Teenage rapist who was let off let off attacks again within days

[Shoqiyqa]

The guy obviously has something wrong going on in his head. He needs a LOT of help to get to the bottom of why he does this.

(I am going to be sorta rude to you. You, in this instance, stand for ALL the people who think like this, so sorry ahead of time, I don;t hate you personally)

You know what? Fuck THAT namby pamby liberal bullshit. This fucker should rot in jail FOREVER + a day. Fuck getting them help. I'd like my tax dollars to fund research/armed force/road repair, FUCKING ANYTHING besides "helping" people like this.

It's people like you who allow freaks like this to go out and offend again. Attitudes like yours are what caused... (shit I forget, any Canadians who remember this pls remind me of the details) 2-3 years ago in BC some drunk driver hit and killed a child. It was his TWELFTH fucking DUI. All the times before this he got counseling, or "help" as you call it and it is total bullshit. That kid could have had a life if this asshole was thrown in jail FOR LIFE after offence number 3.

Now THIS fucking freak is going to get out of jail in 3 years, after his "help" and in all likelihood rape another kid.

A lot of "help" that will be for society.

and in closing... BURN THEM ALL.

Speaking as a liberal, well said!

Personally, I'd prefer railways rather than road repair, because enough of our country's under tarmac already thank you very much.

Our biggest problem with not punishing people seems to be on the roads, too. It's like someone wrote "the right of the people to drive cars shall not be infringed" and then the rest of the constitution came after that and got a few amendments. It's like "In the beginning, the Earth was without form, and void, and there was nowhere to drive, and the Spirit of God hovered over the waters and saw that there was nowhere to drive, and so He made land so there'd be somewhere to drive, and He said 'let there be light' and there was light so cars could gleam, and e saw that that was good because fast cars are awesome ..."

80 billion vehicle kilometres at an average of 160 grams CO2 per km every year, and that's just cars, on a strip of concrete and tarmac 310 km (193 miles) long and 40m wide, and they're looking into spending hundreds of millions of pounds to widen it so the traffic jams can be a bit shorter (and a bit wider, same surface area and same vehicle count, after all). Would you believe they've made a musical about the bloody thing to mark its 50th anniversary?

 

[TWjohnny]

you know what i would of said as the judge to the parents?

"The Bible also says an eye for an eye" i would of locked that kid up, got a baseball bat, and crammed it so far up his ass, he wouldnt be able to walk, hmm....that or life imprisonment?

fucked up government, fucked up "justice" this is what leads to cases like "Baby P"
for any non british readers who may not be aware, Baby P (or peter) was only an infant, barely toddling when his parents started abusing him, breaking his spine...pulling out his nails with plyers...and leaving him wear the same nappy for weeks...

quess what? his parents were "protected" from outraged civilians, and his mother was in a furnished cell, eating expensive choclates and wine...and these people TORTURED AND KILLED A INNOCENT CHILD?!

oh btw, the child protection agency was sent to their adress numerous times, and found NOTHING wrong with baby P...politics? no, POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD,

i'd rather see my taxes, my families taxes, my friends taxes go to kicking out every scum bag criminal, drug addict, rapist and benifit theif out of the UK and slaughter them all in Guantanamo bay,

Sadly, no "sane" political group understands this, only insane right wing parties like the BNP, were heading back to a nazi like situation here, soon non-racist people will be forced to vote BNP because even they are more creditable then other parties. OH BTW

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[lvl9000_woot]

Too bad the boys didn't have this to keep them safe...(this may be in bad taste but w/e)

OT: Rape is horrible. The rapist was probably messed with when he was younger. IMO, the guy should be locked up for years and years...or disemboweled. He ruined thoes kids lives...and he should pay...

 

[Collymilad08]

Yeah we live in the UK. This isn't even news.

Long story short. The Prisons are full, they don't want to build more and accept there is more scum here than current prison capacity. So they let people out or don't imprison them at all (as here)

Couple that with bleeding heart BS from people who think lost causes can be "rehabilitated" and you have this kind of situation.

Oh and this:

"The fact that you think so strongly on this shows a weakness of the mind.
You're assessing the situation from an emotional point of view, instead of with logic.
Whatever about the victims (who will admittedly probably suffer emotionally), the 16 year old probably has some underlying mental issues too.
Maybe he, too, was raped as a child, and so sees it as something not out of the ordinary?"

Pfft. Doesn't change anything really though does it? Unless you're suggesting it makes it ok? Or he shouldn't be punished? Or he's not a danger to people because of this? Fact remains he is. It might be sad that he's a certain way because of things which MAY have happened to him, but it doesn't change that he is that way.

I'd say people who say things like you just did have a weakness of mind themselves, since they seem unable to accept that we don't live in a perfect world. It might not be completely fair that this guy be "dealt with" (e.g. improsoned) because it's a great notion that everyone can be helped, but you have to look at the wider picture and that's society as a whole. People have reasons for doing many things, it doesn't change what they are or the misery they inflict on others.

 

[zauxz]

And this is what gallows were invented for.

 

[Poomanchu745]

The judge who let the rapist off with community service and the parents who forgave him should be sentenced to death for being idiots,because they knew he was a danger to society and they let him leave through the front door that's not forgiveness that's stupidity.

While the rapist should be sentenced to life in solitary confinement so he can't hurt anyone else again.

Na just put him in big boy prison where the guards will relax his bum hole if you know what I mean... Maybe then he can get a taste of his own medicine. After a week of that he should be shot in the back of the head. Sounds like a fair punishment.

 

[wierdman51]

Two words........

NORTH AMERICA.

Do you understand the point of this story?

 

[Taern]

This, uh... I don't even know what to say.

I wonder when Ururu117's going to make an insightfull comment about this.

 

[WrongSprite]

Oh shock horror, they forgave him!

They should forgive him, and so should the child when he becomes an age that he can understand, and they shouldn't hate him, they should pity him.

The person who did this was 16! Imagine what was in his mind, try and empathise with the rapist himself, of course this was horrible for the boy who got raped but everyone seems to be forgetting that the guy who did this doesn't need punishment, he needs serious help.

You are sympathizing with somebody who raped a child, was let off the hook, and instead of straightening out, decides to rape another child within the week. And the grounds for sympathizing with him are that "he needs help".

Following that logic, Saddam Hussein didn't need to be hung, he just needed to get some help after murdering hundreds of thousands of his own people.

Yeah, because two rapes is exactly the same as mass murder.

Some logic.

Hmm, violently forcing yourself upon another person and doing irrepairable harm to them....and not just once.

Pretty damned close to mass murder to me.

There is NO way you can seriously empathise with a 16 year-old rapist. What, his mommy never hugged him and daddy's breath smelled like Jim Beam? Now he needs to go out and rape kids? Yes, he's messed up, and the solution is to either lock him up and NEVER release him, I MEAN NEVER.....or execute him for heinious crimes against children. Considering you never hear about REFORMED rapists (Statutory doesn't really count because most of those cases are bullshit), I'm going to take a guess and assume that most sexual predators cannot be reformed and allowed to integrate back into society. Sure, chemical castration is always an option, but that strikes me as inhuman to allow a person to go on being only a shadow of what they used to be and live out their life like that. Better to die than be a zombie.

1) You need your head checked if you believe that damaging 2 lives is as bad as ending thousands.
2) What the hell? There's a tonne of reformed rapists, of course you don't hear about them, they only get on the news if they re-offend.
3) Please explain how chemical castration turns people into zombies, or having a shadow of their former lives.

 

[AkJay]

Is the rapist a guy, or a girl? I know it does not matter much, but I skimmed through the links and could not find that info.

 

[mayney93]

It is thought that the lenient sentence was partly because the boy's Christian parents forgave the criminal

Oh, this line made me giggle like a school girl.

coz religious people know everything that's right don't they? ever heard of the crusades or the witch burnings

 

[Audemas]

What happened was terrible and rape is one of the worst things you can do to someone. For the parents to even think about forgiving him for doing that is just amazing. I'm guessing that they only forgave him because they were trying to be "good Christians"(sounds like to me that they only forgave him because you're supposed to love your enemy and not be angry for them ruining your child's life in this case.)

Anyway, why jump straight to execution? The person who does this shows that they are a rapist and that there is something very wrong with him. He shouldn't be allowed to rejoin the public because he will go right back to raping so you throw him in for life. In my opinion, I do not care for the death penalty and I think it is barbaric.(Deter killing by killing the ones who kill, yeah that works) I can almost guarantee you that he will be made someone's ***** in prison because they love child molesters/rapists.(My adviser worked at several prison facilities in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan and has so many stories about rape, fights, and some other things.)

He would have a worse time in prison than he would dead.(Unless you think there is a Hell in which case you're wrong.) And I read one of the quotes, ("I have to say I have absolutely no hesitation whatsoever in reaching the conclusion that you are indeed a dangerous offender.") This judge is a moron and shouldn't allowed to be a judge anymore, why he was so easy on a rapist, a child rapist none the less is beyond me. Throw him in jail and toss the key in a vat of acid. By the way if anyone in the U.K. could answer this it would help, what exactly do you have to do to get thrown in jail for life?

 

[chiggerwood]

What I'm afraid of is that people are going to blame the Christian parents for this. what they did (forgiving him) was right. What the judge did (releasing him) was horrifically wrong, and negligent. I think the judge should be disbarred for a start, and as for the 16 year old; put him in a mental health facility, and figure out what in the hell is wrong with him.

 

[Shoqiyqa]

Even a life sentance is 99 years, you serve a third, time off for good behavior(I.E. NOT raping anyone in jail)....kid's out before he's 40. Fuck that.

Out before he's 35, I'd bet.

Good behaviour always pisses me off. Some times it makes sense. Other times it's someone who was perfectly well-behaved as long as he wasn't left alone with a child or a woman or near a fancy-looking car ... and he gets locked up in a place containing only adult males and is let out early for good behaviour.

Maybe he, too, was raped as a child, and so sees it as something not out of the ordinary?

Maybe. Someone should look into that, and if it can be proven that he was we could tie him and that rapist to a rail with those plasticuff things, throw a knife on the floor between them, start a fire and leave them to discuss things. (Thanks for the idea, Terry Moore!)

By the way if anyone in the U.K. could answer this it would help, what exactly do you have to do to get thrown in jail for life?

Rob the rich and give to the poor. The rich hate that.

 

[Wayte]

Oops double post

 

[Wayte]

3) Please explain how chemical castration turns people into zombies, or having a shadow of their former lives.

A sexless life sounds pretty hollow to me. To deny an organism it's most primal instinct is torture beyond anything Satan could come up with.

Not religious, just wanted a dramatic metaphor.

 

[Vondrakenhof]

Sigh, just another example of the world going to the dogs. We need a completely new justice system. My friend came up with the idea that if you commit a crime that violates someones right you should be punished in kind. And I'm inclined to agree. If you rob someone your possessions should be taken, if you kill someone you should be put to death and if you rape someone you should be castrated/raped yourself.

Of course there are problems with this system but it's better than what we have now.

 

[solidstatemind]

The problem with most of the posts on this thread are thaty they blur the line between justice and retribution. The key elements of justice: redress for the victim, and preventing the perpetrator from doing the same to someone else. The only purpose of retribution is to make someone suffer in equal measure to the suffering that they caused.

And while retribution certainly is vicerally satisfying, the courts cannot follow that principle as their driving focus. Why not? Well, leaving out issues with corruption, sliding towards totalitarianism, etc., there is the simple fact that retribution has been proven to neither deter others nor prevent recidivism. In essence, you're treating symptoms, but the disease will still be there.

The problem with this situation is that- for whatever reason- I think the judge in the original case failed to appreciate the seriousness of the matter as well as the potential for repeat behavior. The 'community service' was obviously supposed to be the restitution the perp paid, but I certainly would've had a psychatric element in the initial sentence towards the prevention of future crimes by that kid.

Now, after he's basically come to the conclusion 'I got away with it once, so I can do it again,' you have to ask yourself can you reasonably expect this criminal to ever be able to control himself, will you be putting the other law-abiding members of society at risk by allowing him to leave jail. It's pretty dicey, I think. He'll need a whole lot of counselling before that should even be considered.

Generally, I favor long-term permanent solutions. Castration for rapists is a good idea to me, regardless of the Amnesty International bullshit about it being cruel and inhumane. Your dick is a lot like a gun. You misuse it and hurt somebody, it should be taken away from you for good. (Although maybe that should only apply to repeat offenders, since I have heard of more than a few false accusations of rape where the accused was found guilty initially, but later proven to be innocent.)

You have to be careful with the Death Penalty, however; I've never looked at it as being an appropriate method of retribution. To me, it is instead the ultimate form of segregation: basically, you're saying "what this fucker did is so heinous that we cannot ever risk him escaping or getting out and doing it again." Ted Bundy is the perfect example of this.

Oh well, I'll stop ranting now...

 

[Doug]

The guy obviously has something wrong going on in his head. He needs a LOT of help to get to the bottom of why he does this.

And to have his genitals removed, given he can't seem to be trusted with them. Already.