The Third Batman Film in the Nolanverse *SPOILERS*

[jim_doki]

thanks for ruining the film.

dude, theres a clear spoiler warning

i'm of the opinion that catwoman could work, but that it should be teased. show no origin of her, have her breaking into things at the same time as Bruce meets Selina Kyle, and have her unmasked at the end. That said, Catwoman can't carry a movie on her own. i see her more as an antihero, more of a good mannered nusance than a big bad.

 

[PedroSteckecilo]

The Joker isn't dead remember, the cops brought him in. Dent is "probably" dead, but remember, Batman doesn't kill and they never "said" he was dead, but he should stay dead, at least until movie number 4, if there is one.

Harley won't show up unless they intend to bring her in as the jokers replacement, its a good way of having "The Joker" without a jaring casting change.

 

[Gravy Devil]

What about Deacon Blackfire from the trade,"The Cult"? The story's all ready there, and not alot of people have heard of it. When you have a villian like the Riddler, Bane or Freeze, you kinda know what to expect out of the film. It deals on a psychological level, with Batman being brainwashed by the Deacon. Not to mention the controversy on Batmans action he takes after being released,(I dont want to spoil it).The plot could be altered for the big screen, and you could have a cameo of Two-Face to follow up.Those that have read the book would know why.

 

[SaintWaldo]

The actor for the animated Batman (Kevin Conroy) did a really good job with the two voices. Keaton's was definitely better. Bale sounds like he's about to cough out a hairball at any second. Blech.

I actually didn't like Conroy's Batman. To me he always sounded worried, not angry. Diff'rent strokes, I guess.

 

[pieeater911]

I think that bringing in Harley Quinn as a replacement for The Joker would be pretty good. Or they could possibly bring in Catwoman so Batman has another love interest. I really think the only way they could make Mr. Freeze work in this kind of movie is if he wasn't like the actual Mr. Freeze in the comics, but was some kind of psychopathic killer who froze people in Liquid nitrogen or something. The Riddler could work too, but they'd have to make him really dark and creepy to be able to match The Joker.

i dunno, we'll just have to see when they're done with the next movie, won't we?

 

[BlazeTheVampire]

The only one I can think of is Catwoman. Unfortunatly, they have to do it right to make it work.

This may have already been said, but I'll be damned if I try to read three pages of comments this early in the... ahem, afternoon.

Was Lucius telling Bruce that the suit will "do fine against cats, though," a reference to Catwoman, do you think? Or was I taking it too seriously? Because I giggled, and nobody else in the theatre did. And I saw the midnight opening, so I was there with all of the other hardcore Batman freaks.

And I happened to like the third X-Men movie, so I refuse to agree that trying a third movie will only end in tears. Hollywood's been kicking a lot of ass with superhero movies lately.

And Chris Nolan did indeed say he refuses to use the Penguin. REFUSES! I don't know, I've always thought the Penguin was gloriously screwed up enough to make interesting.

 

[Malky]

Here's the pitch I've been mulling over:

We need a villain who works as a contrast to the Joker. The Joker is an anarchist, with no goal beyond destruction. This villain needs to be collected and thoughtful, with a plan that Batman has to discover. If The Dark Knight was a crime thriller, this movie would be a detective story.

Three villains pop to mind: The Riddler, Hush and the Black Mask. I vote Riddler, since a serious take on the Riddler as a cunning, sophisticated genius with a plan for getting rich/taking over Gotham/whatever. He adopts the persona as the Riddler and leaves clues because he is compulsively driven to prove his intelligence, and his riddles are a challenge against his adversary, Batman.

If the two-villain pattern is continued, Catwoman would be a great secondary villain. She continues the theme of the Batman-copies in The Dark Knight, taking on a costumed persona, but in her case it's for personal gain. Batman is troubled by her actions and hunts her down, only to be pulled into a complicated romance. He eventually becomes paranoid that the Riddler is behind his romance with her (similar to the Hush storyline) and is using her to distract him from solving the puzzle.

Since the Riddler doesn't have any disfiguring characteristics, Batman could be suspicious that anyone could be the Riddler. This would tie into an overall theme of "the power of masks" as he tries to find the Riddler and Catwoman amongst the people in his life.

 

[Random Argument Man]

-The only way I can see Robin get in there, is if he get in the character of Nightwing. (and he works solo).
-The Riddler: the writers for his script must come up with some gold if they want to pull this out.
-Mrfreeze and poison Ivy: I just hope they're gonna be side vilains. (AND KEEP THE ONE LINERS AWAY).

 

[masterem243]

The next movie could have obsure villans, like the Mad Hatter or the Clock King, but I hope they get some of the mainsteam villans that exist, like the Penguin or the Riddler. There's also the main possibility of the 3rd Batman movie being a Batman/Superman crossover, possibly making the movie a lead-in to the Justice League movie.

 

[masterem243]

-The only way I can see Robin get in there, is if he get in the character of Nightwing. (and he works solo).
-The Riddler: the writers for his script must come up with some gold if they want to pull this out.
-Mrfreeze and poison Ivy: I just hope they're gonna be side vilains. (AND KEEP THE ONE LINERS AWAY).

I believe Nolan said that he'd stay away from any Batman & Robin elements to the series for his 3rd movie (meaning no Batgirl, Robin, Mr. Freeze, Bane, or Poison Ivy)

 

[L.B. Jeffries]

Well, if they're going to follow the plot arc that the films have managed so far it's gonna have to be about Batman going down. The second film was already loaded with elements from 'Watchmen' like calling Batman a vigilante, having him start to really push the edge of acceptable conduct, and offend even his friends with his quest for justice.

So you need a villain who can represent Batman going too far. The first film's villains were reflections of how Batman uses fear & deception as the source of his power. The Joker represents the very thing that gives him an edge: the ability to do whatever the hell he wants. The Joker is just taking that to an awful extreme and revealing how empty that kind of ethos can be.

For my cash, the Ventriloquist would be the best villain to show Batman completely breaking down. It's not me doing it, it's Batman. Bruce Wayne isn't taking things too far, Batman is. Exploring the split identity and dual life of Bruce Wayne in such a way would be a great study. The film ends with Batman hanging it all up, as he realizes he no longer needs the dummy role of Batman to bring justice to Gotham.

 

[jim_doki]

For my cash, the Ventriloquist would be the best villain to show Batman completely breaking down. It's not me doing it, it's Batman. Bruce Wayne isn't taking things too far, Batman is. Exploring the split identity and dual life of Bruce Wayne in such a way would be a great study. The film ends with Batman hanging it all up, as he realizes he no longer needs the dummy role of Batman to bring justice to Gotham.

I think your right, but the movie will end a different way. I think Bruce will be the one to go. In Bruce Wayne: Murderer, it becomes blatantly obvious that Bruce is the Disguise, not Batman

 

[Gahars]

Well, I would like to see dark versions of the Riddler, Mr. Freeze, and Poison Ivy.

The Penguin was already made dark by Tim Burton, so he wouldn't be too hard to use.

But honestly, I agree. It's going to be incredibly hard to trump the Dark Knight.

 

[The Bandit]

***Spoiler Warning*** ok i'm fairly sure that Ra's is dead, i was watching that scene just thinking 'he could survive that, he could survive that' that was until the dam thing blew up all over the place. Sure he is a ninja though so he might have slipped out a window...lol. As for Two Face, i'm not convinced he is dead. i've seen it twice and he definately breathes at least once laying on the ground. Maybe they've just locked him up and for the sake of his reputation claimed he died. Which would be an interesting predicament if he was broken free in the future and hell, maybe Batman doesnt even know about it, cause he did take off in a hurry after the fall. ***Spoiler Warning***

My money's certainly on the Riddler (once more, would love Hugo Weaving in that role), as well as someone more physical like maybe Hush, the two of them do have history together.

He breathes because it's hard to hold your breath forever. Two-Face is dead. EVERYTHING the closing dialog states would be meaningless if he lived. I've heard theories that maybe they quietly moved him to Arkham... At first I thought "well, I guess that's possible"... But then I remembered that what universe we're dealing with here. This is Gotham City... A Gotham City that just got terrorized by the most insane man ever to live. Do you REALLY think that the cops that move him there and the doctors that treat him and maybe other patients that see him would keep it quiet from the public? The guy is dead. Quit dreaming.

As for next villain, I believe Nolan said someone who hasn't been portrayed on screen will be used. The Riddler is my number one choice, considering his obsessive compulsive nature hasn't been accurately displayed... But, if he's out, I want to see Black Mask, Mad Hatter, or Bane. I think they would have to break Batman's back with Bane, which would mean Batman would be captured by Gordan which would lead a bunch of hell to deal with... So, for now, I think he's out.

Also, for those wanting Catwoman, I think it would be too early for her... Bruce Wayne just lost the love of his life, and introducing someone else would just seem cruel.

 

[bobbysteelz]

Actually the batman 2 old movie with divito as pengiun I thought was pretty decent,catwoman was really good in that one as well.

I don't know if going the bane route would be best in the next movie. If anyone has the chance or has read the novel Knightfall it's really good. I used to collect comics from 88-95 and followed the whole bane/batman sage was quite good, but I'm not sure that would be best for the direction. Although Nolan is the man and hasn't disappointed yet so I'll trust his direction.

Batman had a LOT of enemies, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Health Ledger R.I.P, outstanding performance as joker.

 

[bobbysteelz]

In response to all the Penguin stuff at the beginning
Penguin was an economical terrorist, and as such very relevant to current events, also he was often flanked by cat woman so that might make things a bit more intresting.

But for the third one, my vote's for the riddler, he's the most likely even if not the most interesting

I agree thinking about it I think Nolan could recast The Riddler to be a complete badass, the last batman with riddler was comical. Keaton was the only other movie batman that was worthy imo.

 

[Jake Lockley]

Why not Mister Freeze? And I don't mean the way they ruined him in Batman and Robin, I mean the dark cold hearted Mister Freeze like in the animated series. He's a great tragic villian if they told his story right. He could be trying to save the life of his wife by sacrificing the lives of those from whom he needs to harvest biological material. They could even throw a surprise twist in like in Batman Beyond where his head sprouts spider legs and walks away from his body because it's actually cryogenically frozen manipulating a mechanical body.

Beyond Freeze I'd vote for Harley Quinn as a female stalker version of Heath's Joker seeking revenge or Clay Face if they made the character dark enough. There's only a handful or classic Batman villains and most suck but if the story works any could be good.

 

[The Bandit]

All I know is if I have to listen to Bale's raspy old man emphysema batman voice for another movie, I'm gonna puke.

It wasn't bad in Batman Begins, and it's not bad in short sentences... But in extended conversation, like at the end of the movie, it's unbearable. He needs to tone it down some.