"That's not cheating" - A Pokemon arguement

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captaincabbage

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gmaverick019 said:
captaincabbage said:
I wouldn't say it's "cheating" per-se, but I'd advise against it, just because I reckon it'd take away from the game. Most of the fun of playing a new pokemon game is going through the trials and tribulations set in the story.
I'd advide you use the AR after you finish the story. Think of it as a reward.


Also, you really think this looks stupid? Because I reckon it's sufficiently tits and/or awesome. I thought the same thing as you when I first saw the new pokemon, but I've grown to accept and really enjoy fighting new and exciting things in the game. . .


. . . Like Maractus, the awesome dancing maracca cactus! And lets be honest, is it really any stupider looking than most of the older pokemon?
actually out of all the new pokemon, i fucking hate those crocodile based pokemon. fuck them, they are annoying as piss, they are like what koffing/zubat was to team rocket, just annoying and over-used.
Really? They're not that hard to beat, since their defense leaves something to be desired.
 

ZeZZZZevy

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if it's only affecting your single player experience, it honestly doesn't matter, it's your experience.

hell I have a friend who hacked the crap out of black and he had fun with the game. I think what he did took the fun away but it's not my call, it doesn't affect me so what I personally think about it doesn't matter.

Essentially: do whatever you want, it's your experience
 

Shoggoth2588

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Doesn't sound like cheating to me. Hell, for Darkrai alone I'd get an AR. Also, you hate all of the new Pokemon? What about this one, Galvantula?

 

Everin

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AR takes all the fun out of the game, pokemons about the last parts of the game when the 'mons you trained from babies are slogging it out with behemoths and youre winning. It's not fun if you just have uber creatures from the start.
 

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I don't know if you did since your first post, but I would advise you not to AR the national dex to your character right away. You don't need it to use pre Gen V pokemon, it's just that their number will appear as ???. And I heard it really messes up your game.

As for using the AR to get yourself the team/pokemon you had before, I don't see why not. It's just a shortcut in a game that really wants you to waste a lot of time already (I mean, what does getting the full pokedex have ever done?), although I'll say to give the new pokemon a chance, some are quite good (and design wise, you'll get used to them, just like you got used to the other ones). And it's not like you'll start with level 100 pokemon right away if you just want the chance to catch a Cyndaquil early.
 
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captaincabbage said:
gmaverick019 said:
captaincabbage said:
I wouldn't say it's "cheating" per-se, but I'd advise against it, just because I reckon it'd take away from the game. Most of the fun of playing a new pokemon game is going through the trials and tribulations set in the story.
I'd advide you use the AR after you finish the story. Think of it as a reward.


Also, you really think this looks stupid? Because I reckon it's sufficiently tits and/or awesome. I thought the same thing as you when I first saw the new pokemon, but I've grown to accept and really enjoy fighting new and exciting things in the game. . .


. . . Like Maractus, the awesome dancing maracca cactus! And lets be honest, is it really any stupider looking than most of the older pokemon?
actually out of all the new pokemon, i fucking hate those crocodile based pokemon. fuck them, they are annoying as piss, they are like what koffing/zubat was to team rocket, just annoying and over-used.
Really? They're not that hard to beat, since their defense leaves something to be desired.
oh they aren't bad, they are just fucking annoying as piss, like my comparison with zubat
 

Captain Pirate

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It's your game. Do whatever the fuck you want with it.
I would call it cheating only if you use it to get all Shinies with hacked in uber-movesets at lvl 100.
 

Arehexes

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Before a fight between cheating and not cheating comes up let me point this out.

I did a test on this to see how well nintendo's servers are in checking pokemon that were hacked, and what I found out was this.

Pokemon who were hacked with the following things where not allowed online (random wifi)

1:Stats that they can not get (I.e. 999 in attack)
2:Abilities that they can not get (Drought on a bulbasaur)
3:Moves that they can not get (Sacred Fire on a Squitail)
4:Unbalanced EVs (No one stat can have over 255 and the total number of EVs can not go over 510)
5:IV's higher then 31

In other words it is really hard to have a pokemon that you couldn't get in game on a online fight. The worst I have seen is a pokemon team of all shinies and I beat him down with one pokemon (I didn't know ground type moves worked on ground/rock pokemon).

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Also look at this pokemon and how lazy it was made it's just a pokeball with eyes used to play the old trope of the false treasure. And this is gen one there are others like it from gen 1 that were not really all that good or creative to be honest.
 

Arehexes

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Aris Khandr said:
Paragon Fury said:
Except that is the problem. For people who don't live near major cities on the West Coast of the USA, near New York City, or in Japan, many of the events simply do not ever happen for them.

There was no Arceus or Darkrai event, even during the movie for many people. If you don't live in Japan, you didn't get the chance to get the Celebii, Mew and Shaymin Event Items that were being handed out like god damn candy.
The Arceus event was at Toys R Us. Are you really going to try to tell me that you don't have a Toys R Us? Celebi was given away at Gamestop, and offered over Wi-Fi to anyone who has a wireless router as well. Mew was only given away over the Wi-Fi last summer. I don't know how much more convenient Nintendo could have made it for you.
The only store I have in my town is a walmart and a mom and pop game shop that isn't big on events so please don't assume we all live in cities that does stuff like this.
 

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Well, technically, if you just created your pokemon that you already had obtained, then its not cheating. However, if you make the pokemon infinitely times better than what they were originally, then it is.
 

captaincabbage

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gmaverick019 said:
captaincabbage said:
gmaverick019 said:
captaincabbage said:
I wouldn't say it's "cheating" per-se, but I'd advise against it, just because I reckon it'd take away from the game. Most of the fun of playing a new pokemon game is going through the trials and tribulations set in the story.
I'd advide you use the AR after you finish the story. Think of it as a reward.


Also, you really think this looks stupid? Because I reckon it's sufficiently tits and/or awesome. I thought the same thing as you when I first saw the new pokemon, but I've grown to accept and really enjoy fighting new and exciting things in the game. . .


. . . Like Maractus, the awesome dancing maracca cactus! And lets be honest, is it really any stupider looking than most of the older pokemon?
actually out of all the new pokemon, i fucking hate those crocodile based pokemon. fuck them, they are annoying as piss, they are like what koffing/zubat was to team rocket, just annoying and over-used.
Really? They're not that hard to beat, since their defense leaves something to be desired.
oh they aren't bad, they are just fucking annoying as piss, like my comparison with zubat
Lol well I dunno about you, but I just don't see them as any comparison to Zubat.
 

Arehexes

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deshorty said:
Well, technically, if you just created your pokemon that you already had obtained, then its not cheating. However, if you make the pokemon infinitely times better than what they were originally, then it is.
And even if you were to do that it is hard to take it online. Try pokesav'ing a pikachu with roar of time (which is 100% funny to see btw) and go on random wifi, it shouldn't let you (cause it didn't let me :p ).
 

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Hmmmm it's still modifying the game to benefit yourself.

The troll I keep locked up inside is saying for you to just suck it up and deal with the crappy Gen V pokemon. Personally, I have a general disdain towards all post-Gen II pokemons.

(Dragonite FTW)
 

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aww. Shame. I thought it would be a grand debate about the 'evasion clause' or about how ridiculously overpowered Garchomp is and whether or not either should be considered cheating in battle simulators such as "pokemon online". Alas, i was wrong.

Hmmm, touchy subject for me to be honest. I consider getting your high level pokemon from D/Pe/Pl and tranferring them through the time capsule in SS/HG so you can use them to fight the gyms to be cheating. My friend did this and i found it quite saddening. He might as well have not bothered buying it really, but i got over it.

I think what you're doing can be defined as cheating. Lets liken it to a bank. You have money in the bank. You want that money but there is a queue of customers in front of you and no cash machine for miles around. So you instead use a machine to break into the bank vaults and take out a value of money that you actually have stored in your account. This is still going to be labelled a bank robbery. It is still illegal. Sure, the customers weren't too bothered and were able to do their business, sure you'd have got the money out had you waited in line or travelled to a cash machine. But you didn't. You did something that is deemed illegal to satisfy your own comforts. Sure, by getting these pokemon early on, the story and game progression probably won't be bothered, sure you'd have got these pokemon later on after the league or even through trades had you beaten the first few gyms. But no. You had to use an Action Replay in order to satisfy your own comforts.
I know this probably seems like an extreme of the situation, but its still a worthy parrellism (in my head, i'm sure someone will point something wrong out with it, which will be fair enough).


On another note, seriously, having qualms about the new generation of pokemon is silly. I missed out on Diamond, Pearl and Platinum this way, because Garchomp's over-poweredness-to-easiness-to-get ratio aggravated me to no end. Those games were great and i regret not playing them when they came out with my friends. I thought all Black and White pokemon looked ridiculous, but i bit the bullet and played the game and have come to realise that actually, they aren't that bad. By being all stubborn and "THESE POKEMON ARE GONNA SUCK I WANT MY TYRANITAR!" you're going to miss out on wonders such as Excavalier, Liligant and Litwick. You probably can't comprehend what i mean, but imagine if someone told you that they thought only pokemon in the Unova pokedex should be in any pokemon game. This person wanted to hack the remake of pokemon crystal so that he could battle using his Hydraigon, Excadrill and Bisharp that he'd become so accustomed to.

It just sounds silly and very childish. Its almost like complaining when playing Final Fantasy VIII because you can't play as Cloud. If you don't like the new pokemon then just buy a new copy of Platinum.

I hope i managed to make my point.
 

scorptatious

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It's a shame you aren't giving the gen. 5 Pokemon a chance. Some of them are pretty cool in my opinion.

But hey, it's your game. Do what you want with it.
 

rokkolpo

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If it is cheating to get awesome pokemon on black/white I don't want to be right.
 

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xdom125x said:
Yes it is cheating. You are using a device specifically meant to hack the game. I can understand why you are doing it, but it is still cheating. You were supposed to start with tepig/oshawott/snivy, not cyndaquil. Cheating to get pokemon that you are unable to get in the game is still cheating.

It doesn't matter if the conditions to get them are ridiculous or even if it is no longer possible to get them, because that was the point of making them event only pokemon. It is still cheating if you are doing it to unlock something that will eventually be unlocked anyway.

I don't really care if you are cheating (which you are), as long as you don't use your "illegitimate" 'mons online.

TL;DR: It is cheating, but if you keep it out of multiplayer, it makes no difference to me.

Saelune said:
Its cheating if you use it to make you impossible to beat in battles against people. But in a single player game, what you do to increase enjoyment is your own buisness.
I want to catch every single pokemone up to Gen 3, but I intend to "cheat" to do so. How? Simply giving myself the promotional items for the boat so I can legitmatly catch Mew, Jurachi, Celebi and Deoxys.
Not my fault Game Freaks set impossible goals for us. Gotta Catch Them All? Fine. But Ill need aid.
Those 2 bolded words. They contradict each other. If you are cheating you are not getting it legitimately.
speaking as someone who HAS had this happen to them (although in my case it was my brother stealing my game that had over 200 hours worth of EV training put into my pokemon and they were PERFECT. so perfect i hardly lost a match, and when i did i had enough EV trained and IV bred pokemon that i could build a team to whoop their ass a hundred times over) i sympathize with the OP.

i think you don't have the right to judge, and besides, could you tell the difference if the action replay pokemon were every bit as flawed as a regular pokemon?
 

Tharwen

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Cheating is absolutely fine as long as you don't do it against other players, and don't claim to have beaten the game by yourself (as long as the cheat constitutes an advantage, unlike in this case).

With any form of entertainment, what you get out of it is whatever you think you got out of it. If you don't think you're cheating, then you aren't.
 

Paragon Fury

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First, my game "explode". It was more a "crushing defeat that would have been comical if not so sad" thing.

It happened while packing to leave college for the summer. I put my games in my laundry basket, and put my Platinum case with the game in it on top. All was fine, until I got to the top of the stairs and stumbled. The Platinum case fell out and tumbled down about 25 or so concrete stairs, landing in the path below.

Case was pretty much done, but it looked the game would've been fine. Shaken, but not broken.

Cue asshole in SUV.

Now crushed, not shaken.

All those hours of work, all the people and NPCs schooled by my team, now permanently beaten by a Goodyear.


Second, no, none of my Pokemon are going to be "illegal". I'd never do that; it defeat the purpose of even playing. Now that I know I can use Pokemon from older Gens without the National Dex, I won't even give myself that. I'll simply use the AR to make it so that the next Pokemon I encounter is XXXX at an appropriate level for that area/time. And I'm only after six Pokemon (Cyndaquil, Ralts, Onix, Krabby, Eevee and Dratini or Koffing) for my team; I'll get the rest the normal way after I get the National Dex.

No WonderTombs,Peefect IVs/EVs or anything like that. No moves they shouldn't have, etc.