To All Atheists: Which Religion Do You Like The Most?
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Another great thing about Buddhism, one can argue about the rules and their validity, yet he/she is still "faithfull" (not the right term for Buddhism)Matronadena said:GiantRedButton said:
as you like using your own mind, I'll give you the biggest debate in Buddhist teachings right now, and let me know what you think.
As Prince Siddhārtha Gautama ( the first Buddha, founder of the philosophy) lay dying after ingesting poisoned mushrooms his family, and followers gathered around him, and he reminded them of the 16 precepts... but in his last breaths told them " ignore all the petty ones"
what is debated in all branches and schools, from roshi, to lay persons is " which is the petty ones"
to be honest Im thinking to a degree he meant all of them
Another interpretation would be that the strong expierience of death changed his opinion on some of them or all of them, this would mean that all rules have to be adopted according to your experience. Not despite, but especially as a result of his beliefs, he might change his view during such an intense experience.
I don´t actually aggre with this, just wanted to bring that up as a counterpoint
From the little I know about Buddhism, one of the most consistant topics is nihilism and the petty of strict rules is a consequencial conclusion of that, if you consider the nihilistic nature of death itself. So this theory would fit his teachings and his situation.
The result for a follower are either to develope his own, personal, set of rules or to declare rules in general as false, because one can´t be certain about something until he has expierienced everything.
I work with little knowledge about him, so some personal expierience might have slipped into it.
I'm an apatheist, meaning I don't actually give a flying monkey's about religion in general. But that doesn't mean I ignore it; I do like a few for several reasons: hmm, lets see...
Lavayan Satanism, aka 'you are where you are today because of yourself and no-one else': now that's an interesting if, uh, selfish philosophy. Good for people whose motto is 'hate world, revenge soon' I reckon.
Islam, now that one's intruiging. I love its rich history and the 'other way of looking at things' which in some cases speaks of the Theory of the Uncanny. I'd love to sit down with one and pester them with questions, 'cause I have loads!!
Christianity...ehh, boring.
All these native religions like the Aboriginal Rainbow Snake - love them if I've found something serious and academic on them, want to stab people who spout all the new-age gibberish that follows.
Ancient religions - prefer Roman over Greek. Egyptian again has too much rubbish followings but thankfully I know where to find REAL information on how it was really done. You can't just have 'the Egyptian religion'; one must take into account where you are and when you are too.
Refuse to mention Scientology because I think it's something else other than a religion.
Aztec, or technically Mexica - good to read about only instead of new-age silliness comes rather frightening defensive websites that seem designed to scare off the casual researcher. Wikipedia on the other hand has somewhat okay coverage, and it was fun to learn about the calendar(s) they have.
Uhh what else is there...
The other three or four major religions - don't really pique my interest unfortunately. 'Cept maybe Buddhism, of which my housemate is; good again for 'another take on things', useful when writing.
Discordianism - would be fun if they weren't so over-the-top silly.
There's plenty more but they've probably just passed under my interest radar.
Lavayan Satanism, aka 'you are where you are today because of yourself and no-one else': now that's an interesting if, uh, selfish philosophy. Good for people whose motto is 'hate world, revenge soon' I reckon.
Islam, now that one's intruiging. I love its rich history and the 'other way of looking at things' which in some cases speaks of the Theory of the Uncanny. I'd love to sit down with one and pester them with questions, 'cause I have loads!!
Christianity...ehh, boring.
All these native religions like the Aboriginal Rainbow Snake - love them if I've found something serious and academic on them, want to stab people who spout all the new-age gibberish that follows.
Ancient religions - prefer Roman over Greek. Egyptian again has too much rubbish followings but thankfully I know where to find REAL information on how it was really done. You can't just have 'the Egyptian religion'; one must take into account where you are and when you are too.
Refuse to mention Scientology because I think it's something else other than a religion.
Aztec, or technically Mexica - good to read about only instead of new-age silliness comes rather frightening defensive websites that seem designed to scare off the casual researcher. Wikipedia on the other hand has somewhat okay coverage, and it was fun to learn about the calendar(s) they have.
Uhh what else is there...
The other three or four major religions - don't really pique my interest unfortunately. 'Cept maybe Buddhism, of which my housemate is; good again for 'another take on things', useful when writing.
Discordianism - would be fun if they weren't so over-the-top silly.
There's plenty more but they've probably just passed under my interest radar.
I don't really like any religions at all. Why? You may or may not be asking. Simply put: whenever you put more than one religion in the same space (which in modern times includes the entire world), you will inevitably get (at best) a lot of childish bickering (all religious debates between the faithful could be paraphrased as: "My Holy Stick is bigger and better than your Holy Stick!"), and (at worst) a lot of wars with lots of genocide in them (see: the Crusades and World War II for the most prevalent examples of this; also, the underlying argument to each side in most of these wars... in this case, the Crusades... could be paraphrased as: "My Holy Stick is bigger and better than your Holy Stick... DIE!!!!")
I have heard some of the faithful say that religion is good for uniting people.
My response:
Oh, yeah, it's good for uniting people under a war-banner.
I have heard some of the faithful say that religion is good for uniting people.
My response:
Oh, yeah, it's good for uniting people under a war-banner.
Not being an atheist I was giving my perspective as an outsider. Fair point though.li-ion said:
Zoroastrianism.
Not because of religious doctrines, I just really like the burial rituals:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Silence
Not because of religious doctrines, I just really like the burial rituals:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_of_Silence
No deity . " the" Buddha, and other Buddha's that came after, like Amieda, are still in large just viewed as teachers and nothing else...though yes there are some sects that you could say hold them as...I guess I could say " demi-god" like.
hehe, you have a natural nature to you though, which nomatter who, or what you are in life is a healthy thing...
"That you carry yourself forward and experience the myriad things is delusion. That the myriad things come forward and experience themselves is awakening"
is what the founder of Zen, Dogen Roshi taught, so your thinking is shared with many..
but you are right, one heavy lesson is the impertinence of all things, it's strongest point is for learning to remove someone from attachments,( again debatable as to exactly how one should take that meaning) and greed
but you have a better understanding I think than you realize... question everything until you yourself experience something, and even then question it...question the teachings...question yourself....then let go of all of it without forgetting about it.. ease your own sufferings, and its many many forms at the root of it all, and help others " when its sought "
GiantRedButton said:From the little I know about Buddhism, one of the most consistent topics is nihilism and the petty of strict rules is a consequential conclusion of that, if you consider the nihilistic nature of death itself. So this theory would fit his teachings and his situation.
The result for a follower are either to develop his own, personal, set of rules or to declare rules in general as false, because one can´t be certain about something until he has experienced everything.
I work with little knowledge about him, so some personal experience might have slipped into it.
hehe, you have a natural nature to you though, which nomatter who, or what you are in life is a healthy thing...
"That you carry yourself forward and experience the myriad things is delusion. That the myriad things come forward and experience themselves is awakening"
is what the founder of Zen, Dogen Roshi taught, so your thinking is shared with many..
but you are right, one heavy lesson is the impertinence of all things, it's strongest point is for learning to remove someone from attachments,( again debatable as to exactly how one should take that meaning) and greed
but you have a better understanding I think than you realize... question everything until you yourself experience something, and even then question it...question the teachings...question yourself....then let go of all of it without forgetting about it.. ease your own sufferings, and its many many forms at the root of it all, and help others " when its sought "
I'm an atheist but I like to think that I follow Buddha's teachings. By the way anyone who said Buddhism as their choice it isn't a religion it's a philosophy so technically it's possible to be a Atheist Buddhist (like me) or even a Theist Buddhist but admittedly the latter is very unlikely.
agreed. I love greek mythology. Although i think all religion will eventually be called mythology. Just look at the beliefs of the ancient greeks, romans, egyptians, vikings, etc.notoriouslynx said:
Pastafarianism. I don't really SUPPORT it (it's just a viral bandwagon), but simply because it mocks all religions taking themselves seriously.
church of the flying spagetti monster (google it) is basically saying that if there is a god why can't there be a airborne pasta dish who made the world
Pleasant to know that i got the foundations of this life philosophy right, it seems to work rather well with my way of thinking. What is more rational than the idea of questioning your expieriences?Matronadena said:
And the aspect of "breaking the cicle" makes alot of sense to me.
It´s hard to start doing something good if everyone around you is a self centered type of person, but if you start to put alot of your energy torwards helping said people, they might be thankful and change, thus you could start a change of your people.
But damn it´s hard to start such a thing.
I respect everyone who activly follows this philosophy and the idea of to let go of your experiences is a hard task for one´s mind.
