Best thing to do is to go and get the experience, recreational shooting never stops being fun.Armitage Shanks said:
Top 5 Rifles Ever Made
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I thought it was the FG42 he didnt likeL3m0n_L1m3 said:
it was ugly as hell like, but given to the fallshirmjager elites. well it would have been, if theyd made enough.
OT:
L85R (britain!)
M4 Carbine (accurate and fast-firing)
SMLE short magazine lee enfield (best BA rifle of WW2)
Karabina 98 (second best)
BAR browning assault rifle (i just like it, although it was too heavy, inaccurate and didnt have the rate of fire with only a 20 round magazine)
Not in a certain order, but if we're talking military rifles:
FN-FAL
Sako M90
SCAR
Mosin-Nagant (Although the bolt design is supposedly more complicated than an M/K 98 I've always found it easier to operate and disassemble, and I've found it to be more accurate than a Mauser)
SKS-45, I've always loved them. They were a precursor to the AK-47 sure, but they are more accurate and have a higher muzzle velocity than the AK-47. They also tend to jam less. Throw a reliable 20 round mag in them, and it's better than an AK.
FN-FAL
Sako M90
SCAR
Mosin-Nagant (Although the bolt design is supposedly more complicated than an M/K 98 I've always found it easier to operate and disassemble, and I've found it to be more accurate than a Mauser)
SKS-45, I've always loved them. They were a precursor to the AK-47 sure, but they are more accurate and have a higher muzzle velocity than the AK-47. They also tend to jam less. Throw a reliable 20 round mag in them, and it's better than an AK.
http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/ruger-10-22-usst.jpgUltraParanoia said:
That's one, right? It looks like something from Borderlands.
The L85 is a piece of shit whose engineers hired H&K to fix their shitty design to make it mediocre at best. I've fired it and it is a piece of crap.Ishnuvalok said:
The Valmet is just an accurized AK. It is nothing new. Galil will do the same shit for alot cheaper.
Yes please explain about the FAL. It is obviously a capable rifle which has the 3rd highest production after the AK and M-16. It has been dubbed the Right Arm of The Free World and is used by real men, not armchair commandos.
Haha! The FNC, the one that failed to sell and was cancelled in favor of a better design? I would have respected you a little more had you said the SIG 550 or the StG90.
You are pretty much dead on with the M-16 and any models A2 and above.
You can hit the side of a barn with an AK if you put it on SEMI and not AUTO. AUTO is a waste of ammo. Real men use SEMI in combat. Gamers and illiterate conscripts use AUTO in combat and end up dead from those who fired back in SEMI.
Vanguard_Ex yeah that's a 10/22, they take to modification real well.
These are all 10/22s
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/Muzzleblast/TommyDrum11.jpg
http://www.themartialist.com/images/tac2207.jpg
http://gunbucket.com/gunblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/main_image.jpg
http://vpcblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/10-22gatling.jpg
It's part of the reason they are so awesome.
These are all 10/22s
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/Muzzleblast/TommyDrum11.jpg
http://www.themartialist.com/images/tac2207.jpg
http://gunbucket.com/gunblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/main_image.jpg
http://vpcblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/10-22gatling.jpg
It's part of the reason they are so awesome.
Where are you shopping for your Ak-47? I found a site that sells them for less than 300.Frank_Sinatra_ said:
The Mosin is more simple than the Mausers and fires the sheer awesomeness of the 7.62x54R.Vern said:
CLIPS are what the m1 garand and Lee Enfield use. (They actually CLIP them together)RAND00M said:
MAGS are box-type things that hold bullets over a spring that pushes them up thru the top.
Never again.
What I see in this thread is a lot fanboyism over guns 50 years and older from a lot of people who dont really know guns because they're not providing any real meat to the meal.
The AR series is garbage. Trial and error shouldn't be the exclusive method of improving a gun intented for defending air force bases in field conditions worse than slightly excessive wind speeds made by a company that got to produce them en mass because they were the lowest bidder. Not everything from Germany is gold, most of it is overpriced and overhyped. Quality engineering is nothing more than a stereotype and good marketing. HK doesn't make crap, but they dont always make gold either. (FAL > G3) The AK series - There's a reason you can get 50 62-year-old guns for 6 dollars in most parts of the uncivilized world, just saying. That and it's a 62 year old gun. We dont have anything better yet? I'm calling bull****.
First you people need to get some standard definition of what would equate to the bestust rifflez evarz.
I propose:
1) Most Reliability (How often it breaks. Materials used. Will this thing rust on me?)
2) Highest Accuracy
3) Longest Effective Range
4) Greatest Stopping Power (Amount of kinetic force transfered to target)
5) Ease of Use (Recoil, Repair, Trigger safety and other functions, guns do more than shoot.)
6) Features (case ejector position, closed/open bolt, etc.)
7) Ergonomics (Feel, adjustable stock, grip, etc.)
8) Available Accessories (Bipods, Grenade Launchers)
9) Anything else that isn't "This gun was used by country X in war Y because company Z got the lowest bid and is real popular." N'Sync was popular, Spice Girls were popular, they both suck. I dont care where it came from or who used it, only how it performs.
Not really my thread but thats a proposal for getting this thread to be something other than a carbon copy of at least...a zillion others. Search button you know?
The AR series is garbage. Trial and error shouldn't be the exclusive method of improving a gun intented for defending air force bases in field conditions worse than slightly excessive wind speeds made by a company that got to produce them en mass because they were the lowest bidder. Not everything from Germany is gold, most of it is overpriced and overhyped. Quality engineering is nothing more than a stereotype and good marketing. HK doesn't make crap, but they dont always make gold either. (FAL > G3) The AK series - There's a reason you can get 50 62-year-old guns for 6 dollars in most parts of the uncivilized world, just saying. That and it's a 62 year old gun. We dont have anything better yet? I'm calling bull****.
First you people need to get some standard definition of what would equate to the bestust rifflez evarz.
I propose:
1) Most Reliability (How often it breaks. Materials used. Will this thing rust on me?)
2) Highest Accuracy
3) Longest Effective Range
4) Greatest Stopping Power (Amount of kinetic force transfered to target)
5) Ease of Use (Recoil, Repair, Trigger safety and other functions, guns do more than shoot.)
6) Features (case ejector position, closed/open bolt, etc.)
7) Ergonomics (Feel, adjustable stock, grip, etc.)
8) Available Accessories (Bipods, Grenade Launchers)
9) Anything else that isn't "This gun was used by country X in war Y because company Z got the lowest bid and is real popular." N'Sync was popular, Spice Girls were popular, they both suck. I dont care where it came from or who used it, only how it performs.
Not really my thread but thats a proposal for getting this thread to be something other than a carbon copy of at least...a zillion others. Search button you know?
From what I've heard it's generally accepted that the Mosin bolt body is more complicated because it has three main pieces as opposed to the two main pieces of the Mauser. However, having owned both, I've never got my Mosin bolt cocked incorrectly during assembly that I needed to use a screw driver to reassemble and gouge a chunk of flesh out of my hand. The safety on a Mauser cocks the whole process up. And yes, the 7.62x54R is an amazing round, one of my favorites. Still amazing that a rifle and round designed over 100 years ago can still put rounds dead center reliably.the mechsican said:
This thread really needs to be renamed Top Five Assault rifles ever made. We've had rifles for over 200 hundreds and they come in every shape and size. Their uses range from war to sporting to hunting.
I think an important thing is to compare the rifle to what was around at the time, in that vein an AK47 was pretty revolutionary, and as I mentioned earlier the Ferguson rifle was ridiculously awesome for the time.
So sure a SCAR or something may be be accurate and reliable, but it's still just a great weapons in a market of good weapons.
Now with a Ferguson rifle against men with muskets, you'd be firing four times faster (while being able to lie prone) and four times further that's an insane advantage.
I think an important thing is to compare the rifle to what was around at the time, in that vein an AK47 was pretty revolutionary, and as I mentioned earlier the Ferguson rifle was ridiculously awesome for the time.
So sure a SCAR or something may be be accurate and reliable, but it's still just a great weapons in a market of good weapons.
Now with a Ferguson rifle against men with muskets, you'd be firing four times faster (while being able to lie prone) and four times further that's an insane advantage.