The fatal flaw of Star Wars TOR

[Jandau]

Yeah, because WoW has shown us that EVERYONE plays the bad guys... Oh wait...

hate to burst your bubble but to lore alliance is the true evil side...

EDITmg unintentional pun! haha

DOUBLE EDIT: now that i look at your post it tells more then it tells...hrmm good move!~

Alliance is kinda more evil if you look at the lore. However, how large a percentage of WoW players do you think care about the lore? I'm gonna take a wild guess and go with VERY LOW. Also, you need to search the lore to find Alliance doing evil stuff, while the Forsaken and Blood Elves are doing wierd shit all over the place.

Add to this the common division of "Humans, Elves and Dwarves" = "Good" VS "Orcs, Trolls and Undead" = "Evil"

So I'm going to wager that in the mind of the average WoW player, Alliance are the good guys and the Horde are the bad guys, hence my comment. Alliance outnumbers the Horde on almost every server, sometimes as much as 2:1.

However, Warhammer Online has the bad guys in numerical superiority (or at least it had back when I played), though that's mostly due to the fact that the good guys get this guy [http://news.filefront.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/smas04.jpg] and this guy [http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/careers/KOBS_04.jpg] while the bad guys get to play as this [http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/media/images/newsletters/warhammer/2007/NL-Chosen001.jpg] and this [http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/conceptArt/ConArt0807_39.jpg].

TOR will have the same split as WoW most likely, but not in a good way. It'll be 2:1 in favour of the Republic, only they'll have nothing but Jedi, while the Sith will be spread more evenly across the 4 classes (the 2 non-force Sith classes look a lot better than the Republic ones). Also, Sith will likely obliterate the Republic in any PvP situation. Just like WoW...

 

[Loonerinoes]

Having been on the SWTOR boards for quite awhile now I can assure you...a ton of people will roll Republic. Most of the 'canon' kiddies, who always want to be right and suck up to George Lucases limited vision of his own universe, will in fact roll Jedi.

In fact even with all the promoing that Bioware did for the Sith Empire, the polls now show about 52% Republic and 48% Empire ratio on pretty much every last poll there. So...it's a good thing that they emphasized the Empire as they did, in spite of what the loregasm freaks on SWTOR might say about the Republic being underepresented.

 

[Cowabungaa]

Unlikely. Plenty of people acually prefer being the good guy. Plus there ARE people who would rather be a bounty hunter.

Bounty Hunters are Sith, just saying.

Technically they don't identify themselves with the Sith. Bounty Hunters are independent contractors. BioWare's reasoning for putting them on the side of the Empire is that the Empire pretty much always offers the best paying contracts, which canon-wise is total frakking horse-shit. An entire Republic, albeit under attack, has less funds than a relatively newly formed (after the destruction of Revan's Sith Empire) Sith Empire? Don't make me laugh.

 

[CheeseSandwichCake]

Hell naw, I'mma be the trooper. Only because I can smack hoes with my gun.

 

[obex]

I thought that when i played APB everyone would be criminal instead of enforcer but there were more enforcers than criminals.

 

[pearcinator]

I always play the good guy 1st. So if I end up getting this game* I would be a Jedi for the savvior of the republic!

*a big IF because I have only just started the 2nd year of a 4-year university course and MMOs aren't really going to help me at all

 

[Dommyboy]

You imply everybody is going to be Sith?

I guess that's why they won the war in the end. Oh, wait.

 

[DoomyMcDoom]

I'll be rolling a trooper... last i checked that's not a sith class...

 

[Slycne]

Then explain why in Warhammer Online 75%+ of the population was destruction. I very much expect Sith to outnumber republic twofold at least.

Because by comparison the Alliance classes were far less interesting than their Chaos counterparts, and this is coming from someone who played a White Lion. There is also a lot of anecdotal evidence to suggest that players who enjoy PvP will gravitate towards the "Bad" side. The Old Republic is not touting itself as a PvP game, so we should see a more even spread of players.

Looking back, Star Wars: Galaxies actually sets a precedent for Star Wars games in that the Rebels far outnumbered the Empire and everything Bioware says about their games indicates far more people select the Good path.

At the end of the day, Bioware is doing what matters most to balance the two sides -- making interesting classes on both factions.

 

[Cowabungaa]

Having been on the SWTOR boards for quite awhile now I can assure you...a ton of people will roll Republic. Most of the kiddies, who always want to be right, will in fact roll Jedi.

In fact even with all the promoing that Bioware did for the Sith Empire, the polls now show about 52% Republic and 48% Empire ratio on pretty much every last poll there. So...it's a good thing that they emphasized the Empire as they did, in spite of what the loregasm freaks on SWTOR might say about the Republic being underepresented.

Loregasm freaks should be happy about this. A resurgent Sith Empire would obviously be outnumbered by a massive, bloated Galactic Republic. Then again, if we're talking lore, the Sith would have the Force on their side (the whole balancing spiel) and one Sith should kick several Jedi ass at once. Wouldn't really work out gameplay-wise.

However, Warhammer Online has the bad guys in numerical superiority (or at least it had back when I played), though that's mostly due to the fact that the good guys get this guy [http://news.filefront.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/smas04.jpg] and this guy [http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/careers/KOBS_04.jpg] while the bad guys get to play as this [http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/media/images/newsletters/warhammer/2007/NL-Chosen001.jpg] and this [http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/conceptArt/ConArt0807_39.jpg].

TOR will have the same split as WoW most likely, but not in a good way. It'll be 2:1 in favour of the Republic, only they'll have nothing but Jedi, while the Sith will be spread more evenly across the 4 classes (the 2 non-force Sith classes look a lot better than the Republic ones). Also, Sith will likely obliterate the Republic in any PvP situation. Just like WoW...

Actually, I doubt that we'll see a ton of Jedi. If anything the non-Force users have been given quite a lot of exposure and I think that Bounty Hunter could rival Jedi as most popular Republic class.

I just hope that the Sith wouldn't share the Alliance's fate. I am oh só sick of constantly getting my asses whooped by the Horde in pretty much any Battleground. A fair fight is so much more fun dammit!

As for Warhammer, more importantly the bad guys have these guys [http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/home/images/conceptart/WAR_concept_oct08-11.jpg] and these guys [http://img.war-europe.com/syndic_img/makingof/fr/making_of_blur_orc_paintover.jpg]. I swear, no fantasy universe has such cool orcs as the Warhammer universe.

Because by comparison the Alliance classes were far less interesting than their Chaos counterparts, and this is coming from someone who played a White Lion.

Weeeeeell, Order does counter with these [http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammeronline/images/e/eb/Witch_Hunter_concept_art.jpg] AWESOME [http://www.tentonhammer.com/image/view/32228/preview] guys [http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/home/images/conceptart/NPC_ThyrusGormann.jpg]. Coolest 'good' side I've ever seen really. But I was too charmed by the Orc's almost naïve, simple-minded savageness. They're completely aware that they're simpletons who just want to smash stuff, heck their own kind if that's the only option, and they love it just like that. How awesome is that?

 

[Maze1125]

Then explain why in Warhammer Online 75%+ of the population was destruction.

Because in Warhammer games, the order sides are just as much total bastards as the destructive sides, they're just more civilised about it.

Most people see themselves as chaotic good, with the emphasis on the good. If they can be good in a game, they will be, if they can't, they'll settle for being chaotic instead.

 

[Fallen-Angel Risen-Demon]

The fatal flaw of TOR is that it's set in the Old Republic. I don't think it's a particularly dynamic or interesting setting.

Well its better then setting it in the movies timeline.
They wouldn't be able to make an as intersting story.
OT: Your theory is flawed...
FOR THE REPUBLIC!

 

[MakeLoveNotWar]

me im going smuggler, what im a coward and i KNOW IT!

Seconded

 

[Slycne]

Technically they don't identify themselves with the Sith. Bounty Hunters are independent contractors. BioWare's reasoning for putting them on the side of the Empire is that the Empire pretty much always offers the best paying contracts, which canon-wise is total frakking horse-shit. An entire Republic, albeit under attack, has less funds than a relatively newly formed (after the destruction of Revan's Sith Empire) Sith Empire? Don't make me laugh.

You're reading into it wrong. I don't think they are insinuating that they have less funds, but that they simply don't hire bounty hunters as often.

Why hire a bunch of bounty hunters that won't work well inside your chain of command when you could spend that money on training another division of soldiers or a couple space fighters. That's not even accounting for the government bureaucracy that would surround you not spending that money on already sanctioned contracts. The Sith on the other hand probably have more available income and the need to quickly bolster their ranks, so they are putting out the best contracts.

 

[Proarcher]

No, not really. I already know plenty of people that will be Republic, and most likely i will roll Republic. I like being the underdog faction, especially when it comes to PvP. It makes the community tighter and is much more interesting than steamrolling due to numbers.

Well said, I'm the same way; I prefer modest yet equally useful classes and would defiantly be the good guy.

 

[Trebort]

The majority of Star Wars fans prefer to be anything but force sensitive.

Take Star Wars Galaxies (Still a good game despite the nay sayers), the majority of players are Traders, Entertainers and none force sensitives.

Lightsabers are cool, but not everyone wants one.

Also, I'll only play TOR if I can be a purple yoda who happens to be a Shuttle Pilot. ^_^

 

[Fallen-Angel Risen-Demon]

Unlikely. Plenty of people acually prefer being the good guy. Plus there ARE people who would rather be a bounty hunter.

Bounty Hunters are Sith, just saying.

What the fu-

No they're not! Whoever told you that?

For some bullshit reason they are only a sith class.
I think they're supposed to be the counterpart for the trooper but i'm not sure.

 

[Fallen-Angel Risen-Demon]

Also, I'll only play TOR if I can be a purple yoda who happens to be a Shuttle Pilot. ^_^

They'l probably put yodas race as an expansion...
I'm calling it.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

I wouldn't play a sith, if I were going to play it. I might assume that most players would, but if Bioware acknowledged that then it could make for an interesting game about beleagured jedi fighting off a massive sith empire, and would even be canonical with the main story of KoToR