Transgender Day of Rememberance

[CODE-D]

Those people died doing/serving a duty to their country and providing for their family.
They also probably experienced horrors beyond social rejection.

To play devils advocate, those people are doing a "duty" which personal I do not value.
"duty" is a strange thing to me, that causes many to assume some form of responsibility to a mass of dirt.

Then your probably thinking of the wrong war.

 

[Mischa87]

Yeah man, that's pretty bad. It's not like normal people are murdered with anything NEAR that kind of frequency!
Oh wait.

Well, if you wanted some stats comparing "normal" women and transwomen, I can do that, I've got three for you that line up rather nicely, called the 4/40/400 stats. (And I apoligize, I unfortunately cannot cite my source on that, it was nearly a decade ago I've read this, the stats could of very well changed since then as well (I hope they changed for the better if they did)

In comparison to ciswomen:

Transwomen are 4 times more likely to be the victim of a violent crime.

Transwomen are 40 times more likely to end up homeless.

And transwomen are 400 times more likely to be the victim of sexual abuse.

 

[kzeelio]

Transgender Day of Remembrance? Serious? I'm sure all the veterans would feel super about this.

The veterans already have their own day.

Yeah they do, and they earned it.

Yes because we should remember only those who kill enough people for our government, not those victimized by out society.

Those people died doing/serving a duty to their country and providing for their family and on massive scale and over years.
They also probably experienced horrors beyond social rejection.

I think you're forgetting that the Transgendered Day of Remembrance is NOT a national holiday. It's celebrated by a group of people to whom it has meaning. You aren't being forced to recognize it.

You know what IS a national holiday? Veteran's Day.

So tell me why TGDoR is disrespectful to soldiers?

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

I am so glad this day/week exists. Even if I did only learn about it just now. Oh well.

I myself am not transgendered, but I know enough transgendered people closely enough that I've seen enough pain to last me a lifetime. Nobody should have to live every day of their lives questioning their very identity. And no-one should be killed for it. That these evils of the world exist makes my very heart scream out in sadness. But hey, that's why days like this exist!

Thankyou for sharing this. You honestly have no idea how much it means to me and my friends.

 

[thethird0611]

I was putting out there a scenario that didnt matter if you were making it up or it was real.

You said AIS is "not a real condition", and I provided references to discredit you. Why would anyone take your biology information seriously after you made such a big error?

*clap clap clap* For once again trying to pick apart the words, getting off topic, and trying to discredit someone to seem bigger.

What are you talking about? You called me ignorant and made false statements, I corrected you with references. I'm not just picking apart your words, I am picking apart the false content of your words.

Can you please answer the ideas brought up in my last post if you so care to? Id much rather respond to that.

Sure, I'll do that as soon as you admit that androgen sensitivity syndrome is a real condition, and that women with AIS have XY chromosomes. As soon as you understand this you'll see why the ideas in your last post are completely wrong.

Look, im going to post this to prove my point, and elaborate on a few things. If this discussion doesnt go back on topic though between you and me, I am not going to respond to it anymore.


"Whew, alot of ignorance up in here. Good job, (----->'even'<------ if that isnt a real disorder). Let me paraphrase if there was a misunderstanding."

I did not espressly say its real, I just didnt trust wikipedia articles on my medical advice.

No, I am giving you true statments about the problem, you are countering me with wikipedia articles. To me, wikipedia doesnt suffice. Ive seen heavily tested studies fall through the cracks just from bias. So dont ever give me those please.

I will not admit that it is real, but I am not admitting it isnt. I have no reason to believe either way at this point.

There you go.

 

[Gmans uncle]

Going to a candlelit vigil tomorrow, mostly to show support for a transgender friend, but also because some dicks pulled down all the fliers she put up for it in school, and if no one showed up to something I set up and really cared about like this, I'd be pissed.

 

[Mischa87]

It doesn't take away and it adds, therefore I have no real issue with it. If people want to have a day of remembrance for friends or family or whatever who happen to have been transgendered and were killed specifically due to that fact, more power to them.

Also, the 1 every 3 thing needs context. Is that simply every three days one person of transgender mindset is being murdered? Or are they being murdered because they are transgendered? There's a big gap in those two statistics.

Thanks for the support (And for everyone else's support as well) And yeah, I see your point there, I'll be sure to edit it, but yes, I intended it as in they were murdered because they were transgendered.

 

[Cameron Everett]

ignorance and hatred towards ANY societal group, and demeaning the lives lost through suicide and/or murder because of the way they choose to conduct their lives is the lowest, basest and frankly most pathetic thing another HUMAN BEING can do to another. ANYONE who's promoted ignorance, hatred or contempt to this is truly pathetic.

 

[CODE-D]

Transgender Day of Remembrance? Serious? I'm sure all the veterans would feel super about this.

The veterans already have their own day.

Yeah they do, and they earned it.

Yes because we should remember only those who kill enough people for our government, not those victimized by out society.

Those people died doing/serving a duty to their country and providing for their family and on massive scale and over years.
They also probably experienced horrors beyond social rejection.

As if they uphold all of society. Pfft, much more is essential than them.

Yes, just social rejection. That's what murder is. Let's not stop to use something stupid like a brain and consider things like that. Or that the big difference in suicide rate probably means something.

Yes lets not stop using our brains.
I assume murder for them is the extreme and ultimate offense to them.
But how about millions of murders, crimes against humanity, unneeded loss of several friends and loved ones, genocide and a suicide rate that makes the other not even compare.(A veteran commits suicide every 80 minutes)

most deserve/earned their day, however cynical you are about it.

 

[isometry]

I did not espressly say its real, I just didnt trust wikipedia articles on my medical advice.

No, I am giving you true statments about the problem, you are countering me with wikipedia articles. To me, wikipedia doesnt suffice. Ive seen heavily tested studies fall through the cracks just from bias. So dont ever give me those please.

I anticipated you pulling the wikipedia card so I specifically said there were links to over 100 pure reviewed references on the page I offered. I've studied AIS from medical textbooks and before you claim the disorder not to exist you probably should have searched for it.

I will not admit that it is real, but I am not admitting it isnt. I have no reason to believe either way at this point.

There you go.

Excellent, I am in total agreement that you don't know what your talking about. Since AIS is very well documented you'll have no trouble learning about it if you decide to.

 

[Gibboniser]

Yay for humanity.

I'm disappointed in my own race.

 

[Dexiro]

To try and be least offensive as possible(even though I dont care) I say these people should not be remembered and I really have no idea as to why they should.

Because trans-people have incredibly tough lives. Due to a mental disorder they feel they live their lives feeling that they were born the wrong gender, this in itself can make your life living hell; low self-esteem, loss of identity, emotions strong enough to make people want to go through very extreme and expensive surgery.

Then to top it off you have social issues; you have to deal with coming out as trans, you have to deal with constant discrimination (living as the opposite gender is a lot harder to hide in public and even less accepted than homosexuality), and massive frustration caused by innocent little things like referring to a trans-person as their original gender.

This "rememberance" thing is probably to raise awareness about these issues. They're effectively being discriminated against for having a disorder that's already incredibly taxing so we need to make sure they're treated as well as possible.

I mean look at the figures in the first post; "70% of transpeople commit suicide before 30", "1 transgender person is killed every 3 days", it's a big issue.

 

[orangeban]

Transgendered people are often overlooked I feel when we talk about minorities. It's always got to me how they get lumped in with gay/bisexual people, when it's not really a sexuality thing. They deserve their own catagory is what I'm saying.

And while I wouldn't be so bold as to call myself transgendered (that'd be insulting to actual transgendered people) I don't really give a shit about my genitals, I wouldn't be too upset if my outie got replaced with an innie. No more upset than if my hair changed colour.

 

[Thistlehart]

The TGDoR thing is good, for those that it affects and those close to them. I have difficulty, though, in feeling much pity. Rage, yes, but not pity. I feel rage for them having been attacked, but I feel no pity or empathy for their plight.

If they want to live that way, they will have to accept that assholes will not like it, and they need to be prepared to fight in their own defense, and kill if necessary. And I'm not even going to get into the people who kill themselves because "it's too hard."

Please do not feed me the line "But they shouldn't have to deal with assholes because it's wrong!" Cite me an instance in history where people were reasonable and I can cite you five (from the same era) where they were vicious, small-minded, monsters.

You want to be different? Learn to defend yourself, or be prepared to be hurt and/or killed, because if you're not willing to fight, sweat, bleed, or die for what you want, you don't deserve it.

 

[Mischa87]

Going to a candlelit vigil tomorrow, mostly to show support for a transgender friend, but also because some dicks pulled down all the fliers she put up for it in school, and if no one showed up to something I set up and really cared about like this, I'd be pissed.

Unfortunately, in my backwards little town, there is no such event happening (It was hard enough for my friends and I to get a GSA set up here...) So I can't attend, but I'll be there in spirit... and on Second Life (With Second Life having a huge TG community they do a pretty good job every year in honouring those lost)

Thanks for yours, and everyone else's support.

 

[SamuelT]

Transgender Day of Remembrance? Serious? I'm sure all the veterans would feel super about this.

The veterans already have their own day.

Yeah they do, and they earned it.

Yes because we should remember only those who kill enough people for our government, not those victimized by out society.

Those people died doing/serving a duty to their country and providing for their family and on massive scale and over years.
They also probably experienced horrors beyond social rejection.

As if they uphold all of society. Pfft, much more is essential than them.

Yes, just social rejection. That's what murder is. Let's not stop to use something stupid like a brain and consider things like that. Or that the big difference in suicide rate probably means something.

Yes lets not stop using our brains.
I assume murder for them is the extreme and ultimate offense to them.
But how about millions of murders, crimes against humanity, unneeded loss of several friends and loved ones, genocide and a suicide rate that makes the other not even compare.(A veteran commits suicide every 80 minutes)

most deserve/earned their day, however cynical you are about it.

Aw man. I honestly was agreeing with you throughout the thread until you pulled that statistic. Y'know how fast we'd be through our Veterans if that were true?

 

[Mischa87]

The TGDoR thing is good, for those that it affects and those close to them. I have difficulty, though, in feeling much pity. Rage, yes, but not pity. I feel rage for them having been attacked, but I feel no pity or empathy for their plight.

If they want to live that way, they will have to accept that assholes will not like it, and they need to be prepared to fight in their own defense, and kill if necessary. And I'm not even going to get into the people who kill themselves because "it's too hard."

Please do not feed me the line "But they shouldn't have to deal with assholes because it's wrong!" Cite me an instance in history where people were reasonable and I can cite you five (from the same era) where they were vicious, small-minded, monsters.

You want to be different? Learn to defend yourself, or be prepared to be hurt and/or killed, because if you're not willing to fight, sweat, bleed, or die for what you want, you don't deserve it.

Thanks for your support...? (I think) But you missed out a big part, no one chooses to be transgendered, you've made several allusions to that effect, and it's just not true.

 

[hotsauceman]

LBGTIA

Last I heard it was LGBTQ? What does the IA stand for?

Intersex and Androgonous

Transgender Day of Remembrance? Serious? I'm sure all the veterans would feel super about this.

LBGTIA People everyday live in fear of is they will be taunted,ridculed,attacked or in some cases outright killed for being the way they where born. Just because they "Go against Society"
But given what you avatar is i would expect that comment.

I lived in fear every day in high school for being being quiet. Everybody lives in fear of something, some more than others. We don't need remembrance days for everyone who has a hard life.

I disagree, These people life a hard life fore just being who they are. Our society needs to pause and reflect just how much we screw others over.