Ways that Oblivion is superior to Skyrim
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Don't agree. I think Skyrim is superior and I am enjoying it very much. Probably a bit more then Oblivion, which I enjoyed as well. I'd give you a bunch of details why and maybe a few witty backhanded comments about your points, but there isn't really a point in doing that. Everything I want to say has probably been said before and then eventually picked apart.
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I totally agree! I'll definitely be going back to Oblivion...
...right after the game unglitches my uncurable vampirism, gets rid of the strange green/blue hue under every character's eyes, gives me a separate panel for keys so I don't have to scroll through all 324 of them just to get to a repair hammer, makes companions more useful, adds an actual use for sleeping more than 1 hour a day, makes Oblivion gates actually worth entering, and adds something to do after I've gone through all of the most interesting quests.
Skyrim is - technically and content-wise - a better game.
If we want to talk about the UI, then please explain to me why I need to sort through eighty-billion books, deeds, and keys just to get to my repair hammers? Sure, I could hotkey it (360) but that's a spot that could be used for my chameleon spell which doesn't make much sense considering I could just use invisibility.
The GUI - save, possibly, the map - is much better (in my opinion): essential things are finally separated (potions from ingredients, keys from misc, etc.).
As for the "oh boy, a different enemy avatar!" comments, please. You and I both know that if they replaced the dragons with - say - a rhombus, you'd call them out for adding something that doesn't fit. Yes: avatar and enemy behaviors do matter. That's why the dragons are an improvement over - say - your companions from the last game. Sure, they're not the most difficult things in the world, but they add a flavor to the game that's enjoyable.
As for perks replacing skill enhancements, what's the difference? They're not different than unlocking different abilities at the apprentice, journeyman, expert, and master stages except that there are more to choose from and many appear in between those classic designations, allowing you to better define your playstyle. Additionally, there are more perks in Skyrim than there were bonuses in Oblivion.
Most of the OP sounds like an appeal to nostalgia, if nothing more than crying over elements that are pretty much no different than Oblivion.
TES IV had a worse UI, worse character creator, and was technically inferior (less draw distance on characters, constant loading stops, constant drops in framerate in the bigger battles, etc.).
...right after the game unglitches my uncurable vampirism, gets rid of the strange green/blue hue under every character's eyes, gives me a separate panel for keys so I don't have to scroll through all 324 of them just to get to a repair hammer, makes companions more useful, adds an actual use for sleeping more than 1 hour a day, makes Oblivion gates actually worth entering, and adds something to do after I've gone through all of the most interesting quests.
Skyrim is - technically and content-wise - a better game.
If we want to talk about the UI, then please explain to me why I need to sort through eighty-billion books, deeds, and keys just to get to my repair hammers? Sure, I could hotkey it (360) but that's a spot that could be used for my chameleon spell which doesn't make much sense considering I could just use invisibility.
The GUI - save, possibly, the map - is much better (in my opinion): essential things are finally separated (potions from ingredients, keys from misc, etc.).
As for the "oh boy, a different enemy avatar!" comments, please. You and I both know that if they replaced the dragons with - say - a rhombus, you'd call them out for adding something that doesn't fit. Yes: avatar and enemy behaviors do matter. That's why the dragons are an improvement over - say - your companions from the last game. Sure, they're not the most difficult things in the world, but they add a flavor to the game that's enjoyable.
As for perks replacing skill enhancements, what's the difference? They're not different than unlocking different abilities at the apprentice, journeyman, expert, and master stages except that there are more to choose from and many appear in between those classic designations, allowing you to better define your playstyle. Additionally, there are more perks in Skyrim than there were bonuses in Oblivion.
Most of the OP sounds like an appeal to nostalgia, if nothing more than crying over elements that are pretty much no different than Oblivion.
TES IV had a worse UI, worse character creator, and was technically inferior (less draw distance on characters, constant loading stops, constant drops in framerate in the bigger battles, etc.).
Well, you could always discuss it on a mod forum and get somebody to fix all the little details that irritate you so you don't have to ***** about it here. Y'know, if you want to just enjoy the game instead of complaining about it like you could have done better. Just a thought.Crono1973 said:
well you should have bought it on PC, champ. and in case you forgot, oblivion had just as many issues on release as Skyrim, on the PlayStation anyway.Crono1973 said:
But that's not the ironic part, heres a list of your complaints
"""No athletics or acrobatics. Really, I want to run faster and jump further as I progress in the game.
- The character creator is worse than the one in Oblivion (which was pretty bad too)
- The UI is ugly compared to the one in Oblivion. It looks like it just has a white/gray frame.
- The UI was designed for looks (that's a failed attempt) rather than functionality. You can't sort your inventory, you can't view your character when equipping stuff.
- Oblivion performs better at it's worst than Skyrim does at it's worst, both compared on the PS3."""
the skill selection has nothing to go with the platform
the UI has fuck all to do with the platform
the character creator has nothing to do with the platform
and their are no graphics settings on the PS3 (meaning there is no worst or best. its always the same graphics. So it's either better or not)
so I fail to see what you having it for the PS3 has to do with anything.
the lag issues you are having are caused by the PS3 itself, so tough luck on your choice of gaming hardware.
EDIT: oh yeah, immersion is extremely important to a game. I don't remember who it was that was complaining about dragons being "another high level avatar" but that thought is a hollow one. you don't give a shit about how a game feels, go jump back into the DOS-gaming hole you crawled out of. I hear dwarf-fortress and nethack are still good. And for the full feel, play DF without texture packs! then you are literally fighting stats! YAY!
If you never learned to drop off keys and books in a chest somewhere or never learned to use the hotkeys for your repair hammers, don't pretend to know enough about Oblivion to make a comparison....or were you just exaggerating?ThePilgrim101 said:
about 99% of your complaints are not specific to the PS3, so yes. yes we are going to tell how flawless our PC experience was.Crono1973 said:
EDIT: oh I almost forgot
you are doing the snappy comeback wrong!
2 to 1!
DEMOCRACY!
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Moving the goal post are you? Let's review:Darkmantle said:
You said:
I stopped playing the game because of the lag on the PS3. So in response I said:
So here we are with you moving the goal post pretending that I stopped playing because of my non performance related complaints. I bet everyone else understood why I stopped playing.
Well then complain about the lag. The lag is a legitimate issue. however, that was not mentioned in you OP, that was brought in after. So All of your original complaints are invalid, as they are cross platform issues, do you need a reminder of what they were?Crono1973 said:
"""No athletics or acrobatics. Really, I want to run faster and jump further as I progress in the game.(no PS3 Specific)
- The character creator is worse than the one in Oblivion (which was pretty bad too) (not ps3 specific)
- The UI is ugly compared to the one in Oblivion. It looks like it just has a white/gray frame. (not PS3 specific)
- The UI was designed for looks (that's a failed attempt) rather than functionality. You can't sort your inventory, you can't view your character when equipping stuff.(not PS3 specific)
- Oblivion performs better at it's worst than Skyrim does at it's worst, both compared on the PS3.(PS3 specific, although wrong because vanilla oblivion was just as buggy on PS3)"""
EDIT: looks like it's time to EDIT the OP then. maybe even the title
change it to something like "lag issues with skyrim" and maybe I'll take your shift of complaints seriously
EDIT2: actually you should start a new thread, because you have already mucked this one up. so turn over a fresh leaf with a clearer goal.
Yes it was listed in the OP:Darkmantle said:
Oblivion performs better at it's worst than Skyrim does at it's worst, both compared on the PS3.
Oblivion TODAY runs better on the PS3 than Skyrim does. I don't know how it ran at launch because I didn't have it at launch. Good thing I used the word "performs" instead of the past tense version of that word.
To be fair to this whole thread, and the responses within it, I couldn't enjoy Oblivion as much as I wanted to. There were problems with it that I had since I spent so much time in the land of Morrowind. Things like:
- Unique caves and dungeons that didn't have the exact same room in most of them (unless you consider corridors, which are minor really).
- The lack of Jump or Levitation spells (I liked being able to basically fly over the landscape).
- Being restricted on my enchanting (no more skirts of absorb energy for 100? Blah).
The last 2 are minor and I would've kept playing without them, but going into random caves lost appeal to me when I kept ending up in the same room over and over again. Plus having them restock with enemies after a set period of time really pissed me off.
Moving on, there were things I liked about the game, the combat system didn't suck, sneaking and bows were pretty awesome, physics seemed alright, and although the AI was kinda meh, it was something new. Now onto Skyrim:
My Good:
+ Kept the good combat system
+ AI seems about the same, although I think slight tweaks are needed.
+ Caves and internal areas are at least somewhat unique, I haven't noticed "cookie cutter" rooms.
+ Skill trees are fairly unique and seem pretty thought out.
My Meh:
? Simplified armor/skills/stats/spells
? Game UI (honestly I don't care, it works)
? Storyline driven characters (certain builds just don't work)
? World map feels a little lacking, but is still pretty nice
My Bad:
- Crafting feels lacking, not enough variety (even with Smithing maxed)
- (over) Simplified NPC interactions.
- No Enchanters, only tables here and there.
I'm trying to come up with a 4th bad to keep all the areas even, but I can't think of one at the moment. A lot of the "Meh" section can go either way in certain instances.
- Unique caves and dungeons that didn't have the exact same room in most of them (unless you consider corridors, which are minor really).
- The lack of Jump or Levitation spells (I liked being able to basically fly over the landscape).
- Being restricted on my enchanting (no more skirts of absorb energy for 100? Blah).
The last 2 are minor and I would've kept playing without them, but going into random caves lost appeal to me when I kept ending up in the same room over and over again. Plus having them restock with enemies after a set period of time really pissed me off.
Moving on, there were things I liked about the game, the combat system didn't suck, sneaking and bows were pretty awesome, physics seemed alright, and although the AI was kinda meh, it was something new. Now onto Skyrim:
My Good:
+ Kept the good combat system
+ AI seems about the same, although I think slight tweaks are needed.
+ Caves and internal areas are at least somewhat unique, I haven't noticed "cookie cutter" rooms.
+ Skill trees are fairly unique and seem pretty thought out.
My Meh:
? Simplified armor/skills/stats/spells
? Game UI (honestly I don't care, it works)
? Storyline driven characters (certain builds just don't work)
? World map feels a little lacking, but is still pretty nice
My Bad:
- Crafting feels lacking, not enough variety (even with Smithing maxed)
- (over) Simplified NPC interactions.
- No Enchanters, only tables here and there.
I'm trying to come up with a 4th bad to keep all the areas even, but I can't think of one at the moment. A lot of the "Meh" section can go either way in certain instances.
While it doesn't come close to making Oblivion a remotely better game than Skyrim to me (stale generic fantasy setting in my TES? no thank you), I absolutely agree about the UI. Oblivion's wasn't great, but MAN is the Skyrim UI terrible.
-No idea about performance though since I'm running it on PC (haven't had a single slowdown).
-Character creation seemed fine to me (a lot of the races are just downright less hideous and plenty of customization).
-Lack of acrobatics and athletics was a fine decision to me. It was dumb that the system made walking speed a statistic - especially one that benefited some characters (fighters) far more than others (mages). I shouldn't have to invest in an otherwise useless skill just because I don't want it to take forever to get anywhere. And acrobatics always looked incredibly silly, even if it was fun (I don't miss it, but wouldn't have minded it). I imagine they left it out so they could more carefully make use of vertical limitation rather than having to actually fence everything off (there are a lot of areas that use a drop to make travel one-way).
My main complaint beyond the UI is the sad lack of variety in bound spells. My greatest desire was to play a magical assassin, especially thanks to the sneak perk where daggers do extra backstab damage, but there is no bound dagger! Given that bound weapons are such an easy spell to balance (since ideally the weapon system is already balanced), this seems like a pretty silly omission.
I want Morrowind's PC UI back
-No idea about performance though since I'm running it on PC (haven't had a single slowdown).
-Character creation seemed fine to me (a lot of the races are just downright less hideous and plenty of customization).
-Lack of acrobatics and athletics was a fine decision to me. It was dumb that the system made walking speed a statistic - especially one that benefited some characters (fighters) far more than others (mages). I shouldn't have to invest in an otherwise useless skill just because I don't want it to take forever to get anywhere. And acrobatics always looked incredibly silly, even if it was fun (I don't miss it, but wouldn't have minded it). I imagine they left it out so they could more carefully make use of vertical limitation rather than having to actually fence everything off (there are a lot of areas that use a drop to make travel one-way).
My main complaint beyond the UI is the sad lack of variety in bound spells. My greatest desire was to play a magical assassin, especially thanks to the sneak perk where daggers do extra backstab damage, but there is no bound dagger! Given that bound weapons are such an easy spell to balance (since ideally the weapon system is already balanced), this seems like a pretty silly omission.
I want Morrowind's PC UI back
Your edits? Yes, I read them and disregarded them. Maybe you could start a new thread about how much better Skyrim is than Oblivion and how you have had no technical problems with it on PC and that no one else should have any technical problems on any platform because you didn't. As for me, well, I'll wait for the patch and hope for the best. I may end up selling it back to Gamestop if it remains so choppy post patch.Darkmantle said:
I will post it again so you can see itCrono1973 said:
Oblivion performs better at it's worst than Skyrim does at it's worst, both compared on the PS3.(PS3 SPECIFIC, ALTHOUGH WRONG BECAUSE VANILLA OBLIVION WAS JUST AS BUGGY ON THE PS3)"""
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