technology mainstream, it wastes so much space and cost far more than regular DVDs, discs are futile since the introduction of internal Hard drives.

There's a lot wrong with this sentence (not counting the fact that it's a run-on sentence).

I do enough spelling/grammar checking in my own time, this is my free-time so I will do what I like Mr/Mrs Pingieking

Blu-Ray doesn't "waste" space. People who don't utilize them waste space. It's also more expensive than DVDs because it's newer and holds more stuff.

any they wont they utilize them? perhaps the longer developer time that's needed or the the fact the PS3's hardware capabilities are not up to scratch?
anyway, regardless Blu-Ray is not needed and wont be needed for a very long time, thus they have failed.

I love how you see discs as unnecessary with the invention of internal hard drives since internal hard drives are older than discs.

we are talking about Console gaming here....Don't go off-topic.

 

[Irridium]

Well in terms of games they sure have the lest franchise milking. Except maybe Ratchet and Clank but the games have always been really fun.

Prediction: This thread fills up with console fanboys quicker than a Lara Croft strip show...

Query: WHERE IS THIS STRIP SHOW YOU SPEAK OF!?

Puzzled query: Why are we talking like HK-47?

Answer: Because its awesome.

Statement: I conquer.

 

[Irridium]

we are talking about Console gaming here....Don't go off-topic.

The xbox, PS3 slim, Wii, and 360 slim all have internal hard drives.

 

[VulakAerr]

If he has to say it...

Sony is a long way down the list of companies I'd describe as innovative. And yes, they would come below Microsoft.

 

[mad825]

we are talking about Console gaming here....Don't go off-topic.

The xbox, PS3 slim, Wii, and 360 slim all have internal hard drives.

no shit?

but internal HDDs (mass storage) are new to console gaming, Xbox introduced them and the next gen allowed digital distribution and disc burning, the last replier was taking about the overall existence of them.

 

[Irridium]

we are talking about Console gaming here....Don't go off-topic.

The xbox, PS3 slim, Wii, and 360 slim all have internal hard drives.

no shit?

but internal HDDs are new to console gaming, Xbox introduced them and the next gen allowed digital distribution and disc burning, the last replier was taking about the overall existence of them.

Oh, I see.

My mistake.

 

[Nifty]

It's a question of semantics. Someone already mentioned this before me on the first page the definition of innovate being to create or tweak/improve upon an existing idea. In that sense Sony have shown that they are willing to innovate themselves in order to keep up with the market.

 

[Falseprophet]

A while ago I watched a video from MovieBob's gaming blog "The game overthinker" where he analizes Sony's big succeses in the console market arguing that their biggest advantage in the last two generations lied in their oppononents mistakes, rather than their capacity for innovation.
Bob is kind of too nintendo-infatuated for his own good but the video itself is very well done. I encourage you to watch it.

The biggest problem with that video was Bob holding up Nintendo as the barometer of success in the console industry, while handwaving the fact that Nintendo's success owed a lot more to tyrannical business practices than innovation. Nintendo dominated the console market by ruthlessly shutting out competitors via exclusive contracts with 3rd-party developers, and by retaining tight control on software manufacturing.

Whether Nintendo's business practices ca. 1985-1994 were ethical or not is another debate. Maybe the industry at the time needed a monopoly to fix the anarchy that led to the Crash of 1983. There's no argument they were successful. But Nintendo's innovation on the NES consisted of the Super Mario franchise, the Zelda franchise, and Metroid. Maybe Punchout, Kid Icarus and the Light Zapper. Otherwise, innovations like Robbie and the PowerGlove were generally failures. I personally have fonder memories of 3rd party titles like Megaman and Castlevania.

 

[cefm]

Much like beauty, "innovative" is in the eye of the beholder. And it doesn't mean shit to call yourself innovative, good looking, or good in bed. It only matters if someone ELSE is saying it about you.

 

[mad825]

any they wont they utilize them? perhaps the longer developer time that's needed or the the fact the PS3's hardware capabilities are not up to scratch?
anyway, regardless Blu-Ray is not needed and wont be needed for a very long time, thus they have failed.

What a silly way of looking at things. So the company(s), that come out with new tech, and aren't ready to utilize it to it's fullest immediately are all failures? So....Nvidia, ATI, Microsoft, Sony, hell, every single manufacturer in every industry on the planet, is a failure in your eyes? LoL. By the way, Sony didn't solely make Blu Ray, so focus your angst to the Blu Ray group, not just Sony.

/faceplam

my original argument just says that Sony failed to make Blue-Ray mainstream in gaming
as it has now made me to quote myself:

it's a failure in terms of getting the technology mainstream (for gaming)

 

[Flying-Emu]

1) Move is an innovation on the PS2's Eyetoy.
2) Blu Ray's an innovation in storage capacity (whether you agree with it's uses thus far, is irrelevant, you don't get to decide what constitutes innovative or not)
3) Home is an innovation on SoE's Second Life
4) The Cell Processor is an innovation on microprocessor technology


People trip over themselves to denounce Sony when they try to talk about their position in the industry. Seems kind of childish and stupid. Don't we _want_ companies taking risks and going in a new direction? Core gamer fanboy's may stomp all over Nintendo for their transgressions, but the fact is the Wii was an innovation (on pre-existing Motion Control tech, that arguably started with other companies), took things in a new direction and was successful.

Personally, I agree, Sony's broken allot of new ground since entering the video games industry. And for the better, imo.

1) No, Move is nothing like the EyeToy. The EyeToy's big draw was that it didn't require a controller. Move does require a controller. The Move is a blatant ripo-... sorry, 'improvement' of Nintendo's Nunchuk system. They can claim that it's based on the EyeToy, but I have two questions: Why is it NOTHING like the EyeToy, and why would they create a new product based on the EyeToy, considering how it was a complete failure.

2) Sony didn't invent the Blu-Ray, they just put it in their consoles. Which could be argued for innovation, I suppose.

3) Home was also a failure, wasn't it? I'm not too versed in Playstation Home, so you'll have to excuse me if I'm incorrect. Last I heard, next to nobody used Home on a regular basis.

4) Granted.

I completely agree that innovation is a vital part of keeping this industry growing, but really? The Move is not an innovation, no matter how you look at it. Sony is very much playing "Me Too!"

At least at this point. In the past they've made some dangerous leaps (I.E. introducing CD-ROM consoles, and adding Blu-Ray (since their machine would have been all but obsolete otherwise)) that have paid off, but Move... making the argument that it's based on the EyeToy is an interesting possibility, however unlikely it is.

I would think that Project Natal, or Milo, or whatever Microsoft is calling their motion gaming platform would be a closer relation to the EyeToy.

 

[Jackle_666]

Sony's Innovation: Eye Toy, SingStar, Buzz, Blu Ray, Echochrome, The Last Guy

Sony's Support of innovation: Team Ico, Quantic Dream, Okami, Noby Noby Boy, Thatgamecompany, Media Molecule.

Some of the stuff I mentioned here was Microsoft's for the taking, but it didn't smell of instant profit so they let it go. Sony never believed that Heavy Rain would make much money, yet published it anyway. That's why I like SCE more than the other two. They take risks on software the others wouldn't touch. Whats the point on creating new and innovative tech (Wiimote, Kinect) if the things that support it are generic cookie cutter concepts? Don't make this all about Move.

 

[BritishWeather]

in·no·vate
   /ˈɪnəˌveɪt/ Show Spelled [in-uh-veyt] Show IPA verb, -vat·ed, -vat·ing.
?verb (used without object)
1.
to introduce something new; make changes in anything established.
?verb (used with object)
2.
to introduce (something new) for or as if for the first time: to innovate a computer operating system.
3.
Archaic . to alter.


1) Move is an innovation on the PS2's Eyetoy.
2) Blu Ray's an innovation in storage capacity (whether you agree with it's uses thus far, is irrelevant, you don't get to decide what constitutes innovative or not)
3) Home is an innovation on SoE's Second Life
4) The Cell Processor is an innovation on microprocessor technology


People trip over themselves to denounce Sony when they try to talk about their position in the industry. Seems kind of childish and stupid. Don't we _want_ companies taking risks and going in a new direction? Core gamer fanboy's may stomp all over Nintendo for their transgressions, but the fact is the Wii was an innovation (on pre-existing Motion Control tech, that arguably started with other companies), took things in a new direction and was successful.

Personally, I agree, Sony's broken allot of new ground since entering the video games industry. And for the better, imo.

Bravo, good post. The Escapist seem to think they know better than professional huge companies who spend millions on testing new ideas and technologies to produce the best new product, without Sony the games industry would be a lot shittier

 

[Xrysthos]

I might disagree with that Sony is more innovative than other companies, but as far as consoles go I consider the PS3 to be an excellent piece of work. Which is why I bought it, instead of the 360. That and free online gaming, in addition to that I despise the 360 controller.