To all the Europeans and Aussie's on this forum...

[Goatlemon]

People should be allowed to own guns no matter the consequences.
It's a matter of principle, freedom is the greatest value.

What about the freedom to buy legal heroine no matter the consequences? Or the freedom to rape children no matter the consequences? How about the freedom to torture animals no matter the consequences?

If freedom is the greatest value then surely it's a matter of principle that all of those things and more are also a matter of principle, no matter the consequences.

 

[Bagaloo]

A little odd how so many people are using the term "we" as if they speak for the entirety of Europe and Australia (I must have missed that election).

Personally, no guns for me.

 

[Blue Sonnet]

People should be allowed to own guns no matter the consequences.
It's a matter of principle, freedom is the greatest value.

I prefer the freedom of walking down the street without being shot.

Sorry, I realise that was a trite statement, but I always, always think that when that particular argument is used. People do still get shot in this country, but a lot less than in countries where gun ownership is legal.

This may be an incorrect generalisation, but so far I haven't found anything to contradict it.

Isn't the part of the US constitution (where the Freedom argument tends to be made) that deals with this from a time when guns were needed in order to protect life and property as a matter of course? The population rarely needs guns anymore with the policing system able to get almost anywhere within minutes?

From what I can tell, nine times out of ten guns are needed to protect people from other people with guns.

This is just my opinion at present, not an attack on anyone. If I'm incorrect on some facts, please say so.

Edit:

ok i read your comment and ist just because it has been said 10 ten times i want a real anser not just a common anser

and you said there evil again so VOIDED

I literally have no idea what you just said - how is a "common" answer different from a "real" answer?

Are you seriously asking people a question then vetoing ones that you don't like?

Please tell me I've misunderstood. And please don't be so hostile to people who say things you don't like. This isn't that sort of forum, and that's why I come here.

 

[EonEire]

I'm glad not everybody here has one. Only Criminal Gangs and they only shoot each other so no loss there at all. There is the occasional "mistaken ID" kill but they don't happen that often. If they allowed guns here I would be out the gap an onto another sane country.

 

[Zykon TheLich]

People should be allowed to own guns no matter the consequences.
It's a matter of principle, freedom is the greatest value.

What about the freedom to buy legal heroine no matter the consequences?

Hell yeah!!

Also, it's spelt Heroin (unless you think we should be able to buy Joan of Arc)

 

[KaiRai]

I think the Swiss idea is a good one.
With the rising illegal gun crime here, I think we should be allowed licensed guns.
Also our regular Police force should get pistols of some description as they're frequently being faced with firearms

 

[Darkong]

um i have a REAL question why do you euros and aussies hate guns so much all you ever say is there bad or there a tool of war or crime comes from guns why dont you give a contenplative anser or a positive one for once

i have one i personally collect guns becaus of there look,history,and decorative ability

please include your country

Its all a difference of culture, in America guns are celebrated and given a cultural importance, some people consider it a rite of passage to shoot a gun, in gangs its sometimes considered a rite of passage to shoot someone, this is the difference.

Here in the UK most people think you're a pussy if you shoot someone, the line of thought is, "That wimp couldn't fight his own battle and had to use a gun," obviously its seen differently for military forces because they're in a combat situation but for citizens, its kind of in our culture to use fists in fights rather than guns, people who use knives are looked at with much the same disdain, though sadly that is changing.

I suspect that many Australians would feel the same since they seem to appreciate a good brawl as much as we Brits do.

 

[Goatlemon]

lso,

People should be allowed to own guns no matter the consequences.
It's a matter of principle, freedom is the greatest value.

What about the freedom to buy legal heroine no matter the consequences?

Hell yeah!!

Also, it's spelt Heroin

Indeed, but how do you know I wasn't talking about the right to own your very own Lara Croft?

Although personally I would prefer my own Aya Brea from Parasite Eve. <3

If scumofsociety edits his post and later points it out any subsequent posts he makes regarding this post are void, further more should he retaliate in any way to this his existence will be void.

I win. Should I not win, the Universe is void.

 

[Zykon TheLich]

Indeed, but how do you know I wasn't talking about the right to own your very own Lara Croft?

Although personally I would prefer my own Aya Brea from Parasite Eve. <3

See edit, which incidentally, I got in before you posted this


@ Rads: I don't hate guns, I actually quite like them. However, I do not trust my fellow man not to be dicks. English BTW.

 

[Aardvark Soup]

Absolutely not. And I'm glad it's illegal. There are many idiots in the world, and the only thing more dangerous than an idiot is an idiot with a gun, and the only thing more dangerous than an idiot with a gun is an idiot with a gun who knows that almost everyone else also has a gun so he better use his first.

 

[Goatlemon]

Indeed, but how do you know I wasn't talking about the right to own your very own Lara Croft?

Although personally I would prefer my own Aya Brea from Parasite Eve. <3

See edit, which incidentally, I got in before you posted this


@ Rads: I don't hate guns, I actually quite like them. However, I do not trust my fellow man not to be dicks. English BTW.

See my post again. This post is now VOID.

If you don't agree then all puppies are void. You don't want to void the puppies do you?

 

[Zykon TheLich]

Indeed, but how do you know I wasn't talking about the right to own your very own Lara Croft?

Although personally I would prefer my own Aya Brea from Parasite Eve. <3

See edit, which incidentally, I got in before you posted this


@ Rads: I don't hate guns, I actually quite like them. However, I do not trust my fellow man not to be dicks. English BTW.

See my post again. This post is now VOID.

If you don't agree then all puppies are void. You don't want to void the puppies do you?

I void puppies for breakfast Mofo!!!

PS...I seem to be still existing...so it must be YOU who is VOID Mr Smartypants!

 

[sirdapfrey]

Normally I wouldn't even respond to a thread that is essentially the same thing I've seen a number of times even in my short time in this community so far, but I just can't hold my tongue (or fingers, I should say) any more.

I'm used to America being everyone's punching bag. I can deal with that because I am a rational adult and I love my country. But I am sick and tired of peoples' assumptions that I and everyone else here is "a gun-toting, foreign-hating, redneck, etc..." Why don't some of you do a little research before bashing America for its gun ownership. I don't know who it was said "every household in America has a gun in it," or something to that effect. Really? That's news to me. Could you maybe come to my house and find a gun because I can't find one. And neither can dozens of other Americans I can name of the top of my head. This is just one example of the stupity and ignorance I came across time and time again while reading this thread.

Does ANYONE realize that negative gun publicity is given 3,094,825,974 more times the media attention than anything positive that involves any gun? (Yes, I made that number up. If everyone else can make up facts, then so can I.) How many of you complaining about us have actually been here or had real experience with us? Hell, how many of you are even adults that can provide an adult perspective on what a lot consider to be an adult subject?

Fortunately for me, I am on a break at work so I don't have the time to go on any further about this (although I could go on all day). I normally do not rant on like this, but I had had enough this time. Maybe next time I feel like this, I'll just start a new thread:

"To all Americans on this forum"
And then start bashing Europe and Australia

EDIT: I don't really want to bash anyone; just making a point.

 

[_Serendipity_]

I've not really seen this as a 'Lets bash America' thread, more a 'Guns are bad!' thread...

Edit: Okay, it's mostly a 'Guns are bad' thread. Also, can you really think of a 'positive' news story involving a gun, that didn't also include a gun in a negative light?

 

[ThePlasmatizer]

I'm used to America being everyone's punching bag. I can deal with that because I am a rational adult and I love my country. But I am sick and tired of peoples' assumptions that I and everyone else here is "a gun-toting, foreign-hating, redneck, etc..." Why don't some of you do a little research before bashing America for its gun ownership. I don't know who it was said "every household in America has a gun in it," or something to that effect. Really? That's news to me. Could you maybe come to my house and find a gun because I can't find one. And neither can dozens of other Americans I can name of the top of my head.

It doesn't stop someone else who has legal possession of a firearm coming into your house and killing everyone in it.

You can talk about freedom all you want but very few people have the temperance, responsibility and empathy to be given the power of life and death over someone else.