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ThrobbingEgo

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jasoncyrus said:
And you are a completely retarded jackass who can't even understand basic biological functions or facts =)

See, i can play the name game too....except mine is true =P
Trees talking to children isn't fact. It's folk psychology. Intentional stance. Our internal "people detectors" turning up false positives, like when you swear at your car.

Just because kids think trees are "communing" with them doesn't mean they're actually talking, dude. Trees don't think. They're plants. I wish I didn't have to explain this.
 

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Abedeus said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
Abedeus said:
Why am I still arguing with you? I have a migrene, and I don't want to waste my time on you. Take some supplements, eat some dirt and you'll be much healthier.
3) I don't want to argue with you either. You're obnoxious.
3) Ooooh that was so mature, I feel my backbone is crying in pain and breaking!
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Your both as bad as each other and hope the rest of the community reports these comments aswell.
 

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ThrobbingEgo said:
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AmrasCalmacil said:
You'll lack protein, if I recall correctly.
There are plenty of other sources of protein.
Not the right kinds of proteins.
I hate to be the internet jackass, but do you have a source on this or are you just pulling this out of your ass?
Years of studying food and nutrition, plus research on the subject matter published in magazines, scientific journals, and, once, scrawled in shit on the wall of a public bathroom cubicle.
 

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ThrobbingEgo said:
jasoncyrus said:
And you are a completely retarded jackass who can't even understand basic biological functions or facts =)

See, i can play the name game too....except mine is true =P
Trees talking to children isn't fact. It's folk psychology. Intentional stance. Our internal "people detectors" turning up false positives, like when you swear at your car.

Just because kids think trees are "communing" with them doesn't mean they're actually talking, dude. Trees don't think. They're plants. I wish I didn't have to explain this.
Now I'M going to play the internet jackass, and say one word:

GOD?
 

bad rider

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jasoncyrus said:
And you are a completely retarded jackass who can't even understand basic biological functions or facts =)

See, i can play the name game too....except mine is true =P
Flaming and trolling: Flaming is hostile and insulting interactions between forum posters. Trolling is posting controversial or inflammatory content or off-topic messages with the intent of provoking flaming or to disrupt normal discussion. Neither is tolerated.

Seriously, did you even read the guidelines?
 

ThrobbingEgo

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Lexodus said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
jasoncyrus said:
And you are a completely retarded jackass who can't even understand basic biological functions or facts =)

See, i can play the name game too....except mine is true =P
Trees talking to children isn't fact. It's folk psychology. Intentional stance. Our internal "people detectors" turning up false positives, like when you swear at your car.

Just because kids think trees are "communing" with them doesn't mean they're actually talking, dude. Trees don't think. They're plants. I wish I didn't have to explain this.
Now I'M going to play the internet jackass, and say one word:

GOD?
Wow, I'm going to be popular here:

I'm an atheist.
 

jasoncyrus

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ThrobbingEgo said:
jasoncyrus said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
Lexodus said:
Angelix said:
AmrasCalmacil said:
You'll lack protein, if I recall correctly.
There are plenty of other sources of protein.
Not the right kinds of proteins.
I hate to be the internet jackass, but do you have a source on this or are you just pulling this out of your ass?
Like everything you've posted then?
Is that what the tree told you?
Not, the DOCUMENTARY, by a qualified PSYCHOLOGIST, told me.

http://fictionway.com/2007/10/03/psychic-children-%E2%80%93-their-sixth-sense/
http://www.thebiographychannel.co.uk/biography_story/2403:2974/1/Psychic_Children_Their_Sixth_Sense.htm
 

bad rider

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ThrobbingEgo said:
jasoncyrus said:
And you are a completely retarded jackass who can't even understand basic biological functions or facts =)

See, i can play the name game too....except mine is true =P
Trees talking to children isn't fact. It's folk psychology. Intentional stance. Our internal "people detectors" turning up false positives, like when you swear at your car.

Just because kids think trees are "communing" with them doesn't mean they're actually talking, dude. Trees don't think. They're plants. I wish I didn't have to explain this.
Plants do think, but on a far smaller scale. They are however far from sentient so I guess that is a better point.
 

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Lexodus said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
Lexodus said:
Angelix said:
AmrasCalmacil said:
You'll lack protein, if I recall correctly.
There are plenty of other sources of protein.
Not the right kinds of proteins.
I hate to be the internet jackass, but do you have a source on this or are you just pulling this out of your ass?
Years of studying food and nutrition, plus research on the subject matter published in magazines, scientific journals, and, once, scrawled in shit on the wall of a public bathroom cubicle.
Can you give me a link to an article that proves that plants don't contain the "right" kinds of protein for human digestion? Pretty please, Mr appeal to authority [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html]?
 

Lexodus

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ThrobbingEgo said:
Lexodus said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
jasoncyrus said:
And you are a completely retarded jackass who can't even understand basic biological functions or facts =)

See, i can play the name game too....except mine is true =P
Trees talking to children isn't fact. It's folk psychology. Intentional stance. Our internal "people detectors" turning up false positives, like when you swear at your car.

Just because kids think trees are "communing" with them doesn't mean they're actually talking, dude. Trees don't think. They're plants. I wish I didn't have to explain this.
Now I'M going to play the internet jackass, and say one word:

GOD?
Wow, I'm going to be popular here:

I'm an atheist.
Snap. Also, another point against vegetarianism is that they have a particular word for it (which means that it is against the accepted norm in society, and thus ruling out any Appeal to Nature fallacy calls). You don't have people seriously running around claiming to be flesharians or cowarians, do you? Oh, and that's the other thing (it's Godwin time!); they all have 'arian' on the end! Sure, it's one letter different, but humour does not care!
 

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jasoncyrus said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
jasoncyrus said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
Lexodus said:
Angelix said:
AmrasCalmacil said:
You'll lack protein, if I recall correctly.
There are plenty of other sources of protein.
Not the right kinds of proteins.
I hate to be the internet jackass, but do you have a source on this or are you just pulling this out of your ass?
Like everything you've posted then?
Is that what the tree told you?
Not, the DOCUMENTARY, by a qualified PSYCHOLOGIST, told me.

http://fictionway.com/2007/10/03/psychic-children-%E2%80%93-their-sixth-sense/
http://www.thebiographychannel.co.uk/biography_story/2403:2974/1/Psychic_Children_Their_Sixth_Sense.htm
Sixth sense? PSI powers? Are you kidding me? She's a quack. A quack with a degree is still a quack.
 

jasoncyrus

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ThrobbingEgo said:
Sixth sense? PSI powers? Are you kidding me? She's a quack. A quack with a degree is still a quack.
A 'quack' who has PROVEN through study and observation that such abilities exist.

Or are you going to deny science exists now?
 

ThrobbingEgo

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Lexodus said:
Snap. Also, another point against vegetarianism is that they have a particular word for it (which means that it is against the accepted norm in society, and thus ruling out any Appeal to Nature fallacy calls). You don't have people seriously running around claiming to be flesharians or cowarians, do you? Oh, and that's the other thing (it's Godwin time!); they all have 'arian' on the end! Sure, it's one letter different, but humour does not care!
Sorry, was there any logic in there? Because if there was, I missed it.

Just because there's a term for vegetarian... well, that doesn't have anything to do with the morality behind it.
 

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jasoncyrus said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
Sixth sense? PSI powers? Are you kidding me? She's a quack. A quack with a degree is still a quack.
A 'quack' who has PROVEN through study and observation that such abilities exist.

Or are you going to deny science exists now?
Yeah, one "expert" making crazy claims isn't science. Considering there's no evidence or reliable documentation, and there are plenty of alternate explainations, I'm going to post an alternate "documentary."

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0672539/
 

bad rider

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jasoncyrus said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
Sixth sense? PSI powers? Are you kidding me? She's a quack. A quack with a degree is still a quack.
A 'quack' who has PROVEN through study and observation that such abilities exist.

Or are you going to deny science exists now?
Given all the facts, you can't deny "negative psychic energy" dosen't fill you with a lack of confidence about her.

Edit: Also her test is about them scoring above pure chance. So they could still have just been lucky, or there could be another variable she hasn't taken into account or bias. Can you confirm this using a different source. (A second source so she seems like less of a quack)
 

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ThrobbingEgo said:
Lexodus said:
ThrobbingEgo said:
Lexodus said:
Angelix said:
AmrasCalmacil said:
You'll lack protein, if I recall correctly.
There are plenty of other sources of protein.
Not the right kinds of proteins.
I hate to be the internet jackass, but do you have a source on this or are you just pulling this out of your ass?
Years of studying food and nutrition, plus research on the subject matter published in magazines, scientific journals, and, once, scrawled in shit on the wall of a public bathroom cubicle.
Can you give me a link to an article that proves that plants don't contain the "right" kinds of protein for human digestion? Pretty please, Mr appeal to authority [http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html]?
Firstly,
"From the Northwestern University Website:

Protein from animal sources (meat, fish, dairy products, egg white) is considered high biological value protein or a "complete" protein because all nine essential amino acids are present in these proteins. An exception to this rule is collagen-derived gelatin which is lacking in tryptophan.

Plant sources of protein (grains, legumes, nuts, and seeds) generally do not contain sufficient amounts of one or more of the essential amino acids. Thus protein synthesis can occur only to the extent that the limiting amino acids are available. These proteins are considered to have intermediate biological value or to be partially complete because, although consumed alone they do not meet the requirements for essential amino acids, they can be combined to provide amounts and proportions of essential amino acids equivalent to high biological proteins from animal sources.

Plants that are entirely lacking in essential amino acids are considered incomplete proteins or sources of low biological value protein. These sources include most fruits and vegetables. A low biological value means that it is difficult or impossible to compensate for insufficient amounts of essential amino acids by combining different sources as with partially complete proteins.
Now comes the fun part. If you have an essential amino acid deficiency your body your body needs to get the essentials aminos from somewhere - your body begins to cannabilise itself. This leads to a condition known as Protein-Energy Malnutrition (PEM)

PEM has the following clinical features: weight loss, diarrhea, loss of lean body mass, muscle weakness, depigmented hair and skin, pressure sores, and depressed immune function."
From: http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/health-fitness/4790-most-vegetarians-unhealthy-importance-dietary-protein.html

Secondly,

" vegetarian diet might in fact be masking a potential eating disorder according to the recent study published in the April issue of the Journal of the American Dietetic Association.
The results found that twice as many teens and nearly double the number of young adults who had been vegetarians reported having used unhealthy means to control their weight, compared to those who had never been vegetarians. Those methods include diet pills, laxatives and diuretics as well as inducing vomiting to control weight.
Most people know that a balanced vegetarian diet is among the most healthful of dietary patterns providing several benefits. Vegetarians are less likely to have blood pressure problems as well as unhealthy cholesterol levels.
However, a vegetarian diet is likely to create a problem for several people: the lack of important nutritional elements. Vegans may be lacking protein, vitamins and minerals, such as iron and vitamin B, on a daily basis. Those are all important ingredients to a healthy lifestyle.
People need to understand the problem is not the vegan diet but perhaps a poor vegan diet. A well balanced vegetarian diet along with a multi vitamin should be ?healthy enough? to prevent any extreme weight-control bad behavior.
The focus should be on proper eating habits instead of the type of diet. Bad eating habits may lead to eating disorders and obesity, no matter if you are vegetarian or not.
Multi vitamins suitable for vegetarians may be the missing piece of the puzzle for a healthy vegetarian diet."
From: http://stanford.wellsphere.com/vitamins-supplements-article/the-risks-of-a-vegetarian-diet/639804

Thirdly,

"NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - A vegetarian diet can be a healthy lifestyle choice for young people, but in some cases it may be a cover for an eating disorder, a new study suggests.

Researchers found that among the more than 2,500 15- to 23-year-olds they surveyed, vegetarians ate more fruits and vegetables and less fat, and were less likely to be overweight than meat-eaters.

On the other hand, current vegetarians were more likely to report problems with binge-eating compared with non-vegetarians. Furthermore, former vegetarians were more likely to admit to taking extreme measures to control their weight -- such as using diet pills or purging by vomiting or abusing laxatives.

The findings suggest that while vegetarian diets can be healthy, for some teenagers they may mask a drive to be thin, according to lead researcher Dr. Ramona Robinson-O'Brien of the College of Saint Benedict-Saint John's University in St. Joseph, Minnesota.
...Among current vegetarians, about 18 percent said they had problems with out-of-control binge-eating, compared with 5 percent of their peers who'd never been vegetarian. Similarly, 27 percent of former vegetarians admitted to extreme weight-control tactics, versus 15 percent of lifelong meat-eaters."
From: http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSTRE5373YI20090408

"Consider first the health question (the Argument from Supposition). A vegetarian diet can be healthy or unhealthy . But there is no evidence that a healthy vegetarian diet is more healthy than a healthy meat-based diet. One of the most striking features of the late Linda McCartney's cookbook-cum-vegetarian bible Home Cooking , [2] is the number of dishes that specify as ingredients various combinations of milk, eggs, butter, cheese and cream. Using only McCartney's recipes, it would be easy for the non-discriminating vegetarian to raise their cholesterol count to the level of cardiovascular kamikaze, whilst believing their diet to be healthier than average. (Many of McCartney's recipes are, in fact, excellent - especially when you get rid of those godawful fart-inducing vegeburgers and TVP chunks and replace them with a nice bit of black pudding or streaky bacon.) Clearly there needs to be more gained from eliminating meat from your diet than a simple reduction in saturated fat content."
From: http://www.vanguardonline.f9.co.uk/00509.htm

I'll find more if you need.


Don't be a whiny little ***** when somebody contradicts you, and don't resort to petty name-calling.