Warhammer 40000 6th Edition: Hope at last
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Which do you choose?
Looks great. The new ally mechanic (if I'm reading 1d4chan correctly) would go great with my multiple armies.
Sounds good. Might get me back into this. Or more accurately, into it in the first place...
It would require too much effort on my part to actually get into this again although this sounds alright
Are they advancing the plot at all? No? Then who gives a shit about the fluff.
Requirement Met [Grimdark] => Bonus Unlocked: Did they kill Matt Ward yet? They should. And his family
I think I'll go with blue.
Looks great. The new ally mechanic (if I'm reading 1d4chan correctly) would go great with my multiple armies.
Sounds good. Might get me back into this. Or more accurately, into it in the first place...
It would require too much effort on my part to actually get into this again although this sounds alright
Are they advancing the plot at all? No? Then who gives a shit about the fluff.
Requirement Met [Grimdark] => Bonus Unlocked: Did they kill Matt Ward yet? They should. And his family
I think I'll go with blue.
DJjaffacake said:
It's implied that they're following some kind of really big plan that nobody knows about. Considering they supposedly turned in order to save the Imperium (if we take the Cabal's word as is anyway) they're considered traitors and thus, bad guys. Wether they're still working to preserve the Imperium is questionable, since most of the stuff they do only hurts it.
What? This contradicts an entire official story from the Horus Heresy series about the Sisters of Silence!Soviet Heavy said:
I thought this was already established?
Waaaaaaard!
Yay for no plot advances -_-
Everything always reappears.
Status quo... Retained.
But weren't Dark Eldar the Eldar to start with before the fall? How can they not be psychic?
More status quo. Explained away why the Tyranids haven't eaten everyone yet.
Hehehe
Fuck yeah Dark Angels! My army of choice when I was still playing the tabletop game.
Overall not bad. More status quo than you shake the Emperor's walking stick at but I wasn't expecting the Galaxy to have imploded between editions. I would have liked more info about the Golden Throne failing though. I find the idea very interesting considering that there are different theories about what will happen if he does die. He will either be reborn and lead the Imperium to ultimate victory, he'll just die, or he'll die but the psychic explosion created by his death creates a 2nd Eye of Terror. And they are always fun to have around.
DJjaffacake said:
The Alpha Legion are still technically loyal. They don't use daemons or any of that worshiping a single Chaos god for example. But they fight the Imperium to undermine the Chaos Gods. The Cabal showed Alpharius and Omegon that the only outcomes of the Heresy were that, if the Emperor won, humanity's existence would be ensured for ten or twenty thousand years of decay before they and the galaxy were consumed by Chaos and that, if Horus won, humanity would perish inside two generations, taking the Chaos powers into oblivion with them, thus saving the rest of the galaxy. The Alpha Legion was asked to take on their greatest challenge; to defect to the side of Horus and ensure the final destruction of Chaos.
So they are fighting humanity to save the Galaxy. Nobody except them knows this though.
So they are fighting humanity to save the Galaxy. Nobody except them knows this though.
Don Savik said:
Yes. I love the Night Lords.
Have you read the Soul Hunter Trilogy? It is... wow. Just. I don't know how to describe it's perfection.
A few more questions:
Is Ciaphias Cain, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!, mentioned at all?
How much of the fluff was written by Aaron Dembisk-Bowden? AKA, Emperor in the form of a bald writer?
Sure, there'd be small-scale wars constantly, just like on Earth. But perpetual, large-scale, galaxy-spanning war against everything else in existence seems a little ridiculous to me.Worgen said:
But that's actually not the point I was making; my point is that the franchise has been way too persistently grimdark for me to actually become invested, or even slightly interested. If you're going to be incredibly dark and gritty, you have to temper it with just a little bit of hope. Warhammer doesn't. Every major player is horrible; the best-case scenario for the galaxy is that a xenophobic theocratic dictatorship exterminates all non-humans (and a lot of humans while they're at it), turning the future into a boot stamping on a human face, forever. I just don't give a damn how anything is resolved, because no matter what, everything will still suck.
So I think any effort they make to reduce the apathy-inducing bleakness is a step in the right direction.
TimeLord said:
Yeah I know all that, but I'm asking because I'm not sure whether they're still loyal, since first of all they've failed in their attempt to help Horus win, so they may have decided to really switch to Chaos so they're on the winning side, and also it's been 10000 years so there's a good chance they've been corrupted.
Caveat: my favorite chapter is the Executioners. I bought the Badab War books from Forge World so I could actually have rules and a better history for them...but that being said:
I always liked the Ultramarines...'before it was cool', as many have said. I have never liked how everyone slams on them because they're 'bland'. *Someone* had to be the 'standard' for the Marines, and almost by definition that's going to make them more 'generic' than the Unique Snowflakes everyone seems to like.
(Yes, I understand that recent writings went overboard with the Ultramarines, and no I don't agree with a lot of the sudden attention and out-of-nowhere praise. I still like them and play variations of Vanilla Marine armies.)
The rest sounds very interesting.
I always liked the Ultramarines...'before it was cool', as many have said. I have never liked how everyone slams on them because they're 'bland'. *Someone* had to be the 'standard' for the Marines, and almost by definition that's going to make them more 'generic' than the Unique Snowflakes everyone seems to like.
(Yes, I understand that recent writings went overboard with the Ultramarines, and no I don't agree with a lot of the sudden attention and out-of-nowhere praise. I still like them and play variations of Vanilla Marine armies.)
The rest sounds very interesting.
If you don't like the current universe, you should try reading the Horus Heresy series. The first few books in particular are very good at portraying a hope filled Imperium of Man, reclaiming, subjugating or annihilating anything that isn't them. It's all about the Imperial Truth and how the Emperor isn't a god etc. of course then it turns all Grimdark when Horus goes nuts and starts slaughtering loyal Marines by the thousand. But the first 4/5 books in the series are fantastic stories not constrained by the current status quo.MetroidNut said:
DJjaffacake said:
True. But considering one, if not both, of their Primarchs still live. I would have thought that their original reason for turning against the Emperor still stands. Also like I said, they refuse to use Daemons or any of that other Chaos-y nonsense because they technically aren't corrupted by Chaos. That's how I see it at least.
I'm a pretty big 40k fluff geek, don't play the table top though.Loop Stricken said:
yeah this is one theory, I think it's called the star child theory, things is though after the emperors webway experiment backfired it left a gateway to terra opening pretty much by the golden throne. the emperoris keeping the gateway sealed whilst on the golden throne, if he dies chaos floods terra and the universe.
so if the emperor would be reborn would there be anything left to save?
TimeLord said:
To respond to both of you on the Alpha Legion theory, this is my take.DJjaffacake said:
The Alpha Legion plays a major role in the Dawn of War games. Looking into their actions in Retribution specifically, I came up with a theory.
In the Chaos Campaign, Abaddon places Eliphas in charge of slaying Azariah Kyras, as Abaddon feels threatened that a rogue Chapter Master/Chief Librarian becoming the Lord Ascendant would instigate a power play that could possibly out Abaddon as the Warmaster of Chaos.
The Alpha Legion, fed up with Abaddon's failed Black Crusades, decide to throw their lot in with the Daemon of the Maledictum, manipulating events so that Kyras and Maledictus become the Ascendant and begin a new reign of terror that might actually be successful.
The best part about the Alpha Legion's plan is the role of Eliphas the Inheritor. Araghast learned the hard way that Eliphas serves himself before anyone else. Eliphas also uses this particular line to mock Kyras when the Daemon tries to bribe him.
So, for the Alpha Legion, it's a win win scenario. Either Kyras kills Eliphas and becomes the Lord Ascendant, challenging Abaddon, or Eliphas does, and challenges Abaddon. Considering that the Dawn of War games tend to include victory conditions from each faction into their "true canon", I can see this as a viable course.
A successful Black Crusade might finally break Chaos's hold on the galaxy. Abaddon has proven he's incapable of doing such, so the Alpha Legion turned to alternatives for their Warmaster.
In the Chaos Campaign, Abaddon places Eliphas in charge of slaying Azariah Kyras, as Abaddon feels threatened that a rogue Chapter Master/Chief Librarian becoming the Lord Ascendant would instigate a power play that could possibly out Abaddon as the Warmaster of Chaos.
The Alpha Legion, fed up with Abaddon's failed Black Crusades, decide to throw their lot in with the Daemon of the Maledictum, manipulating events so that Kyras and Maledictus become the Ascendant and begin a new reign of terror that might actually be successful.
The best part about the Alpha Legion's plan is the role of Eliphas the Inheritor. Araghast learned the hard way that Eliphas serves himself before anyone else. Eliphas also uses this particular line to mock Kyras when the Daemon tries to bribe him.
That implies that Eliphas has bigger plans once he's finished with Kyras. True to his backstabbing nature, I wouldn't put it past him to challenge Abaddon should he ascend to Daemonhood.Eliphas to Kyras said:
So, for the Alpha Legion, it's a win win scenario. Either Kyras kills Eliphas and becomes the Lord Ascendant, challenging Abaddon, or Eliphas does, and challenges Abaddon. Considering that the Dawn of War games tend to include victory conditions from each faction into their "true canon", I can see this as a viable course.
A successful Black Crusade might finally break Chaos's hold on the galaxy. Abaddon has proven he's incapable of doing such, so the Alpha Legion turned to alternatives for their Warmaster.
Just speculation on my part, but wouldn't that be awesome if it came true?
That does sound awesome (Black Legion are almost as bad as Ultramarines in my legendarily humble opinion, they need replacing) but it would seem to put paid to the whole "secretly good guys willing to make a colossal sacrifice to save the universe" thing, which I kind of like.Soviet Heavy said:
Well, I really like the Warhammer 40K games that I´ve played on the PC, and the whole cosmos where it`s happening seems really damn interesting. I remember once stumbling upon a wiki for warhammer 40k, and what seemed like a minute passing was actually a few hours. Great stuff, really interesting.
However, the tabletop thingy is really damn expensive, no way i can buy any of that stuff.
Also, what kinda confused me was this: i thought 6th edition was some sort of a new set of rules (like in D&D, 3.0, 3.5, and so on). But is new lore, not new rules? Or does anyone care to explain in a bit further detail what the editions are about, and how does this work?
I am clueless. I have no clue. I am the opposite of someone that has a clue.
However, the tabletop thingy is really damn expensive, no way i can buy any of that stuff.
Also, what kinda confused me was this: i thought 6th edition was some sort of a new set of rules (like in D&D, 3.0, 3.5, and so on). But is new lore, not new rules? Or does anyone care to explain in a bit further detail what the editions are about, and how does this work?
I am clueless. I have no clue. I am the opposite of someone that has a clue.
6th Edition is indeed a new set of rules for the Table Top game. Actually, it would be more realistic to say it tweaks 5th edition rules and adds and substracts other stuff.
But Warhammer 40K rulebooks also update/retcon/add some parts of fluff, which is being discussed here.
Hope that helped
But Warhammer 40K rulebooks also update/retcon/add some parts of fluff, which is being discussed here.
Hope that helped
Could be natural selection at work? Psykers in Commoragh get turned into playthings or nommed by Slaanesh; over several generations that would probably result in the 'psychic gene' or whatever it is dying out.TimeLord said:
It does both. It updates and alters the rules and alters and expands the lore too. Think of it as something like a WoW expansion; they muck about with the background and the mechanics in equal measure.Owlslayer said:
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