I'd like to point out that this program is focusing primarily on making the kit soldiers carry leaner and, by association, cheaper.kanomi said:Hooray for militarism? Does anyone on this site have any critical faculties at all? I thought that was supposed to be the appeal of The Escapist: intelligent gaming commentary.
Instead here is a rah-rah article about some gross misuse of taxpayer money to build some sort of -- whatever the hell it is -- and all the punch-drunk writer can slaver over or comment about is the idiotic acronym that refers to some comic book hero.
Disappointing.
Whether true or not, yea. Our shit could use some re-evaluation. It's a good system, but this is exactly what this program is aiming to do. Just with a more badass acronym. They seem to be wanting to bridge the 30 year gap you perceive in one go, and then use the momentum to blast it thirty more years.PaulH said:Or they could, alternatively, take cues from other armed forces about how to properly supply soldiers with equipment during operations by improving their vastly outdated logistical systems that haven't really changed in 30 years.
Yea, I think that's the gist of it. Improve our tech and how we carry/use it.Aylaine said:Like repair, computers and technical stuff?LightOfDarkness said:They're not being taught much, I think it's a program that focuses more on hardware.Aylaine said:Hey now, Adam West is a badass. Even if he only can show it on Family Guy now.Gildan Bladeborn said:That sounds really cool, but I think I'd be able to take this article a lot more seriously if Adam West wasn't standing next to it hamming things up.
All in all, as a general concept I think it would be neat for our soldiers to be more versatile, but I was under the impression that they received quite a bit of training to handle a lot of different situations anyways...so I'm wondering, if that's true, what more could they be taught?
Wow. You.. irk me.kanomi said:Despite the fact that you are completely rude, I will answer you.cobrausn said:Good God you're a self-assured fucking elitist little prick.kanomi said:As opposed to writing entire articles based around quoting Air Force press releases? If you can't see a distinction, well, here is a nice cover-shooter game for you.Aidinthel said:And quoting philosophy books isn't? The only difference is who you're conforming with.kanomi said:"Well-informed cynicism is only another mode of conformity." -Horkheimer, Eclipse of Reason
Here, I'll explain my earlier stance to you since you obviously need some explanation. Trust me, you are not more intelligent than I am, though you can obviously quote more intelligent people pretty well.
Imagine, for a split-second, you are a soldier. I know this violates much of your deeply-held sense of entitlement of having protection without having to do the dirty work yourself, but bear with me. The article clearly states that the average soldier lugs around over 160 pounds of gear, which is probably twice what you weigh. The goal of the program is to reduce the payload of the soldier without reducing his combat effectiveness.
You, as the soldier, would no doubt approve of this 'waste' of tax money. If we live in a society that regularly expects it's soldiers to fight (and we do, rightly or wrongly, under both party's flags), then you would see the benefit. The fact that they are using 'Batman' as a comparison is only because he exemplified the goal of the program, which was fast and nimble yet not without effective technology to help him perform his job.
No doubt you'd rather be spending it on some government funded art grants or some STD treatment drugs and child welfare checks for the 'hopelessly' less fortunate, but in the meantime you'll just have to settle for a smug sense of satisfaction knowing you know what the proper thing to do is.
You want soldiers not to get shot up, mutilated, or lug 160 pounds of gear around? I want that too. I don't hate the enlisted personnel, I feel pity for them. Misguided or forced by poverty, they are citizens and deserve a lot better than what they have now.
So let's get them out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And Somalia, Bosnia, Japan, Germany and the 400+ other military bases and countries they are stuck in around the world. What the fuck are they doing there? "Protecting our freedoms", uh huh, sure. Protecting the corporate interests of the elites, actually. And as soon as any soldier gets out, with PTSD or without, yeah good luck getting anything from the Veterans Administration. Do they get job assistance? No. Does Blackwater get billions of dollars? Yeah. How ignorant can you be? Where do you get your news, Fox? The system chews these people up and throws them away. If you actually knew anything about the military you would be ashamed of your simplistic jingoistic trash.
Maybe you should stop worrying about Duke Nukem Forever or whatever and read a fucking book. The only one benefiting from these pointless, unwinnable wars are defense contractors who make millions of dollars every day, overcharging the government for everything from Blackwater bullshit to Halliburton base crap to Predator kill drones.
If you're happy with that, go ahead and suck some military industrial cock and get a job rooting for the Pentagon and global imperialism. I chose otherwise.
Making stupid aspersions and ad hominem attacks about what you imagine I would think the money should be spent on just makes you look stupid, by the way. As if the rest of your post didn't already accomplish that.
Either the Space Marines from Warhammer 40k or the Hell Jumpers from ODST.Canid117 said:So the Air Force wants an army of Batmen, the Marines want an army of Robert Heinlein style power troopers and... what fictional creation does the army want to emulate?
Dude!!KeyMaster45 said:Hold on I think I can enhance this imaginary scenario.Mcupobob said:General- "Sir our soliders are having a hard time fighting insurgent, any suggestions?"
Pres- "Be more like Batman!"
Thats how I imagine it went down.
[Interior: The War Room...on a Tuesday (because shit like this always happens on a Tuesday)]
Army General: My boys are getting their asses whipped by those sandy bastards! They're like less stealthy ninjas with IED's and rocket launchers!
Marine General: The Marines aren't faring any better, things just haven't been the same since Mr. Rogers retired. Now that was a man who knew how to skin an enemy of freedom.
Navy Admiral: Why don't you guys just use warships? Any problem can be solved using a warship with guns so big it's almost comical!
Air Force General: *smacks the Navy Admiral* You idiot they're in the middle of the desert; boats don't work there remember?
Navy Admiral: Well I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to develop some sand boats would it?
*The other generals groan in aggravation*
Marine General: Mr. President, our scientists and strategists are out of options that don't include the phrase "Nuke them into the stone-age"; what do you suggest we do?
*The President looks up from his morning news paper with a smirk on his face*
The President: I'm glad you asked. You see gentlemen when all reasonably sane options have been exhausted and our superior technology and resources are put to shame there's only one thing to do.
*The President reaches into his suit and produces a thin paperback book. The generals lean forward in their chairs to examine it*
Army General: Is that..?
Marine General: You couldn't possibly mean...?
Navy Admiral: OOO! Does this mean we're getting new warships!?
Air Force General: You aren't suggesting that...?
The President: Yes gentlemen. The solution to our problem is simple. We need to be more like Batman!
[Roll campy batman intro. End Scene]
I wouldn't call him barely clothed.Ultratwinkie said:so the air-force wants their soldiers to be rubber suit wearing pedophiles with a barely clothed boy sidekick?
Even better, Starship Troopers. If you've read the book, you know why. If you didn't...Boba Frag said:Either the Space Marines from Warhammer 40k or the Hell Jumpers from ODST.Canid117 said:So the Air Force wants an army of Batmen, the Marines want an army of Robert Heinlein style power troopers and... what fictional creation does the army want to emulate?
Depends on who's chief of staff![]()
kanomi said:Hooray for militarism? Does anyone on this site have any critical faculties at all? I thought that was supposed to be the appeal of The Escapist: intelligent gaming commentary.
Instead here is a rah-rah article about some gross misuse of taxpayer money to build some sort of -- whatever the hell it is -- and all the punch-drunk writer can slaver over or comment about is the idiotic acronym that refers to some comic book hero.
Disappointing.
Yeah, I mean seriously...Gildan Bladeborn said:That sounds really cool, but I think I'd be able to take this article a lot more seriously if Adam West wasn't standing next to it hamming things up.
DarkSpectre said:The Air Force has long been the bastion of forward thinkers and geeks in the United States Military. We are constantly seeking to prepare for war 50 years in the future. This could help save a lot of lives in the future and a lot of money. Also add to this the micro RPA that we are developing. All this stuff will save a lot of lives. Impressive stuff being done.
As a side note, all you people that think this is a huge waste of money don't really understand engineering projects or the way that projects are started in the DoD. It is really hard to get funds for a new project. You have to go through a long cost analysis that shows that in the long run the project will either save money or provide a significant strategic or tactical advantage. The DoD wastes a lot of money but it is not on research, it is wasted on everyday operations.