Warhammer 40000 6th Edition: Hope at last
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I've been 'playing' 40k for a long time. Although for several years I've only been in it for a combination of loyalty and fluff.
All this is well and good but what I want to know is when the squats are coming back.
All this is well and good but what I want to know is when the squats are coming back.
That makes a high degree of sense to me. Tyranid forces are all 'one' so to speak, so forcing them against each other constantly roots out any weak or superfluous forces whilst at the same time costing the Hive Fleets no resources. If the enemy is other Tyranids, victory results in the stronger arm of the Hive surviving but also gaining all the resources of the weaker arm, allowing it to expand rapidly.Soviet Heavy said:
Thus the Tyranids continue to adapt and grow stronger even in the absence of external threats. I think that's quite clever (or maybe I'm thinking further ahead than GW).
Wasted resources is relative, the Tyranids aren't short of resources. Maybe it's a side effect of the 'Nids getting repeatedly beaten as well, the Hive isn't used to being pushed back so perhaps it's experimenting.
Doclector said:
Basically billions of psykers are sacrificed to make a huge psychic searchlight that only the Emperor (or an incredibly powerful psychic) can focus the beam (like a lens) and keep it steadily straight.Soviet Heavy said:
Back in heresy era the Emperor, knowing the danger of warp travel, was trying to build a conenction to the eldar webway from Earth but magnus broke into it from the raw warp (not knowing what it was, in an attempt to warn the Emperor about Horus) allowing demons inside.
The demons poured into the heart of Terra and many people gave their lives so the gate could be shut again. The gate remains shut as long as someone is on the throne holding it shut psychically.
During the Heresy Mallacor had to take over on the throne for a bit while the Emperor fought Horus and he returned from the experienced drained and aged.
Basically should the Emperor die and stay dead (see rebirth theories) similatiously two things will happen: demons will pour into Terra's capital from the exposed warp gate and the light that makes all travel between stars possible will go out of control.
Ships will be lost in the warp, space travel out of star systems will be impossible, trade will dry up, military forces will be unable to get to planets to defend them, Inquisitors will be unable to root out traitors on a galactic scale,etc
Not to mention that the human race will feel the Emperor's death, psykers will be driven mad and demons will manifest from all the chaotic emotion in the warp (potentially a new chaos god turning Earth into a new Eye of Terror).
The slow death of the human race will become rapid species extinction.
Meh, they've not really done much to it. They just need to let the Emperor die and see what happens next.Soviet Heavy said:
In any case, Nids win. Simple as. Chaos can do all they want to the races, but as soon as they're gone, they have no emotion to feed off, and they lose power. GW have worked themselves into a corner that they can't get out of without some serious, setting-breaking retconning of the Nid race. We are told that what we see now of the hive fleets is just the tip of the iceberg, and already that tip is taking worlds left right and center. I kinda stopped playing or even being interested in the 40K universe a while ago, because that's the end result GW has set up. To be honest, I kinda wish the Nids had never existed, because they are just the uber-kill-all-the-things race that puts an end to all arguments of "whose better".
Don't worry, now that the Necrons are best buds with the Blood Angels there'll be nothing to fear! Tyranids can't eat robots, after all.DJjaffacake said:
God damn it, Matt Ward.
I like that he gave the Necrons some much needed diversity, but turning the C'Tan into pokemon and having the Blood Angels team up with them just feels... retarded.
I would like to point out that Malcador the Sigilite, Regent of Terra, had to sit on the Golden Throne while the Emperor fought Horus. Know what happened to him? He turned to dust, is what happened. And he was a powerful psyker on his own right.
What I'm getting at is that if the Emperor dies (and doesn't, say, ascend to a higher plane of existance and become an actual god.) the Imperium dies, no question. And allying with the Tau? Don't make me laugh. I mean it has happened, but only in dire circumstances (read: Tyranids), and they would be jack all help in FTL travel because their FTL suuuuuuuuuucks. Only way for the Imperium to remain in any capacity would be if they managed to finish Emps work and start using the Webway. That, or perfecting the OTHER Non-Warp engine thing they were doing before the whole Termina- I mean Iron Men going bananas thing.
What I'm getting at is that if the Emperor dies (and doesn't, say, ascend to a higher plane of existance and become an actual god.) the Imperium dies, no question. And allying with the Tau? Don't make me laugh. I mean it has happened, but only in dire circumstances (read: Tyranids), and they would be jack all help in FTL travel because their FTL suuuuuuuuuucks. Only way for the Imperium to remain in any capacity would be if they managed to finish Emps work and start using the Webway. That, or perfecting the OTHER Non-Warp engine thing they were doing before the whole Termina- I mean Iron Men going bananas thing.
There's an alternative theory that when the Emperor finally dies his soul will be free to travel to the warp and rejoin the other, kind and nice, portion of his soul that he cast out of himself when he had to kill his son and then either own all the Chaos Gods with mind bullets or be reincarnated as the Emperor Reborn (the Emperor is actually the combined souls of several thousand enlightened shaman and has reincarnated several times before-just not since he became the Emperor)Doclector said:
So....50-50? Either species doom for the human race and potentially the rest of the galaxy (through new chaos god/eye of terror) or potential salvation through their living God being returned to them.
We do not talk about the Old Shame. Squats never existed. What are Squats? You've gone mad, sir! The Ruinous powers have taken you!Paddy the Second said:
Get in the back of the van!
You'll never silence the truth! The young must learn the mistakes of the past so they will not be repeated! The squats will rise again!Loop Stricken said:
I believe the whole "reincarnation of shamans" part has been dropped from actual fluff, particularly since a few passages in "The Outcast Dead" contradict this theory and come from a reliable in-universe source.Scorched_Cascade said:
The same goes for all the Star child and Sensei stuff, it's been superseded or considered non-canon for a while.
I mean I suppose they could still be true, but this is really a moot point since we'll never see it happen.
I'm not really an expert on 40k lore but I was kinda under the impression that just about every single race had a chance on inevitably overrunning the galaxy.
Tyranids are rather obvious with their numbers beyond counting slowly travelling from the void of space.
Chaos, from what I hear, is mostly held back by the Emperor severely limiting the access demons have to the physical realm. As far as I know they'd be able to literally swarm the galaxy with infinite numbers if there wasn't anything holding them back.
If I remember right the Necrons are mostly sleeping on their tomb worlds? If all of them awoke at once they'd cause some serious havoc.
The Orks from what I understand are held back only by their inability to unite. If by some miracle (and they do have Gork and Mork capable of providing miracles) all the Orks were to unite they're also said to overrun the entire galaxy with a green tide.
Less sure about this one but isn't the Imperium's lore riddled with all kinds of tidbits of hope? Primarchs that were an inch away from death and held in stasis starting to heal again which if I remember right would make gene-seed much, much more easily available potentially allowing the Space Marines to return to legions instead of chapters (which is how mankind initially conquered a lot of the galaxy). Myths about the Emperor getting reborn or even ascending to godhood. And I'm sure there's more.
I don't really know about the other races but I wouldn't be surprised if they all had equal potential to overrun the galaxy. That kinda seems to be 40k's thing, each race having one or several superman but there also being plenty of Kryptonite around to hold them back.
Tyranids are rather obvious with their numbers beyond counting slowly travelling from the void of space.
Chaos, from what I hear, is mostly held back by the Emperor severely limiting the access demons have to the physical realm. As far as I know they'd be able to literally swarm the galaxy with infinite numbers if there wasn't anything holding them back.
If I remember right the Necrons are mostly sleeping on their tomb worlds? If all of them awoke at once they'd cause some serious havoc.
The Orks from what I understand are held back only by their inability to unite. If by some miracle (and they do have Gork and Mork capable of providing miracles) all the Orks were to unite they're also said to overrun the entire galaxy with a green tide.
Less sure about this one but isn't the Imperium's lore riddled with all kinds of tidbits of hope? Primarchs that were an inch away from death and held in stasis starting to heal again which if I remember right would make gene-seed much, much more easily available potentially allowing the Space Marines to return to legions instead of chapters (which is how mankind initially conquered a lot of the galaxy). Myths about the Emperor getting reborn or even ascending to godhood. And I'm sure there's more.
I don't really know about the other races but I wouldn't be surprised if they all had equal potential to overrun the galaxy. That kinda seems to be 40k's thing, each race having one or several superman but there also being plenty of Kryptonite around to hold them back.
It's been a long time since I've played Warhammer, but I do like to keep up with the fluff now and then.
The death of the emperor will be a -major- universe rewrite which will lose more fans than it gains. The Imperium as it stands would simply cease to function. Whether the apocalypse will arrive and daemons flood out of every orifice, or the Emperor becomes a full blown God and ascends to fight the Chaos Gods face to face, it will involve completely rewriting how the human factions exist, and I don't think anyone at GW is willing to risk that.
If the Emperor was going to be killed in some way, it would be as part of a seperate spin-off game, either a 'possible future' or 'alternate universe' thing, and they'd keep the Emperor on his golden toilet as 'classic 40k' or something like that.
I always thought the Adeptus Mechanicus were seperate from the Adeptus Terra? Maybe I misread or assumed something somewhere.
Dark Eldar aren't psychic? It this a reactionary effort by them to stop their souls being nommed by Slaanesh? I assumed their torture/sacrifice routine involved psychic measures to appease the God, I guess it's purely technological then?
I love the enigma that is the Alpha Legion. Favourite Chaos chapter. I prefer Chaos as the main baddie over Tyranids or Necron. The fear of "the enemy within", coupled with the mix of human, mutated human and demonic forces in their ranks just make them more interesting than Ridley Scott's Aliens and the zombie Terminator army.
Abaddon can never win until his goals are lowered. He can conquer a planet or a system, but he can't conquer the Golden Throne, for the same reasons stated above. GW won't let him win.
I don't mind Dark Angels. Not my favourite chaper, but certainly not my least favourite either. I've never seen them as the front-runners of the Imperium though. Too caught up in their own business, I always envisage them attacking an enemy because they stole some artifact rather than because they pose a threat to the Imperium.
The death of the emperor will be a -major- universe rewrite which will lose more fans than it gains. The Imperium as it stands would simply cease to function. Whether the apocalypse will arrive and daemons flood out of every orifice, or the Emperor becomes a full blown God and ascends to fight the Chaos Gods face to face, it will involve completely rewriting how the human factions exist, and I don't think anyone at GW is willing to risk that.
If the Emperor was going to be killed in some way, it would be as part of a seperate spin-off game, either a 'possible future' or 'alternate universe' thing, and they'd keep the Emperor on his golden toilet as 'classic 40k' or something like that.
I always thought the Adeptus Mechanicus were seperate from the Adeptus Terra? Maybe I misread or assumed something somewhere.
Dark Eldar aren't psychic? It this a reactionary effort by them to stop their souls being nommed by Slaanesh? I assumed their torture/sacrifice routine involved psychic measures to appease the God, I guess it's purely technological then?
I love the enigma that is the Alpha Legion. Favourite Chaos chapter. I prefer Chaos as the main baddie over Tyranids or Necron. The fear of "the enemy within", coupled with the mix of human, mutated human and demonic forces in their ranks just make them more interesting than Ridley Scott's Aliens and the zombie Terminator army.
Abaddon can never win until his goals are lowered. He can conquer a planet or a system, but he can't conquer the Golden Throne, for the same reasons stated above. GW won't let him win.
I don't mind Dark Angels. Not my favourite chaper, but certainly not my least favourite either. I've never seen them as the front-runners of the Imperium though. Too caught up in their own business, I always envisage them attacking an enemy because they stole some artifact rather than because they pose a threat to the Imperium.
While nobody's really brought this up as an actual question, it is still one that piques my curiosity. Why in the name of the holy emprah of terra are the tau able to ally with demons?! Why would anybody want to be even remotely close to a warp born monstrosity if you are not about to blow it's nuts off?! I know the tau are space commies and all, but I think this is a bit over the top.
While we're discussing 40K, I have a question.
Are the Alpha Legion
Are the Alpha Legion
still technically good guys, or have they been corrupted and shit?