Student Suspended for wearing a dress.

[NightHawk21]

Uhm. Well I'm gonna play devil's advocate here, because well I want too and because I don't like people who provoke others and when other take notice play some victim (even if they weren't breaking any rules). That being said we know this kid already got suspended multiple times due to dress code violations (hats and whatnot). So while I don't know exactly how this school works, because I don't have the handbook outlining punishments and rules, but if he has multiple offenses the school may be more likely to suspend him faster and for longer if he broke dress code again (if this is a multiple violation I'm surprised he only got 3 days). In addition, we don't know what type of dress it is. Although my school did have uniforms for the majority of the time, there were quite a few days were uniforms weren't mandatory, but a new dress code applied stating what you could and couldn't wear. It prohibited things like really short shorts or skirts, tube tops, muscle shirts (wife beaters), etc. So if this kid wore a spaghetti strap short dress, yes wearing dress may have not been prohibited, but wearing short garments and spaghetti straps may have been, which the dress would than have violated.

Also, I'm not buying the mother and son's story. Having been a 15 year old boy, I find that story kind of ridiculous. More likely he did it as a bet between friends or to provoke a teacher and now his mother is just covering for him.

 

[Snowy Rainbow]

"Anyone who does something I think is stupid should be murdered on principle." Oh the irony!

A) Thats not irony.
B) "Pastafarians" are attention whores and idiots who only claim so just to insult and demean others. The world would be better off without them.
C) Way to take shit someone said and put a idiotic spin on it. You thinking of applying to Fox News?

Well, that's not very nice. A little less hating on people you don't agree with would do a world of good, eh?

Cool. You just remember that the next time Anon, Lulzsec or the WBC does something you don't like.

You want to compare two groups of vigilantes who have on numerous occasions broken the law and cost people money, and one backwards religious sect that protests veteran funerals and condemns people to hell for being born a certain way, whose leader has several pending sex abuse cases against him from his children, with a group who sarcastically call themselves a religion?

Your call. I wouldn't though.

 

[Dogstile]

He only wore the pants to be a troll.

If he was actually gender-queer or a cross dresser, I think it would have been different

I'm not agreeing with the school, but I'm not buying his and his mom's bullshit about it being a moral crusade. Fucking attention whores.

Wait what? It was a bet his mother made to make him see how difficult heels are to wear. There was no initial moral crusading.

That's what I'm saying.

I don't like the way they're turning it into one now.

Why? The school is wrong, and should be called out on it. Why force some future crossdressing student to deal with it later when these people can deal with it now and make it easier for any future students who it applies to.

But they didn't

You can't assume it would be the same situation. You can't say the school wouldn't have reacted differently. This was just a kid dicking around in a dress to get attention. He wasn't actually genderqueer, or anything.

Does that matter? Its the same thing.Suspended for wearing girls clothes, being suspended for 3 days is already to much and punishing him for doing so is just silly.

 

[GrimHeaper]

"Anyone who does something I think is stupid should be murdered on principle." Oh the irony!

A) Thats not irony.
B) "Pastafarians" are attention whores and idiots who only claim so just to insult and demean others. The world would be better off without them.
C) Way to take shit someone said and put a idiotic spin on it. You thinking of applying to Fox News?

Well, that's not very nice. A little less hating on people you don't agree with would do a world of good, eh?

Cool. You just remember that the next time Anon, Lulzsec or the WBC does something you don't like.

They have never done that for me.
What have they done to make you angry?

It disturbs me how many people in this thread think it should be considered normal for a male to wear a dress...In a school....with bullies.... It's not sexism or discrimination a LOT of schools don't allow you to wear certain type of clothes that might be "disruptive" only the most optimistic person in the world would not assume the kid is going to be bullied.

That said the sentence was harsh. But I can see the logic behind the dress gate"

So you suggest we (people) shouldn't be allowed to do anything because someone might bully us? Talk about oppression. "I'm sorry, homosexuals, you can't be homosexual and go to school anymore. Why? Well, you might be picked on!"

Isn't that technically picking on them though?

You can be homosexual..you can go to school......but what establishment would allow a student to wear a dress knowing that it would be very likely they would be beaten up regularly causing many problems. You cannot totally get rid of bullies. The boy is 15 and if he truly was bothered he'd wear dresses on weekends. His mother sounds like someone who will defend his disruption in the name of anything.

Many people can't wear many things to school: I can't go to school dressed as a burrito every day because the costume would be disruptive: who can learn English when a burrito is sitting next to you?

Damn it, hun! Now I'm hungry

No, but seriously: certain things make sense -- like not wearing a giant food costume to school -- but wearing a dress is fine. You can't stop people from being themselves because some people might want to stop them. That makes you as bad as them.

I know where you're coming from and I was bullied a LOT, but forcing people to conform to the "least likely to be bullied" lifestyle is just... wrong.

"The Messiah has been taking over the planet with a wave of pure bliss. It takes over Captain America?s body and tries to coax Deadpool to stand down. Deadpool has to choose between a world lacking pain and a world lacking expression. He comes to a decision: they will decide the fate of the world through a game of Rochambeau. The mind-controlled Captain America doesn?t know of the game, but plays along. Deadpool explains the concept by going first."

He only wore the pants to be a troll.

If he was actually gender-queer or a cross dresser, I think it would have been different

I'm not agreeing with the school, but I'm not buying his and his mom's bullshit about it being a moral crusade. Fucking attention whores.

Wait what? It was a bet his mother made to make him see how difficult heels are to wear. There was no initial moral crusading.

That's what I'm saying.

I don't like the way they're turning it into one now.

Why? The school is wrong, and should be called out on it. Why force some future crossdressing student to deal with it later when these people can deal with it now and make it easier for any future students who it applies to.

But they didn't

You can't assume it would be the same situation. You can't say the school wouldn't have reacted differently. This was just a kid dicking around in a dress to get attention. He wasn't actually genderqueer, or anything.

Does that matter? Its the same thing.Suspended for wearing girls clothes, being suspended for 3 days is already to much and punishing him for doing so is just silly.

And what if this said person wasn't queer or dicking around and just liked wearing dresses?

 

[Numb1lp]

Ah, the US. Land of the free indeed. This is fucking disgraceful that people still exclude other people simply for doing something different. And just to put this on a flat line for the school, you think that it being a dare from someone else it would have been all fine, considering he wasn't doing it to simply wear feminine clothing.

Ugh, I hate this world at the moment.

Do you think he was just wearing it, or was he being disruptive? You can't just assume there is nothing else to this story.

 

[silver wolf009]

Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43444840

"I was pretty," said Saurs.

That qoute alone makes me like this kid.

OT: The school systems of today have some really, really stupid rules. I'm currently on summer vacataion, but I plan to get a very thick robe for next year. I've got a bet going with a friend that a robe, a piece of clothing that completly covers my body, even with the hood down, will get me attention from a teacher in the hallways of my school while a girl with barely enough clothing to keep herself decent says hello as she walks past the two of us in a hallway.

 

[Svenparty]

It disturbs me how many people in this thread think it should be considered normal for a male to wear a dress...In a school....with bullies.... It's not sexism or discrimination a LOT of schools don't allow you to wear certain type of clothes that might be "disruptive" only the most optimistic person in the world would not assume the kid is going to be bullied.

That said the sentence was harsh. But I can see the logic behind the dress gate"

So you suggest we (people) shouldn't be allowed to do anything because someone might bully us? Talk about oppression. "I'm sorry, homosexuals, you can't be homosexual and go to school anymore. Why? Well, you might be picked on!"

Isn't that technically picking on them though?

You can be homosexual..you can go to school......but what establishment would allow a student to wear a dress knowing that it would be very likely they would be beaten up regularly causing many problems. You cannot totally get rid of bullies. The boy is 15 and if he truly was bothered he'd wear dresses on weekends. His mother sounds like someone who will defend his disruption in the name of anything.

Many people can't wear many things to school: I can't go to school dressed as a burrito every day because the costume would be disruptive: who can learn English when a burrito is sitting next to you?

Damn it, hun! Now I'm hungry

No, but seriously: certain things make sense -- like not wearing a giant food costume to school -- but wearing a dress is fine. You can't stop people from being themselves because some people might want to stop them. That makes you as bad as them.
I know where you're coming from and I was bullied a LOT, but forcing people to conform to the "least likely to be bullied" lifestyle is just... wrong.

Where is the filter though? Anyone can claim to "be themselves". This burrito costume represents the lifestyle I have chosen...and you just discriminated against me! a LOT of schools just have 1 simple uniform and THIS is why. Because equality applies to everybody: The uniform means poor kids won't be bullied and the same applies to the rich etc.

It's too much of a risk: Surely the kid can wait a bit and when he leaves school "express himself" like every other person. All wearing dresses in a school will teach him is that people can be cruel.

 

[GrimHeaper]

Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43444840

"I was pretty," said Saurs.

That qoute alone makes me like this kid.

OT: The school systems of today have some really, really stupid rules. I'm currently on summer vacataion, but I plan to get a very thick robe for next year. I've got a bet going with a friend that a robe, a piece of clothing that completly covers my body, even with the hood down, will get me attention from a teacher in the hallways of my school while a girl with barely enough clothing to keep herself decent says hello as she walks past the two of us in a hallway.[/quote]You should wear drapes and be LORD of the drapes!

It disturbs me how many people in this thread think it should be considered normal for a male to wear a dress...In a school....with bullies.... It's not sexism or discrimination a LOT of schools don't allow you to wear certain type of clothes that might be "disruptive" only the most optimistic person in the world would not assume the kid is going to be bullied.

That said the sentence was harsh. But I can see the logic behind the dress gate"

So you suggest we (people) shouldn't be allowed to do anything because someone might bully us? Talk about oppression. "I'm sorry, homosexuals, you can't be homosexual and go to school anymore. Why? Well, you might be picked on!"

Isn't that technically picking on them though?

You can be homosexual..you can go to school......but what establishment would allow a student to wear a dress knowing that it would be very likely they would be beaten up regularly causing many problems. You cannot totally get rid of bullies. The boy is 15 and if he truly was bothered he'd wear dresses on weekends. His mother sounds like someone who will defend his disruption in the name of anything.

Many people can't wear many things to school: I can't go to school dressed as a burrito every day because the costume would be disruptive: who can learn English when a burrito is sitting next to you?

Damn it, hun! Now I'm hungry

No, but seriously: certain things make sense -- like not wearing a giant food costume to school -- but wearing a dress is fine. You can't stop people from being themselves because some people might want to stop them. That makes you as bad as them.
I know where you're coming from and I was bullied a LOT, but forcing people to conform to the "least likely to be bullied" lifestyle is just... wrong.

Where is the filter though? Anyone can claim to "be themselves". This burrito costume represents the lifestyle I have chosen...and you just discriminated against me! a LOT of schools just have 1 simple uniform and THIS is why. Because equality applies to everybody: The uniform means poor kids won't be bullied and the same applies to the rich etc.

It's too much of a risk: Surely the kid can wait a bit and when he leaves school "express himself" like every other person. All wearing dresses in a school will teach him is that people can be cruel.

Making me hungry you can dress like a burrito if you want as long as I can dress like I want.

Well I mean... I want to wear ass-less chaps, but that doesn't mean I should.

And "I looked pretty" was the funniest thing that kid could have said. This kid sounds like he doesn't care at all.

and he shouldn't the school was more childish about it than he or his peers were. I prob would have asked "do I look pretty" as well, that's comedy gold.
and the best way I can demonstrate it is...bugs bunny himself

 

[Tdc2182]

Well I mean... I want to wear ass-less chaps, but that doesn't mean I should.

And "I looked pretty" was the funniest thing that kid could have said. This kid sounds like he doesn't care at all.

edit: Reminds me of when my Cross Country team almost got us detention for not wearing shoes. They sure put that in the handbook next year though.

 

[Ampersand]

He only wore the pants to be a troll.

If he was actually gender-queer or a cross dresser, I think it would have been different

I'm not agreeing with the school, but I'm not buying his and his mom's bullshit about it being a moral crusade. Fucking attention whores.

Wait what? It was a bet his mother made to make him see how difficult heels are to wear. There was no initial moral crusading.

That's what I'm saying.

I don't like the way they're turning it into one now.

In other words, they didn't set out to start a fight, but are prepared to defend themselves when they are attacked. That sounds pretty reasonable to me.
Also, since when is being an attention whore a bad thing :/?

 

[Zoe Castillo]

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[Aur0ra145]

Meh, if the dude is wearing high heels and a dress it could potentially cause class room disruptions. These disruptions would hinder the other kids in learning.

So, he has to wear stuff that in the past has not caused disruptions and/or are of the 'norm' for people his age, and from that area of the united states.

 

[Snowy Rainbow]

It disturbs me how many people in this thread think it should be considered normal for a male to wear a dress...In a school....with bullies.... It's not sexism or discrimination a LOT of schools don't allow you to wear certain type of clothes that might be "disruptive" only the most optimistic person in the world would not assume the kid is going to be bullied.

That said the sentence was harsh. But I can see the logic behind the dress gate"

So you suggest we (people) shouldn't be allowed to do anything because someone might bully us? Talk about oppression. "I'm sorry, homosexuals, you can't be homosexual and go to school anymore. Why? Well, you might be picked on!"

Isn't that technically picking on them though?

You can be homosexual..you can go to school......but what establishment would allow a student to wear a dress knowing that it would be very likely they would be beaten up regularly causing many problems. You cannot totally get rid of bullies. The boy is 15 and if he truly was bothered he'd wear dresses on weekends. His mother sounds like someone who will defend his disruption in the name of anything.

Many people can't wear many things to school: I can't go to school dressed as a burrito every day because the costume would be disruptive: who can learn English when a burrito is sitting next to you?

Damn it, hun! Now I'm hungry

No, but seriously: certain things make sense -- like not wearing a giant food costume to school -- but wearing a dress is fine. You can't stop people from being themselves because some people might want to stop them. That makes you as bad as them.
I know where you're coming from and I was bullied a LOT, but forcing people to conform to the "least likely to be bullied" lifestyle is just... wrong.

Where is the filter though? Anyone can claim to "be themselves". This burrito costume represents the lifestyle I have chosen...and you just discriminated against me! a LOT of schools just have 1 simple uniform and THIS is why. Because equality applies to everybody: The uniform means poor kids won't be bullied and the same applies to the rich etc.

It's too much of a risk: Surely the kid can wait a bit and when he leaves school "express himself" like every other person. All wearing dresses in a school will teach him is that people can be cruel.

So, transgender people have to live in more hell because others might give them a hard time? You're coming at this all wrong. You're making innocent people suffer and have to hide who they are because other people are assholes. Turn it around - stop the assholes. Won't be easy, but it's a lot better than mandating people lie to themselves. If someone feels they are female and wants to wear the female uniform, who are you to stop them? Shall we lock everyone's doors next, so people won't get mugged on the street?

Fight the crime. Don't make life shitty for the victims.

 

[Snowy Rainbow]

You want to compare two groups of vigilantes who have on numerous occasions broken the law and cost people money, and one backwards religious sect that protests veteran funerals and condemns people to hell for being born a certain way, whose leader has several pending sex abuse cases against him from his children, with a group who sarcastically call themselves a religion?

Your call. I wouldn't though.

You are the one preaching that we should not hate people who annoy us. Not me. So I am free to hate whoever I please and believe the world would be better off without these types of people. You are the one who now has to try to live by your own words.
So enjoy their next round of antics.

I'm failing to see the comparison here. Are you telling me disliking a group who routinely break the law is the same as hating a religious group that has no effect on you whatsoever?

It seems your a little angry and hot-headed. Maybe play some games and clear your head.

 

[GrimHeaper]

Meh, if the dude is wearing high heels and a dress it could potentially cause class room disruptions. These disruptions would hinder the other kids in learning.

So, he has to wear stuff that in the past has not caused disruptions and/or are of the 'norm' for people his age, and from that area of the united states.

they aren't learning anyway.
To learn you have to pay attention and want to learn ;P
I can literally ignore you right in front of me with my eyes open and go itno my mind.
But since most people have no imaginations anymore they text,whisper, and the teach doesn't really care. If they are learning anything it's only social interaction and not knowledge knowledge. I woudl say around... 90% of my school was like this.

 

[Snowy Rainbow]

I'm failing to see the comparison here. Are you telling me disliking a group who routinely break the law is the same as hating a religious group that has no effect on you whatsoever?

It seems your a little angry and hot-headed. Maybe play some games and clear your head.

No. What you are clearly doing is setting up a false dichotomy because you can not live by your own words. So, either man up and live by what you preach or admit that you have no case.
Either way, I don't care. I stick by what I preach.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[StarStruckStrumpets]

Living in the UK, I'm not surprised by this at all. Most schools smack you with the stick of conformism. In my school you're not even allowed two tones in your hair, let alone a different colour. If a student came in with visibly different tones, they'd be told to leave until they washed out.

It's seriously that bad. I might come off as a bit insensitive here, but I'm used to that kind of treatment by my so called "superiors" so...Yeah, the school is kinda wrong for doing that, but at the same time, why not just wear the heels at the weekend if it was part of a bet?

 

[Iron Mal]

I think I know why the boy was given such treatment by the school for wearing a dress, it wasn't because 'A BOY IN A DRESS!? PANIC! PANIC!IMMORALITY ALERT! IMMORALITY ALERT! SENSE OFFENCE!, but because we should all know better about how kids in schools work on a mental level, you are aware that kid would eventually get the shit ripped out of him, right?

Those of you who decry 'sexism!' and that anytime we say something that is for girls only is bad when men do it means 'women are inferior' I personally think need to get a grip, this was more likely than not about keeping the boy from getting potential abuse and bullying for wearing something that (if the reason he did it was a bet with his mother) he probably didn't really want to wear.

Ergo, the reason why we enforce standard uniforms up until college here in the UK.