Ways that Oblivion is superior to Skyrim

[Epona]

If you read it in the Bethesda forum then you're just repeating someone else's opinion...

Nope, pretty sure I have my own opinions. Ever read anything you agree with? Does that mean you don't have an opinion?

 

[Zeema]

I can't think of a single way that Oblivion is better. Honestly.

yeah same here i don't really get the problem

in Oblivion i have crashed alot of times.
in skyrim i haven't once

- No athletics or acrobatics. Really, I want to run faster and jump further as I progress in the game.
why would you wan't it you already get spell's to make you run faster. PLUS you can turn into a werewolf and run faster then a horse

 

[SextusMaximus]

Skyrim's going to be better for one reason. Every reason it is worse than Oblivion (there are few, and I LOVED Oblivion) will be fixed with mods. Just wait a month

 

[Epona]

I never said the combat in Oblivion is better than Skyrim, Skyrim has better combat. So you say that combat is why people play these games. Well then, the combat in Oblivion couldn't have been that bad if that's why everyone played it. Actually, combat is only a part of a TES game and not the most interesting part either. Role playing and building the character you want.

Skyrim has it's improvements over Oblivion but then I never said everything in Oblivion is superior to everything in Skyrim.

Obviously combat is only one aspect of the game. But it is probably the most important. I enjoy role-playing as much as anyone, but the combat (or at least skill implication, and by that I mean the use of the skills the game has set) is probably the most important part to the game. And I personally think Skyrim does it better, for the aforementioned reasons. And you can still build the character you want.

On a whole, are you trying to argue Oblivion is the better game? Or just complain about the list you had set up at the start of your thread? Because that is fine, but I can't see how Oblivion is better.

This may come as a shock to you but all I am arguing is that some things were done better in Oblivion. The clue is in the opening post and in the title.

 

[Epona]

Skyrim's going to be better for one reason. Every reason it is worse than Oblivion (there are few, and I LOVED Oblivion) will be fixed with mods. Just wait a month

People keep saying that mods will fix everything. You will be dissapointed, it will take years to get all the mods needed to fix all of Skyrims problems just like it took years with Morrowind and Oblivion. In fact, was UI on Oblivion every really fixed to be more like Morrowinds UI? I don't think so.

 

[Grunt_Man11]

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This may come as a shock to you but all I am arguing is that some things were done better in Oblivion. The clue is in the opening post and in the title.

It's not a very good clue.

"Way Oblivion is superior to Skyrim."

That tells me at first glance that you are saying that Oblivion is superior to Skyrim plain and simple. It doesn't tell me that Oblivion had a few things that were better than Skyrim.

Next time try titling the thread something like, "A few things Oblivion does better than Skyrim."

 

[Irony's Acolyte]

You could level up your minor skills in Oblivion too, they just didn't count towards a level up. You didn't know that? In Oblivion you could add up to +5 in three different attributes. In Skyrim you can add 10 points to either HP, MP or Stamina. Skyrim has adopted Bioware's ability system which was always inferior to just straight out leveling your skills.

Yes, I knew that you could level up your minor skills. But they had no effect on you leveling up. Your major skills were all that counted towards that. So if you happened to find out that you enjoyed using a different skill than what you expected in the very beginning of your play through, tough luck! It doesn't help you level.

As for attributes, I'm pretty sure Skyrim did away with them entirely. I'm not going to say that it's better or worse, as it's simply two different systems. Skyrim's system is more streamlined than Oblivions, which can be both good and bad. If you liked having attributes, then sure losing them is certainly a negative. But now I don't have to worry about one of my attributes not being high enough for a certain skill or item or whatever. I hardly see how one system is immediately 'inferior' to the other. More subjective problems it sounds like to me.

And by 'Bioware's ability system' do you mean in the Dragon Age games where you had different attributes like Strength, Dexterity, Cunning...?

 

[zenoaugustus]

I never said the combat in Oblivion is better than Skyrim, Skyrim has better combat. So you say that combat is why people play these games. Well then, the combat in Oblivion couldn't have been that bad if that's why everyone played it. Actually, combat is only a part of a TES game and not the most interesting part either. Role playing and building the character you want.

Skyrim has it's improvements over Oblivion but then I never said everything in Oblivion is superior to everything in Skyrim.

Obviously combat is only one aspect of the game. But it is probably the most important. I enjoy role-playing as much as anyone, but the combat (or at least skill implication, and by that I mean the use of the skills the game has set) is probably the most important part to the game. And I personally think Skyrim does it better, for the aforementioned reasons. And you can still build the character you want.

On a whole, are you trying to argue Oblivion is the better game? Or just complain about the list you had set up at the start of your thread? Because that is fine, but I can't see how Oblivion is better.

This may come as a shock to you but all I am arguing is that some things were done better in Oblivion. The clue is in the opening post and in the title.

Don't get sarcastic because I asked you a question. That's a quick way to make any enemy for no reason. It isn't "a shock to me". If you had followed your clue and read one of my earlier posts, perhaps you would've read that I also believe certain aspects of Oblivion were superior. Don't get so defensive, I was merely trying to add to your discussion and build a constructive conversation about two good games.

 

[Radeonx]

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This may come as a shock to you but all I am arguing is that some things were done better in Oblivion. The clue is in the opening post and in the title.

It's not a very good clue.

"Way Oblivion is superior to Skyrim."

That tells me at first glance that you are saying that Oblivion is superior to Skyrim plain and simple. It doesn't tell me that Oblivion had a few things that were better than Skyrim.

Next time try titling the thread something like, "A few things Oblivion does better than Skyrim."

"Ways that Oblivion is superior to Skyrim" obviously says the message that he didn't say Oblivion was better plain and simple. If he was doing that, he would've just said "Oblivion is superior to Skyrim". The ways makes it blatantly obvious that he was talking about just a few things.

 

[MultiElford]

So discussions aren't allowed on a discussion board? I mean, doesn't every discussion fall into two categories, with the crowd or against the crowd? Is the latter not allowed?

Oh no, sorry for the misunderstanding.
A discussion is great and if you were just trying to talk about how Skyrim might have been better and ask our opinion about it, I have nothing more to say than what I said in the first part of the post (while i do agree with you when it comes to U.I and technical difficulties, Skyrim is a more immersive experience due to the new guilds and factions in my opinion, and that is all that matters in an RPG as long as it is playable, which Skyrim certainly is)

Its just my belief that a person has to be open-minded in order to lead a nice discussion. If you are already anti-Skyrim and won't change your mind about it even if others might have present good arguments which pretty much determine that Skyrim cannot be considered a worse game than Oblivion, then it won't be a discussion but just an egocentric thread trying to undermine other people's love and opinion for/about the game. If you still want your opinion to be heard, make a review, but don't start a discussion about it.

Again, just my opinion, sorry for being so harsh about it. I guess my last post was stupid, so I am sorry. I would delete it if I could *embarassed*

 

[IOneShotOneKill]

half the negatives posted in this thread are basically "I haven't done this yet, but I'm sure it makes the game worse, and if you disagree with me you're wrong"
I put about 80 hours into this game and I've loved it.
Only negative I have are that for me the quest chains are significantly shorter.
But I guess that's to stop all the hypercritical people complaining that they're too long.
If they'd left loads of stuff the same you'd be complaining that it's the same game as Oblivion and they should have done more to change it in the last 5 years.

 

[Epona]

I can't think of a single way that Oblivion is better. Honestly.

yeah same here i don't really get the problem

in Oblivion i have crashed alot of times.
in skyrim i haven't once

- No athletics or acrobatics. Really, I want to run faster and jump further as I progress in the game.
why would you wan't it you already get spell's to make you run faster. PLUS you can turn into a werewolf and run faster then a horse

I prefer a passive ability to a spell. I didn't have to turn into a beast in Oblivion to run faster, I just had to build up that skill which I did by running. I thought it worked fine in Oblivion so long as you didn't choose it as a major skill. I guess some people couldn't figure that out though so the skills had to be eliminated.

 

[pliusmannn]

Oblivion dungeons was boring, oblivion's were boring, game was too short, for that time it was a graphics masterpiece but not a game i would prefer for gameplay, just and eye candy, everything was similar in oblivion. Morrowind was a masterpiece, both gameplay and graphics, every dungeon different from one another, and now in Skyrim it is even more different, i've found similar dungeons, but i also found that it was more interesting to clear skyrim's dungeons, than any dungeon in oblivion, some dungeons in skyrim takes you into dwemer ruins (which were abscent from oblivion, also you can delve into deep regions underground in skyrim, now in morrowind too.

 

[rvbnut]

I have found Skyrim to be a step down from Oblivion in a few ways:

- No athletics or acrobatics. Really, I want to run faster and jump further as I progress in the game.

- The character creator is worse than the one in Oblivion (which was pretty bad too)

- The UI is ugly compared to the one in Oblivion. It looks like it just has a white/gray frame.

- The UI was designed for looks (that's a failed attempt) rather than functionality. You can't sort your inventory, you can't view your character when equipping stuff.

- Oblivion performs better at it's worst than Skyrim does at it's worst, both compared on the PS3.

Well, there are a few and I know there are more because I have read about them on the Bethesda forums. What say you?

Imo Skyrim is much better than Oblivion.

- No athletics or acrobatics. Really? You want to be able to unrealistically jump over people? And run faster than the horses?

- The character creation is much better than Oblivion, a lot more natural in the way you can manipulate the character. Plenty of choices for the look of your character

- The UI in Skyrim is amazing. It is so intuitive and sleek. It's really smooth. Also there are only 4 pieces of information that the player needs to know Magicka, Health and Stamina, And when you aren't in combat or using one of these stats, they hide. Very good UI design.

- The UI aesthetically looks very pleasing. As for the sorting, it sorts automatically by alphabetical order, I can understand if people want to manually sort their items. The lack of being able to view your character while you equip your items is not really a loss cos all you need to do is just go out of the menus and look at your character in 3rd person. Easy enough. Also I seriously doubt you are going to judge what armour you wear on just how it looks.

- I can only vouch for the pc but skyrim plays much better than oblivion performance wise.

 

[Fusioncode9]

My big problem is with the map. It was fine in Oblivion, but in Skyrim it just feels like it was made to look nice rather than be useful. I also like the guild system better in Oblivion, in Skyrim they felt shorter. Lastly, I really wish they brought back the arena, that was one of my favorite parts about Oblivion. Everything else I enjoy.

 

[Epona]

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This may come as a shock to you but all I am arguing is that some things were done better in Oblivion. The clue is in the opening post and in the title.

It's not a very good clue.

"Way Oblivion is superior to Skyrim."

That tells me at first glance that you are saying that Oblivion is superior to Skyrim plain and simple. It doesn't tell me that Oblivion had a few things that were better than Skyrim.

Next time try titling the thread something like, "A few things Oblivion does better than Skyrim."

Well, there are always better ways to say things but oddly enough, those things are only seen in hindsight.

 

[Casual Shinji]

I'll give you one huge reason why Skyrim crushes Oblivion like a bug: No sleep necessary in order to level up.

I can't tell you how many exp. I wasted because I was in the middle of nowhere without an Inn in sight and I couldn't fast-travel because I was surrounded by enemies. And the game wouldn't count exp. earned if your bar was already full up and ready to be slept off.

And no, the character creation might not be as extensive this time around, but so what? I made the most beautiful looking dark elf in Oblivion, but that didn't change the fact that everyone else looked like shit.

And having basic movement skills like walking and jumping add to your exp. basically forced you to choose those skills as not to feel left out of the loop. Whereas Skyrim simply upgrades whatever skill you feel like using.

And ofcourse there was the enemy leveling... *ugh*

 

[Grunt_Man11]

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This may come as a shock to you but all I am arguing is that some things were done better in Oblivion. The clue is in the opening post and in the title.

It's not a very good clue.

"Way Oblivion is superior to Skyrim."

That tells me at first glance that you are saying that Oblivion is superior to Skyrim plain and simple. It doesn't tell me that Oblivion had a few things that were better than Skyrim.

Next time try titling the thread something like, "A few things Oblivion does better than Skyrim."

"Ways that Oblivion is superior to Skyrim" obviously says the message that he didn't say Oblivion was better plain and simple. If he was doing that, he would've just said "Oblivion is superior to Skyrim". The ways makes it blatantly obvious that he was talking about just a few things.

No, it actually said to me, "Oblivion is superior then Skyrim and this is why."
The title is misleading. The keywords are "is" and "superior" here.

A couple of other better titles would be:
"Things I miss from Oblivion."
"Things, I think, were done better in Oblivion."

 

[similar.squirrel]

The omission of athletics and acrobatics was a strange idea. I was rather looking forward to leaping at people in the manner of a dual-wielding tarsier. Also, the dodge-roll ability would have saved me a great many deaths, seeing as I don't wear armour, shield or block.

 

[Radeonx]

snip

This may come as a shock to you but all I am arguing is that some things were done better in Oblivion. The clue is in the opening post and in the title.

It's not a very good clue.

"Way Oblivion is superior to Skyrim."

That tells me at first glance that you are saying that Oblivion is superior to Skyrim plain and simple. It doesn't tell me that Oblivion had a few things that were better than Skyrim.

Next time try titling the thread something like, "A few things Oblivion does better than Skyrim."

"Ways that Oblivion is superior to Skyrim" obviously says the message that he didn't say Oblivion was better plain and simple. If he was doing that, he would've just said "Oblivion is superior to Skyrim". The ways makes it blatantly obvious that he was talking about just a few things.

No, it actually said to me, "Oblivion is superior then Skyrim and this is why."
The title is misleading. The keywords are "is" and "superior" here.

A couple of other better titles would be:
"Things I miss from Oblivion."
"Things, I think, were done better in Oblivion."

Well, I don't know what to tell you, because 95% of the other people in this thread were able to understand what he was saying just fine.