Two gay men kicked out of a pub for kissing in public

[Zero47]

not a shred of difference on god's green earth, if two people wanna make out, their genders are just a trivial issue that has no relevance, the bartender was a homophobic.... bad person the real question is would he have minded if there were two girls making out in his bar

Because he's obviously a "homophobe" and clearly a terribly bad person for it. /sarcasm I put homophobe between accents because it's just a bs word that people often use to inaccurately describe and unrightfully look down on anothers opinion.

Fear of homosexuals? Really? The disgusted feeling I get when I see two gay men getting it on has nothing to do with phobia, I figure it's quite natural for a straight man to be slightly revolted by the sight. Seriously I have nothing against homosexuals but I'm not gonna deny that it grosses me out either. Man owns a pub, man gets to say what is and is not permitted in his establishment. Don't even start about discrimination, homosexuals are a minority, and should obviously adjust to the majority more than the majority should adjust to them. If it's just a small kiss, who cares, but my principle stands.

Wether or not two girls making out wouldn't phase him isn't even relevant. The assumption that two girls kissing is ok while two guys kissing isn't is hypocritical is flawed. For me it isn't about assumptions I make when I see two same sex people making out, it's a gut feeling. That gut feeling is shared by many men spare the ones that do their best to ignore it before climbing on their high horse and prancing about all morally superior.

God I hate those people

 

[t3h br0th3r]

Everyone seems to be foregeting one thing here.


none of us were there.

what i can say is that two dudes making out is all kinds of nasty to hertosexual men. while I, and many others would simply look away, it would bring a kind of awkward over the bar that could drop profits.

As a midwesterner i don;t see many dudes kissing but if they were to do it in public it would cause a lot of head turning. In San Francisco it wouldn't be anything though.

I think it all depends on who was in the bar and how LGBT friendly that part of town is.


TL;DR- If they were weirding people out the bar owner was justified(but still douche). none of us will know if he was justified cause we were not there.

 

[Caligulove]

I'm inclined to think that this was discrimination against the gay couple.

Another part of me can understand if someone was just really uncomfortable by having anyone make out close to them in a pub setting- but the more I read into this I think it's definitely the former. I personally don't like to be around couples passionately making out, if I'm by myself- it's just awkward and uncomfortable- regardless of who is actually making out, even if it's 2 hot chicks (which is supposed to be universally regarded as 'freaking awesome' by all men) then I still feel out of place and odd being there.

But the solution to that is to just move. Be an adult and just deal with it instead of throwing someone out like a child who 'just doesnt like you'

 

[ultimateownage]

If it was snogging or tongue action then it would be bad, but a small kiss or peck on the cheek isn't exactly hurting anyone. This applies to anyone.
All I want to know is it the pub owner would have kicked a straight couple out for the same thing. If not, then he was in the wrong.

 

[Legion IV]

Ok am not sure if this is true but. Its the owners bar cant he do what he pleases? its his pub.

Also Holy bageezus all this protesting! like my god man. I'm really sympthizing with the bar owner here. He simply felt uncomfortable or didnt like it so he kicked them out, now we have like mobs of people protesting the poor guy. its just a pub the couple can find another. The guys just trying to run his place and make money for food o the table like all of us, now he has to deal with this?

Face palm.

 

[PurplePlatypus]

The only question whether it?s common place that couples get kicked out of this particular pub for getting a bit over zealous with their snogging. And I?m assuming it was a lengthy snog rather than a short kiss. You know, there's an entire spectrum that goes from bumping lips all the way up to tongue porn.

If they were singled out because they were two men then yes it?s wrong of the pub to do so.

 

[TheYellowCellPhone]

I'm calling this now, this thread will get a fuckload of replies about people debating over gays.

And what the owner said -- don't want to follow the rules, don't go to this pub -- is right.

 

[Verlander]

Living in London, and having drunk in that area many a time, I have to point out that it depends on what pub it was.

There was a similar incident last year, of a gay couple being denied the option of sharing a room at a private B+B. The house rules there were that no unmarried couples were allowed to share a room in the house- a backwards rule, I think most would agree, but one that the owners are perfectly entitled to make. This couple knew the rule before they went in, and because they disagreed with it, they decided to make a point of going in there, and when denied the option of sharing a room, kicked up a massive fuss. They went to all of the media in the UK, and blasted this couple for "homophobia". I can only imagine what these poor folks have had to endure since.

Same with this. There are plenty of Gay pubs in Soho, perhaps the most in a concentrated area in the UK, maybe even Europe. Although I have not been to the pub in question, it's a safe assumption that it is not one that advertises itself as a gay pub, and perhaps this is for a reason. In some pubs, it is just a bad idea. Heavy petting is disapproved of in many of these establishments (I should know, I used to run one), and if the venue in question has a reputation, or has a certain type of clientèle, it's very possible that it wasn't appropriate, and that kicking them out may have been the best solution for everyone involved. If you can't abide by the rules in a pub (or other privately owned business), then you need to leave. Simple.

I am as pro-gay as is sensibly possible. I believe in equality, and I don't think that a persons sexual orientation validates nor excuses them as a person, only their actions do. I have no respect for the members of the "community" who purposefully head out to inflame, to victimise and to hurt others for not sharing their view, especially as it is all dependant on many different factors.

If you go to a place where your actions aren't appropriate, gay or not, then don't complain when you are punished, or treated poorly for your contempt of their rules.

 

[ThisIsSnake]

My knowledge of Southern Bastards isn't the best in the world but isn't Soho practically a red light district?

They probably weren't being obscene enough.

 

[TheDarkestDerp]

It's ridiculous. Pretty plainly.

Yeah, yeah, sure, right whatever, many people will say they would complain even if it wasn't two guys. I'd buy that for a dollar. Maybe. Maybe this is some magickal bar in ...I dunno, Candyland or someplace, where they might actually kick out ANYone who was 'making out' in public, but as far as I've ever seen, that place just doesn't exist. Been to aLOT of bars across twenty states and three countries and it's just not out there. Folks tend to have a problem with homosexual men and they have no problem in expressing their insecurity and viciousness. (yes, even if it's simply asking them to leave, it's exerting force in an uneven and discriminatory manner, within your 'legal right' or not)

I can tell you one thing, nobody EVER complained when my ex wife and I were 'making out' in a bar. For some reason it never bothered all the guys to watch two girls hopping on second base in public. Maybe if we were guys we'd have gotten some equal treatment and been kicked out properly?

 

[Peteron]

If someone is making out in a bar next to me, no matter what gender, I'd be uncomfortable and ask them to stop.
If they got enough complaints and didn't stop, the bartender/owners had every right to remove them from the bar.
Unless of course, it was just a peck. In which case that was kind of a dick move.

Agreed. People should have the courtesy to respect the comfort of others and leave stuff like that for their own private time.

 

[Verlander]

My knowledge of Southern Bastards isn't the best in the world but isn't Soho practically a red light district?

They probably weren't being obscene enough.

Yeah, we southern bastards know how to party. We tried the soul destroying dullness of the north, and thought "fuck that shit", and went mad

People who claim gays are out looking to file lawsuits over this kind of thing are just nuts. Most gay couples honestly want to be left alone as much as het couples do, and if you find it offensive - I know this is a shocker but - you can look away.

But the [minority]s, they don't just want equality. They want more! They're gaming the system.

Never mind the people saying the pub should be able to discriminate, despite earlier cases of UK law saying that doing so is illegal.[footnote]http://www.canada.com/life/couple+case+against+Christian+hotel/4125826/story.html[/footnote]

That's the example I was talking about in my previous post. Gay couples like that are the shame of everyone who worked hard for equality

 

[Peteron]

If someone is making out in a bar next to me, no matter what gender, I'd be uncomfortable and ask them to stop.
If they got enough complaints and didn't stop, the bartender/owners had every right to remove them from the bar.
Unless of course, it was just a peck. In which case that was kind of a dick move.

Agreed. People should have the courtesy to respect the comfort of others and leave stuff like that for their own private time.I don't think that what these two did is really anything serious, it was probably just people being uncomfortable around homosexuals.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

The bar owner has a right to do what he wants with his bar. He also has the right to sit and take any fallout from his actions.

 

[kinggamecat]

I think that two guys kissing is no different from two girls or even a man and a woman kissing ^^ It's a sign of affection, I have no problem with it and shame on the people who kicked them out.

 

[Spencer Petersen]

Because its private property, we really cant force the pub owner to do anything legally. Remember those "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" signs? I guess maybe the community can step in and boycott/protest the bar but the victim don't really have a case here.