The Playstation Loses.. To the Playstation

[Pendragon9]

Sony is a horrible company. I'm a proud owner of many sony devices (DVD players, CD players, TVs, PSP) but they are just a damn stupid company. Look at the psp; drastically more powerful than the DS with so much potential, then it fails horribly. Now people don't even run the official Sony firmware on it (aka M33, I'm one of those people) because it offers so few features compared to other types. The PS3 would've done very well if not for several key mistakes. First off, Blu Ray. Blu Ray is NOT needed for video games.... yet. Most devs are too lazy to make any real use of this format. It just makes it so people expect these amazing graphics for all of the PS3 games, which is why most devs produce for the Xbox 360. Second, it lost PS2 compatibility too quickly. The PS2 is better than the PS3 just because of this reason, 'nuff said there. Third, Price. This goes hand-in-hand with using Blu Ray, the format is currently so damn expensive that it is made almost useless. And with Blu Ray, the PS3 needs all these powerful processors and other incredible internal devices, most of which are only used to full potential in exclusive PS3 games. Short and sweet, the PS3 was too futuristic for it's time. Things will catch on, but I really doubt it will be soon enough to save the PS3. Sony messed up... again... on this thing. I hope Sony can stick it out, they make good products, just they've been moving away from the idea of the 'Playstation' for so long, I don't think we should even count the PS3 as a Video Gaming console anymore.

FANBOOOOOYYYYYY.

Go cry some more while others actually play the games you seem to think don't exist.

Also, by your logic, the Wii isn't a gaming console any more. It's just a distraction for young/old people.

Stop saying Fanboy,

your like a fanboy... fanboy.

I mean your point is fair enough and pretty good, but seemingly all the posts of yours that I have read start with some variation of "FANBOOOOYYYYYYY".

Can't you make a point without some sort of relatively-immature declaration or judgement of the person your responding too?

Gee, that's ironic. Your point was disproved the second you said it.

You hate Sony products. That's a given. But you have no proof they're a horrible company. Otherwise, they would've gone bankrupt and they'd discontinue the PS3. The Ps2 would've never sold, and the Ps1 would've never taken off. The PSP would never have been a decent piece of competition against Nintendo (doesn't matter they're behind. 50 mil is a success)

For example....

As much as I dislike Microsoft, for example, they're not a horrible company. They practically run the computer industry and have a "decent console". So I can't say they're a horrible company unless I can prove it. I can say they make crappy products because they do have a tendency to have very bad issues with their products. But to their credit, they are trying.

And Nintendo, I can't blame them either. Yes, they stopped caring about making good games in order to make games that make money, but considering money is the primary thing companies are after, then it seems like a sensible choice. It sucks for gaming, but I couldn't expect much more out of them.

So please. Do tell me how I'm being the immature one.

Oh, and to Hyena

I think those consumers would have preferred to see BLU-RAY go, not the PS2 Backwards Compatibility lol

I'm gonna need evidence that everyone hated blu ray before you make claims like that. You're saying things without backing them up, which makes me a bit iffy.

I actually thought your point was quite good, the only issue I had with your posts in this thread is that every single one has begun with a decrying statement about fanboyism.

Other than that I can't quite see which of my points were supposedly 'disproved the second I said it' as my only point was on this subject...

So, to sum up, if you could stop using the word 'fanboy' in every single one of your posts then I for one would be much happier.

P.S. "FANBOOOOOYYYYYY" = immature. Nothing neccersarily wrong with being immature in that nature, but dont try and make out that your constant declerations of fanboyism are in any way mature.

The worst thing is that your points are actually quite good, they are just cheapened by things like that.

So you didn't even reply to my comment, which you yourself said had some good points, because of something earlier I said? Yeesh. A little narrowminded of you.

But my point stands. The Ps3 sold alot of units. And it isn't a failure. Nobody can disprove that. You can try, but you can't disprove it.

 

[Pendragon9]

It could be done. What benefit are they really getting from releasing games on blu-ray?
The same can be duplicated right now on multi-double dvd's. The blu-ray disk is woefully underused technology not at it's peak. But the price of the disks would be cheaper, making the games cheaper and given a choice between having multiple dvds or a single blu ray disk, I'm inclined to believe people would buy whatever was cheaper as long as you attained the same functionality.
Keep in mind, PS2 games are printed on dvd's and still function effectively in the PS2, which tells me that it's possible to remove the Blu-ray component from at least a line of PS3's, which would drop their price considerably in manufacturing.
Give people a choice and they will throw their money at you.
Pigeon-hole them, and you get what Sony has got... people buying their competitor's systems because they can afford them and get a similar gaming experience and in some cases, an even better one.

You're still not providing evidence. Unless you're a techno savvy game maker, then I suggest you stop spewing nonsense that you can't back up.

Look, I'm fine with you not liking the Ps3 or Blu Ray or whatever it is you have against Sony. But you're blatantly trying to pass off your own opinions as fact. And it's making you look stupid.

Blu Ray was needed for the PS3. It's what gave it an edge over the other consoles. Not a big edge, but a good enough one to keep from bankruptcy. The fact that the Ps3 is still selling disproves what you've said already. It may be in a bit of a drought, but it's still selling.

Please think about that.

Ps. Sorry for the double post.

 

[Fraught]

All I can say that my experience with the Playstation 3, comparing to the Xbox 360 isn't good.
I thought XBLA was better, the interface was better, plus many, many of the demos have been gone for me.
Also, in co-op games (except LittleBigPlanet), you can't log in 2 profiles, so that both of you would get trophies, like with the Xbox 360.

The 360's controller is far better in my opinion, XBLA has better exclusive games (Braid, Castle Crashers etc).

I have had many more complaints (including backwards compatibility, arrrgh!) but can't remember them all.

All in all, not counting it's exclusive games (which most aren't even out yet which I'm interested in), it's a pretty pathetic excuse for a console.
Everything except the Blu-Ray disk (which can hold more data), the fact that it's quieter and and it's exclusive games, everything on the Xbox 360 is better.

 

[Horus456]

This news was really funny. I mean the PS2 was good but who the hell is buying them now. Maybe the people that bought a PS3 only to find that it sucked and ho had traded in their PS2's and now are sorely missing it. I guess that fanboys will be fanboys though.

 

[Jumplion]

I just think dropping blu-ray or even making it an optional addition would have been a better decision than dropping backwards compatibility, but I could be wrong. Maybe most gamers dont care about BC as me and my friends do.

Bu-.....but the PS3 needs blu-ray. Know why?

Because without blu-ray, you wouldn't be able to play anything on the damn thing.

I find it very silly how people are trying to make taking out Blu-ray from the PS3 an option when it's nigh impossible because if Sony for some reason suddenly made a line of PS3s that did not include blu-ray, it wouldn't be a PS3, it'd be a PS2.

Now that is one thing you cannot argue against me

 

[Xerosch]

My PS2 librarby has become so big over the years and the PS3 doesn't really rush to level out the difference. In all honesty: I still replay more PS2 games than I'm interested in PS3 titles. And the PS2 still gets very exciting titles (the Shin Megami Tensei games, Okami, Ico and the Samurai Showdown Anthology warrant the PS2s longlivety)
And I am not turned on by all the shooters out there, so no Resistance, Army of Two or Call of Duties for me.

 

[KSI Hellboy]

So many games are exclusives on the PS3

.... oh wait, they all came over to the 360.
Resi Evil 5
Devil May Cry 4

Oh, and not to mention Final Fantasy XIII

inFAMOUS
Ratchet and Clank: Crack in Time (if I call it A Crack in Time the joke is lost)
Heavy Rain
Uncharted 2
Wardevil: Unleash the Beast Within
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 (its at the point where I hear the words co-op that I really don't think remake justifies it, you know?)
Quantum Theory
Cross Edge
White Knight Chronicles
Demons Soul (hopefully)
Afrika
Katamari Forever
LA Noire
3 Exclusives from Capcom (I know I'm not supposed to just list these unnanounced exclusives, but it is Capcom. Its the best explanation of their report that they're bringing 12 games to the 360 this year, and 15 to the Ps3.)
God of War III
MAG
Gran Turismo 5
Twisted Metal 5 (you're not fooling anyone Jaffe)
Final Fantasy XIII Versus
Ni-Oh
The Agency
DC universe Online
Free Realms
Eyepet
Trinity Universe
Last Rebellion
Yakuza 3 (hopefully)

And last, but certainly not least, Trico.

Thats 31 games that we know of over the next year and a half.

That's if the Sony gaming department doesn't declare bankruptcy by then from an expected* multi-billion dollar loss.

Now, if you would please think with the logic portion of your brain, and not the glaringly large fanboy portion.

*Expected by me, based on the previous losses of 4 Billion dollars since launch.

Okay, the logical thing is that a multi-trillion dollar company is able to sustain a console like this for the 18 monts until all of the aforementioned games come out. This influx of games, aided by the fact that people are catching on that the 360 lacks a lifespan and has no games coming out (that we know of now, but I've already detailed the mountains of salt a person should take anything from Microsoft about it having an "AAA Exclusive"). That was logical thinking, you should try it some time, and not be a fucking retard with no understanding of corporate culture.

Call me names, real mature Dingo.

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

OMFG---high end consumable sees a drop in sales during a world wide recession!!!?! Must grab a pen and paper, write this down, and file it under "Bloody Inevitable."

... Its not that its going down, its because its gone down below the console its trying to replace. Please sir, stop trying to be witty when you know not what you speak.

The PS2 is currently a low end consumable, and is being marketed in developing and emerging countries such as India, which also coincidentally happens to be home to about a billion people. The PS3 is currently a high end consumable, which will inevitably see a drop in sales in Western societies, let alone developing countries.

Did you ever wonder why Sony has continued production of PS2's when it is apparently so desperate to sell PS3s? It's because it knows it is unable to market such a high end consumable in emerging markets in a global recession, and so it has continued production of PS2s.They also lowered the price/cost ratio of the product by producing the PS2 slim and they sell in high number with low margins. The PS2 slim is able to be made in bulk easier that the bulkier PS2s, and it also can be transported with greater efficiency, making it more economical to sell in bulk. Oh wait. I don't know what I am talking about.

... This is why you don't know what your talking about. I didn't even call you out on that shit. You just need to sound smart so all the girls will think your oh so sexy.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

I just think dropping blu-ray or even making it an optional addition would have been a better decision than dropping backwards compatibility, but I could be wrong. Maybe most gamers dont care about BC as me and my friends do.

Bu-.....but the PS3 needs blu-ray. Know why?

Because without blu-ray, you wouldn't be able to play anything on the damn thing.

I find it very silly how people are trying to make taking out Blu-ray from the PS3 an option when it's nigh impossible because if Sony for some reason suddenly made a line of PS3s that did not include blu-ray, it wouldn't be a PS3, it'd be a PS2.

Now that is one thing you cannot argue against me

No, it doesnt. Ever played a PS2 game on your Ps3?
Ever play a regular DVD in it?
Thats your proof.

 

[Jumplion]

I just think dropping blu-ray or even making it an optional addition would have been a better decision than dropping backwards compatibility, but I could be wrong. Maybe most gamers dont care about BC as me and my friends do.

Bu-.....but the PS3 needs blu-ray. Know why?

Because without blu-ray, you wouldn't be able to play anything on the damn thing.

I find it very silly how people are trying to make taking out Blu-ray from the PS3 an option when it's nigh impossible because if Sony for some reason suddenly made a line of PS3s that did not include blu-ray, it wouldn't be a PS3, it'd be a PS2.

Now that is one thing you cannot argue against me

No, it doesnt. Ever played a PS2 game on your Ps3?
Ever play a regular DVD in it?
Thats your proof.

Then explain to me, Mr. DVD (sorry, that sounded pompous), how on earth could you play MGS4 as is (on a blu-ray disc) with a PS3 with no blu-ray?

How can you play CoD4 on PS3 with no blu-ray as the disc itself is blu-ray?
How can you play Resistance 2, Killzone 2, LittleBigPlanet, and just about every damn game out for PS3 right now if Sony decided to sell a PS3 with no blu-ray (aka, a freakin' PS2!)

And no, reformatting the games is not an option and if I have to explain to you why that isn't an option than I really feel sorry for you.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

It could be done. What benefit are they really getting from releasing games on blu-ray?
The same can be duplicated right now on multi-double dvd's. The blu-ray disk is woefully underused technology not at it's peak. But the price of the disks would be cheaper, making the games cheaper and given a choice between having multiple dvds or a single blu ray disk, I'm inclined to believe people would buy whatever was cheaper as long as you attained the same functionality.
Keep in mind, PS2 games are printed on dvd's and still function effectively in the PS2, which tells me that it's possible to remove the Blu-ray component from at least a line of PS3's, which would drop their price considerably in manufacturing.
Give people a choice and they will throw their money at you.
Pigeon-hole them, and you get what Sony has got... people buying their competitor's systems because they can afford them and get a similar gaming experience and in some cases, an even better one.

You're still not providing evidence. Unless you're a techno savvy game maker, then I suggest you stop spewing nonsense that you can't back up.

Look, I'm fine with you not liking the Ps3 or Blu Ray or whatever it is you have against Sony. But you're blatantly trying to pass off your own opinions as fact. And it's making you look stupid.

Blu Ray was needed for the PS3. It's what gave it an edge over the other consoles. Not a big edge, but a good enough one to keep from bankruptcy. The fact that the Ps3 is still selling disproves what you've said already. It may be in a bit of a drought, but it's still selling.

Please think about that.

Ps. Sorry for the double post.

Evidence of what? I'm sorry but I'm not understanding your argument.

1. I dont hate the PS3 nor do I dislike Blu-ray. I dont know where you got that from, but making ASSUMPTIONS is what makes you look stupid, not having an opinion.

2. Asking for evidence without clarifying what you need evidence to PROVE in a hypothetical conversation is stupid as well. I dont need to provide "evidence" that PS3's would POTENTIALLY sell better if they offered a cheaper version without Blu-Ray, because it's just COMMON SENSE. Any fool can stop for a second, think objectively about it, and come to that logical conclusion, considering that we are arguing the point on a thread about how the Playstation 2 is outselling the Playstation 3 ridiculously. That should tell you something you'd think. Hmmmm maybe people are buying PS2's and Xbox 360's because the PS3 is either

A. too expensive
or
B. Not as good a system in their eyes.

If you choose B, you fall into fanboy semantics about why someone's personal opinion might be the deciding factor for a purchase and it is not necessarily representable in a business model.

if you choose A, which seems more likely, then you have to ask WHY do people think it's too expensive and why the product is priced the way it is.
Quite simply we already KNOW why it is more expensive than it's competitors... Blu-ray.
A Blu-ray player that has yet to see ANY of it's TRUE potential by any measurable benchmark that could give Sony anything to tout as an advantage. In truth, they have not released a single game that could ONLY be done on blu-ray. Sure, we can make jokes about Metal Gear solid 4 fitting on 10 DVD disks, but considering DVD capacities vs the actual SIZE of the metal gear game data, we KNOW thats total b.s.
Bottom line is, if they WANTED to, they could release a 360 version or even a PC version of Metal Gear SOlid 4 WITHOUT it being on Blu-ray. The same goes for Killzone 2. Blu-ray is a nice tool to have but it's by no means an absolute necessity.
You dont need to be a game developer to understand this, you just have to be willing to turn off the "PS3 rules the world!!!! mentality for a moment.

I own a PS3. I am PLEASED with my system. But many people dont and you can make all the excuses for it in the world that you want and it doesnt change the fact that people are not buying the system. So what is your explanation for it and how would you go about encouraging those people TO pay their hard earned money for the system that SONY with all their marketing and advertising teams have not?

If anything, Xbox should be looked upon as an example of a smart business model. They made HDDvd an ADD ON, not a REQUIREMENT, and rightfully so.. they were in a format war with no clear winner and with a dominant and still strong format (DVD) still competing, AND with the rise of Digital downloads knocking on the door. As it is, people are starting to download digitally on hard drives than wasting time with disks anyway. In about 5-6 years Blu-ray will be a mediocre technology nobody wants taking up space in their homes.

Look at TRENDS. THEY dictate the market, not your hopes and dreams for a system that has yet figured out how to reach it's potential market with shock and awe visual technology.

 

[Da_Schwartz]

I still don't understand why 360 owners despite everyone else be it, gamer or nongamer, reg joe consumer or avid tech junkie. firmly believe that blu-ray is garbage. Why can't people simply accept that its a superior format.

 

[GoldenCondor]

Where's the PSP and the ability to hack it in all of this?!!

 

[Jumplion]

Condense

(I find it hilarious that I'm still arguing with you, don't you ;D )

This fallacy is assuming that the only thing that lets the PS3 have these crazy games is the space of blu-ray. It's also the hardware combined with the blu-ray. Like it or not the PS3 is at least marginally more powerful than the 360 and that power if exploited correctly can mean all the difference.

either way, MGS4 on 360 (I still don't know why specifically 4, any other MGS game is fine) would pretty much automatically be inferior even if it is a graphics downgrade and lower content. Not to mention the fact that the game itself made fun of the fact of multi-disking.

Otacon: Okay Snake, you're going to have to switch disks. I know, I know, it's a pain, but do you see the disk labeled "Disk 2"?
Snake: Uhh....
Otacon: What's wrong?
Snake: There's no second disk.
Otacon: What? Ooooooohhhhhhh! That's right! We're on a Playstation 3 system! It uses Blu-ray, dual layered to!
Snake: Damnit Otacon, get a grip!
Otacon: Hah, what an age we live in, huh Snake?

I literally panicked when that happened XD

EDIT: But you don't need to be a game developer to understand the potential of Blu-ray. Blu-ray can hold a tremendous amount of data, about 5 times as much as regular DVDs if I'm not mistaken. Do you have any idea how much developers could stuff in a single blu-ray disk? MGS4 completely filled the disk and that was with minimal compression. Imagine how much stuff could fit if it was MGS4 sized, but compressed even slightly!

 

[y8c616]

well the ps3 is still beating the 360; think about it- the 360 has been out a full year longer, so therefore to be beating the ps3, the 360's sales figures must be 1.5 times that of the ps3. As of january, ps3 was on 21-22 million, and the 360 was on 28 million, making the 360's sales only 1.27 times bigger.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

I just think dropping blu-ray or even making it an optional addition would have been a better decision than dropping backwards compatibility, but I could be wrong. Maybe most gamers dont care about BC as me and my friends do.

Bu-.....but the PS3 needs blu-ray. Know why?

Because without blu-ray, you wouldn't be able to play anything on the damn thing.

I find it very silly how people are trying to make taking out Blu-ray from the PS3 an option when it's nigh impossible because if Sony for some reason suddenly made a line of PS3s that did not include blu-ray, it wouldn't be a PS3, it'd be a PS2.

Now that is one thing you cannot argue against me

No, it doesnt. Ever played a PS2 game on your Ps3?
Ever play a regular DVD in it?
Thats your proof.

Then explain to me, Mr. DVD (sorry, that sounded pompous), how on earth could you play MGS4 as is (on a blu-ray disc) with a PS3 with no blu-ray?

How can you play CoD4 on PS3 with no blu-ray as the disc itself is blu-ray?
How can you play Resistance 2, Killzone 2, LittleBigPlanet, and just about every damn game out for PS3 right now if Sony decided to sell a PS3 with no blu-ray (aka, a freakin' PS2!)

And no, reformatting the games is not an option and if I have to explain to you why that isn't an option than I really feel sorry for you.

Um.. explain to me why it is impossible to reformat these games onto a different medium?
Blu-ray disks are not some sort of magic wand, they are just another form of data storage, nothing more, nothing less. Just like a hard drive. Thats it. They store data, that data is read from them.
The PS3 reads data from DVD's as well. It plays games from Dvd's as well.
So what magic reason exists for why those games could not be placed on Dvds?
Tell me, does your gaming experience really depend upon the size of the disk it's on?? Even if the graphics of a game were lowered to suit another system, if it retained the same gameplay would it really wreck your experience beyond your ability to sustain?
There are still PS2 versions of PS3 games being made... does that mean those people buying the PS2 version arent having any fun with their versions of the game because it's on a less powerful system and the graphics arent super duper awesome?

MGS4 is approximately 32 gbs in size. A standard Dual layer 360 disk i believe holds something close to 9 gbs. Thats 4 disks by my math, MAYBE 5.

Considering that regardless of what console you are playing on the game is gonna cost you $60 bucks, it doesnt matter to me whether you use 1 blu ray or 10 dvds if I can still have the same gaming experience. You can argue all day long about practicality.

But to say it's Impossible is just towing the Sony corporate line and eating up all that nonsense about the absolute necessity of Blu-ray.
Bottomline: Blu-ray is a NICE PERK, but it aint the only option available. It's just the only option SONY wants us to have.

 

[Jumplion]

Um.. explain to me why it is impossible to reformat these games onto a different medium?
Blu-ray disks are not some sort of magic wand, they are just another form of data storage, nothing more, nothing less. Just like a hard drive. Thats it. They store data, that data is read from them.
The PS3 reads data from DVD's as well. It plays games from Dvd's as well.
So what magic reason exists for why those games could not be placed on Dvds?

MGS4 is approximately 32 gbs in size. A standard Dual layer 360 disk i believe holds something close to 9 gbs. Thats 4 disks by my math, MAYBE 5.

Considering that regardless of what console you are playing on the game is gonna cost you $60 bucks, it doesnt matter to me whether you use 1 blu ray or 10 dvds if I can still have the same gaming experience. You can argue all day long about practicality.

But to say it's Impossible is just towing the Sony corporate line and eating up all that nonsense about the absolute necessity of Blu-ray.
Bottomline: Blu-ray is a NICE PERK, but it aint the only option available. It's just the only option SONY wants us to have.

Please, by god, tell me how the hell is it probable to reformat every single game on Blu-ray out for the PS3 into DVD? I'll list them all for you;

1) It would be much too expensive, reformatting every Blu-ray game into DVD.
2) Alot of those games were designed around the blu-ray aspect and the hardware of the PS3.
3) Reformatting over 300 games (about the size of the PS3's library I think) is much too difficult.
4) Much much much too expensive and pointless to reformat everything.
5) Complete voiding of every exsiting PS3 game or blu-ray movie out there\
6) Loss of pretty much a key selling point for the PS3
7) Once you get rid of blu-ray, what the hell is left?
8) Once again, way to expensive and pointless.
9) It would be a god damn PS2!
10) Developers would have to redevelop their games to the sudden new line of PS3s with no blu-ray.
11) Severe hardware limitations without the extra space in blu-ray
12) It makes absolutely no sense in any form of business.

I can list this all day.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but while you may be able to play DVDs on a Blu-ray player, it doesn't work the other way around. You can't play Blu-ray disks on DVDs unless for some reason there's a miracle DVD player.

You claim that it would be a good business decision, but I will be quite blunt, with nothing personal to you, it's an extremely stupid idea. How the hell is it a good business decision to cut pretty much the one thing that separates the PS3 from the competitors? Who gives a damn about the price being cut if the entire point of the system is removed?!

This is like saying that removing the motion sensing of the Wii in a new line of consoles is a smart move, or downgrading LIVE enough so that people don't have to pay $5 a month is a good idea. Just because it makes it cheaper, and that it could lower the price, does not mean it's a good idea.

You are not thinking with common sense. Remove the lemons from the lemonade, and what do you have? Very sugary ice cubes.

 

[HyenaThePirate]

Um.. explain to me why it is impossible to reformat these games onto a different medium?
Blu-ray disks are not some sort of magic wand, they are just another form of data storage, nothing more, nothing less. Just like a hard drive. Thats it. They store data, that data is read from them.
The PS3 reads data from DVD's as well. It plays games from Dvd's as well.
So what magic reason exists for why those games could not be placed on Dvds?

MGS4 is approximately 32 gbs in size. A standard Dual layer 360 disk i believe holds something close to 9 gbs. Thats 4 disks by my math, MAYBE 5.

Considering that regardless of what console you are playing on the game is gonna cost you $60 bucks, it doesnt matter to me whether you use 1 blu ray or 10 dvds if I can still have the same gaming experience. You can argue all day long about practicality.

But to say it's Impossible is just towing the Sony corporate line and eating up all that nonsense about the absolute necessity of Blu-ray.
Bottomline: Blu-ray is a NICE PERK, but it aint the only option available. It's just the only option SONY wants us to have.

Please, by god, tell me how the hell is it probable to reformat every single game on Blu-ray out for the PS3 into DVD? I'll list them all for you;

1) It would be much too expensive, reformatting every Blu-ray game into DVD.
2) Alot of those games were designed around the blu-ray aspect and the hardware of the PS3.
3) Reformatting over 300 games (about the size of the PS3's library I think) is much too difficult.
4) Much much much too expensive and pointless to reformat everything.
5) Complete voiding of every exsiting PS3 game or blu-ray movie out there\
6) Loss of pretty much a key selling point for the PS3
7) Once you get rid of blu-ray, what the hell is left?
8) Once again, way to expensive and pointless.
9) It would be a god damn PS2!
10) Developers would have to redevelop their games to the sudden new line of PS3s with no blu-ray.
11) Severe hardware limitations without the extra space in blu-ray
12) It makes absolutely no sense in any form of business.

I can list this all day.

You claim that it would be a good business decision, but I will be quite blunt, with nothing personal to you, it's an extremely stupid idea. How the hell is it a good business decision to cut pretty much the one thing that separates the PS3 from the competitors? Who gives a damn about the price being cut if the entire point of the system is removed?!

This is like saying that removing the motion sensing of the Wii in a new line of consoles is a smart move, or downgrading LIVE enough so that people don't have to pay $5 a month is a good idea. Just because it makes it cheaper, and that it could lower the price, does not mean it's a good idea.

You are not thinking with common sense. Remove the lemons from the lemonade, and what do you have? Very sugary ice cubes.

Lol thats not even CLOSE to the same thing.
The wii's very functionality REQUIRES it's motion technology.
You are arguing that the PS3 NEEDS a Blu-ray drive and could not POSSIBLY function without it.
also in your 'list' of reasons why they cannot, you simply repeated the potentially expensive nature of such a process over and over.
And yet, i doubt it would be terribly expensive, at least the cost might negate the loss of having unsold copies of a game just sitting on store shelves because nobody bought them.
Where there is money to be made, business will figure out a way to get it.

And yet, a quick look at pirating communities will show PS3 games that have been ripped and can be downloaded to a modified hard drive and played.
So if that can be done, it's ridiculous to assume they cannot be placed on several dvd's and redistributed.
But I dont need to prove this to you. Sooner or later a PS3 game will make it's way down to the 360, just to prove my point the way 360 games move to the PC and the PS3. Why? Because it's profitable to make your game as available to as large an audience as possible.
Sony has no control over this anyway. It will be a developer decision, assuming developers bother to keep making exclusive PS3 titles anyway, which I doubt because multi-platform games sell more, plain and simple.