To all the Europeans and Aussie's on this forum...

[rossatdi]

P.S The real question is not why America has so many guns and how to take them out. But why we rank at the top for gun related crimes and how to prevent fire arm deaths. Where other countries like Canada have a high population of guns but few gun related crimes.

So I think finding out why America has such a high amount of gun crime should be the real question not the taking the means but finding the motive of the problem.

Short answer:

Long answer:

From my experience with Americans (a year living in Ohio and lots of travel, plus a yankee girlfriend) is that critical thinking is not a natural national attribute. Once their mind is made up, they are right. There's no two ways about it, seeing the other side of the story is not regularly in abundance.

Bizarrely this transfers to their liberal side as well as their conservative. In short the whole country is crazy and needs to be re-colonised.

 

[Chiasm]

Long answer:

From my experience with Americans (a year living in Ohio and lots of travel, plus a yankee girlfriend) is that critical thinking is not a natural national attribute. Once their mind is made up, they are right. There's no two ways about it, seeing the other side of the story is not regularly in abundance.

Bizarrely this transfers to their liberal side as well as their conservative. In short the whole country is crazy and needs to be re-colonised.

No..No it makes sense sadly in some ways, I once made a argument stating the only reason America has the death sentence is to show off to other countries that we are more "hard/tough" then they are. Which is idiotic but oddly makes sense when you think about that loony toons cowboy with the pistols running the government.

But like I said every country has their idiots I mean come on in the UK really? I was only born in Liverpool and get comments about it from other people in England about "Liverpool". I mean really I know it's cool to pick on America but really sometimes people in Europe are blindly stereotyping against Americans as much as they think America is.

It's like am I ok because I was born in the UK,OR am I still a "stupid yank" because I live in America? I mean stereotyping against a country is bad rather your America or Greenland.

 

[Goatlemon]

1 most firearms used in crime(which you foreiners seem to think thats all we use them for)are bought ilegaley and you have the same problems(if not worse i seem to rember in the uk gun violence rose 32% one year)

And where did these illegal guns come from? Do you think perhaps they were once legally owned guns that have fallen into the wrong hands?

The more guns there are, the easier it is for everyone to obtain them. By banning guns there are less legal guns to be stolen and become illegal.

2 children and guns either they are complete idiots and i would like to say almost every kid in the united states knows guns are dangerous and treat them with respect like not aiming them at other people(while auses and brits dont know how to use a gun and half the time shoot somebody)or they stole the gun and are stil idiots or really young(we dont just hand our kids guns they go to clases seminars before anything i had to go through 3 before i could join a bbgun team so we try our damnbest)

So "auses (sic) and brits dont know how to use a gun and half the time shoot somebody", yes? Do you have proof of this? A statistical survey, government or private reports, anything like that? Or are you just making that up?

Proof is a wonderful thing. For example, I can link to the Sporting Shooters Association of Australia site, specifically to the page that shows what you need to do in New South Wales, the most populous state in Australia, to own a firearm.

http://www.ssaansw.org.au/ObtainingAFirearm.htm

Notice this part:

-A certificate showing you have completed an approved Firearms Licence Qualification Course, such as the "SSAA Safe Shooting Course"

Among other things you need to complete a safe shooting course, so I'm sure Australians who own guns know how to use them and don't "half the time shoot somebody".

3 god damned ausies and bloddy brits think there so smart and better without guns but i might ad the last time i heard uk crime was higher than us

Already been covered by someone else, but again if you're going to make a claim like this it's best to provide proof.

This next part is not directed at rads are your friend. I just hear this argument so often that I've finally decided to share my thoughts on it.

As for the whole needing a gun to overthrow the US government should they turn corrupt, what sort of guns do you have? Do you really think that some citizens carrying civilian weapons would really stand a chance against a modern, well equipped, well trained military with tanks, planes, missiles, satellites, and all the other things a modern fighting force has?

So to answer the OP's question; I live in Australia, and I don't believe we need guns here.

PS: I mean no ill will to anyone; I've long ago decided that there is no one size fits all policy for gun control, what work in one culture may not work in another. The reason I posted is because the minute I read phrases like "god damned ausies" and "while auses and brits dont know how to use a gun and half the time shoot somebody", I just knew I wouldn't be able to let it go.

Some people who know me say I can never resist an argument; so sue me.

 

[TMAN10112]

Uhgh, and we wonder why Europe hates us. I've always hated US gun control, because I don't see the point of owning a gun. The harder it is to get a gun the harder it is to commit a crime with a gun. You don't need study's or rate information to know that it make logical seance. Ive shot fire arms at a gun range and I don't get get it, are we as Americans relay so insecure that we need a way to take another lift to feel safe?

Take Japan for an example, the law their is "No-one shall possess a fire-arm or fire-arms or a sword or swords." Few exceptions are made and their is VERY little crime in Japan. In Osaka less than ten crimes per 100,000 people, and about 1 in 100,000 is murder.

I hate US gun control entirely.

Japan has a very different culture then America, and most other nations, so you can't really compare statistics like that and simply come up with less guns=less crime when there are so many differences that are not acounted for.

 

[rossatdi]

Long answer:

From my experience with Americans (a year living in Ohio and lots of travel, plus a yankee girlfriend) is that critical thinking is not a natural national attribute. Once their mind is made up, they are right. There's no two ways about it, seeing the other side of the story is not regularly in abundance.

Bizarrely this transfers to their liberal side as well as their conservative. In short the whole country is crazy and needs to be re-colonised.

No..No it makes sense sadly in some ways, I once made a argument stating the only reason America has the death sentence is to show off to other countries that we are more "hard/tough" then they are. Which is idiotic but oddly makes sense when you think about that loony toons cowboy with the pistols running the government.

But like I said every country has their idiots I mean come on in the UK really? I was only born in Liverpool and get comments about it from other people in England about "Liverpool". I mean really I know it's cool to pick on America but really sometimes people in Europe are blindly stereotyping against Americans as much as they think America is.

It's like am I ok because I was born in the UK,OR am I still a "stupid yank" because I live in America? I mean stereotyping against a country is bad rather your America or Greenland.

It's not stereotyping when it's actually the case. The education system there (at college level no less!) seems to put more of an emphasis on sheer knowledge than critical argument making. That's very much symptomatic of the national psyche I think.

The papers and the news reporting has a clear and overt agenda, at every single level. Yes the British press has its affiliations (especially the dodgy red tops) but we're not talking Fox News here.

Of course its a generalisation, and of course not all Americans are stupid, and of course every country has its own bigoted violent assholes. But the sheer-captialist outlook of "if you fail, its your fault" has done wonders for removing any chance of 'walk a mile in their shoes' happening regularly.

And for what it counts, I really like America. I like their women (the accent makes it sooo easy), I like their food (burgers, steaks, ribs, tabasco, burritos), I like their drinks (malts and bourbon), I like their culture (Bukowski, Raymond Chandler, Easy Rider, Futurama) and I like the fact they're normally much more friendly at a social level.

It's a potential that America's religiosity is partially at hand here. The country, more than most western developed countries, believes. And it specifically believes in quite an aggressive form of Christianity (now I know this is generalising but there is not a similar European equivalent of the Bible belt). The world view that there is good and there is evil must have an effect on a society.

After the horrors of WWI & II Europe had to look at itself pretty hard. The Germans had to come to terms with what they did. The British had to come to terms with firebombing a European city to the ground and the slow decline of the Empire. The French has to deal with losing again. The US only really inflicted those things miles from home (the firebombing of Japan was insane, 550,000 civilian causalities).

Man, I could write a dissertation on this. I'd like to study it properly actually.

 

[Chiasm]

After the horrors of WWI & II Europe had to look at itself pretty hard. The Germans had to come to terms with what they did. The British had to come to terms with firebombing a European city to the ground and the slow decline of the Empire. The French has to deal with losing again. The US only really inflicted those things miles from home (the firebombing of Japan was insane, 550,000 civilian causalities).

Man, I could write a dissertation on this. I'd like to study it properly actually.

I agree I think WWI and II really changed how America and Europe split even more, Like I was thinking the huge amounts of public transportation blew me away in the UK I mean you never needed a car. I could easily see how someone in the UK could think America has to many cars due to our just plain horrible issues we have with public transportation which I think is due to the rebuilding of Europe after WWII allowed them to make a new push into better transportation while America still had to rely on the long roads and "cheap gas" with no forward thinking for public transportation.

I just feel like we both have pointed out their seems to be a lot of other factors involved with the Media,Type of Education and average thinking that is different and influences the gun laws and ability to control them.

P.S It's amazing how one idea on a issue leads to other surrounding issues that deal with it more so with issues dealing with culture.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Wish I had one? Sometimes.

Wish my neighbour had one? Never.

Wish the pikeys had them? Not in a million years.

 

[DeusFps]

Good idea. But only if people with IQ above 125 can own one.

 

[TMAN10112]

Good idea. But only if people with IQ above 125 can own one.

I would support that.

 

[rossatdi]

After the horrors of WWI & II Europe had to look at itself pretty hard. The Germans had to come to terms with what they did. The British had to come to terms with firebombing a European city to the ground and the slow decline of the Empire. The French has to deal with losing again. The US only really inflicted those things miles from home (the firebombing of Japan was insane, 550,000 civilian causalities).

Man, I could write a dissertation on this. I'd like to study it properly actually.

I agree I think WWI and II really changed how America and Europe split even more, Like I was thinking the huge amounts of public transportation blew me away in the UK I mean you never needed a car. I could easily see how someone in the UK could think America has to many cars due to our just plain horrible issues we have with public transportation which I think is due to the rebuilding of Europe after WWII allowed them to make a new push into better transportation while America still had to rely on the long roads and "cheap gas" with no forward thinking for public transportation.

I just feel like we both have pointed out their seems to be a lot of other factors involved with the Media,Type of Education and average thinking that is different and influences the gun laws and ability to control them.

P.S It's amazing how one idea on a issue leads to other surrounding issues that deal with it more so with issues dealing with culture.

Agreed. Something along the lines of (if you'd care to agree/disagree):


America is generally more absolutist in its views.
America is generally very capitalist and public spending is comparatively low.
Society is unequal in all countries but exceptionally so in the USA and its is highly 'ghettoised'.
Income inequality is one of the leading causes of violence.

Therefore: The combination of poverty, inequality and absolutist mentality leads to more violence than would be otherwise be expected.

 

[Vlane]

I never wanted a gun and I probably never will. I don't know why I would ever need one.

 

[Lord George]

Guns kill people, a lot. I don't think there are many situations in fact when a gun would help you in day to day life. Why does America have such a high homicide rate and have high school shootings ? because of guns. its not a good idea to allow any angry person to get there hands on a weapon. Yet America doesn't seem to have grasped this yet.

 

[Goatlemon]

sorry ime tired of being descriminated against oh guns can be collectables(i personally own a moisn nagant 1943 used by the soviet union in ww2 so ha they arent killing machins like most euro and aussies think)

God, you are thick. Can't understand half what you have written. Maybe instead of spending so much time on gun awareness, you will take an english class. But what can one expect from Ggeorge W. Bush (a biggest hillbilly ever).

that is mean(that really is mean)dont you think ive tried i worked on it for 7 years and i still cant write dont you think its hard on me enough no one can read when i write and you dont have to rub salt in the wounds im nice enough not to say anything about you(until the next thing)

and yes i am very smart you ignerant unwashed foreiner go back to your castle youre turnips need tinding i was pointing out how i turned a tool of war into a decoration that is also a peice of history that dosent need to be destroyd as you so think

Wait, you're crying because he took a shot at you for your spelling and call him mean; fair enough, but you have called at least two people stupid in this thread, nilcypher and Ploppy, and then call andromeda23 an "ignerant unwashed foreiner" and tell him to "go back to your castle youre turnips need tinding".

Ever heard of people in glass houses?

 

[ROFLross]

nope. I hate the use of guns.

Ditto.