when is this casual gaming plauge going to stop?
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It's not going to stop.
Sorry to dissapint you but gaming's pretty much a mainstream entertainment industry now and most publishers want to make money.
You can make more money with something the masses will enjoy than the group of thirty or so critics that declare something "a work of art" sad but true.
as for the casual vs hardcore thing I think there are at least three types of games maybe four
Casual:
This is for your Peggle's your Tetris's your (Insert other here) they don't cost too much to make and are easy to get to grips with and to learn how to play also you can kill an hour here and there without making a big commitment to play.
Mainstream:
This is your Halo's your Call of duty's your pretty much anything's often high cost but as they appeal to the majority of people who play games they can earn more money than God
Gamers Games:
What these games are can vary depending on your point of view so I won't go into detail but financially these are a risk,
they can become famous and turn huge profits or they can go completely under the radar though they often get cult followings or become popular years after the fact(Psychonauts) sometimes the company/development team may get shut down despite tehir games being loved by anyone who bothered to play them(Clover).
Then of course there's Artsy games which could go anywhere above or nowhere at all.
Tl;Dr? mainstream games make money end of.
Sorry to dissapint you but gaming's pretty much a mainstream entertainment industry now and most publishers want to make money.
You can make more money with something the masses will enjoy than the group of thirty or so critics that declare something "a work of art" sad but true.
as for the casual vs hardcore thing I think there are at least three types of games maybe four
Casual:
This is for your Peggle's your Tetris's your (Insert other here) they don't cost too much to make and are easy to get to grips with and to learn how to play also you can kill an hour here and there without making a big commitment to play.
Mainstream:
This is your Halo's your Call of duty's your pretty much anything's often high cost but as they appeal to the majority of people who play games they can earn more money than God
Gamers Games:
What these games are can vary depending on your point of view so I won't go into detail but financially these are a risk,
they can become famous and turn huge profits or they can go completely under the radar though they often get cult followings or become popular years after the fact(Psychonauts) sometimes the company/development team may get shut down despite tehir games being loved by anyone who bothered to play them(Clover).
Then of course there's Artsy games which could go anywhere above or nowhere at all.
Tl;Dr? mainstream games make money end of.
Since when did the length determine whether or not a game was casual?
That aside, the amount of fluff that these "original, well balanced, un-generic" games you speak of that is used to draw out the game has been removed by this gen. Rather than expanding what could essentially be a six hour narrative into 30 hours of repetitive nonsense, games like Portal understand this and instead focus on creating a concentrated experience.
Original? Some casual(ish) games like Braid, World of Goo and trine are far fresher than the endless fantasy D'n'D RPGs that came out in the 90's or the brown castle simulators that were Doom and Quake.
That aside, the amount of fluff that these "original, well balanced, un-generic" games you speak of that is used to draw out the game has been removed by this gen. Rather than expanding what could essentially be a six hour narrative into 30 hours of repetitive nonsense, games like Portal understand this and instead focus on creating a concentrated experience.
Original? Some casual(ish) games like Braid, World of Goo and trine are far fresher than the endless fantasy D'n'D RPGs that came out in the 90's or the brown castle simulators that were Doom and Quake.
i agree on portal but at the time those games were the top of the order and actually where fresh i think considering they where made by the companies that i dunno created the systems,and at the time where creative considering it hadn't been done a million times by then....and the word casual kinda self explains the lack of time to play the gameshipholyte said:
Quoted for truthRavek said:
10 miuites looking at what people have done with mario paint or little big planet on youtube is all the evidence you need on that point.
What about golf? You don't think there are people out there who are so hardcore about the sport that they create huge tournaments for professional and amateur players so they can play against each other for substantial amounts of money? Or people like Tiger Woods who have been swinging a club since they would walk? And yes, Tiger's had his personal problems explode into the media and tarnish his reputation, but it doesn't take away from his talent level nor his desire to be the best at what he does. I find that pretty hardcore.Dracovec said:
I'll have to agree with you on this one.cptawesome said:
The only real problem with casual games I've ever really noticed is with the Wii, where third party support seems to be almost exclusively shovelware titles.
Not every title has to be a gigantic epic, and doesn't need the scale of Halo or Resident Evil. As fun as those games are, sometimes you just want to play something mindless and fun.
Take Tetris, for example. The graphics are bare minimum, gameplay is incredibly simplistic. No plot, no characters, nothing but blocks and a catchy tune. That's casual gaming at it's best, and I gaurantee you that there isn't a gamer out there that hasn't played it.
There's no need to have this wierd elitist view on simplistic games. If you don't like them, just don't play them.
i already explained myself on this issue yes there are a lot of good games,the decline in them is what im worried about and also on that note im not a snob and if a million assholes wanna jump into a spike pit i think ill grab the vine and swing over and im not trying to convince anyone they can have there opinions as long as it doesnt ruin the things i love666Chaos said:
You constantly accuse games of either being "copies", "casual games", or "corporate slop" without ever providing the requisite evidence to support your argument. What games have stunted you in such a way as to convince you that all games are apparently terrible because you own a ton of games? For instance, as far as these "space marine shooters" go, can you even NAME any such title NOT named Halo or Killzone? More importantly, have you PLAYED these games to ensure that they are in fact, bad? If shooters aren't your thing, that's perfectly fine, but I think you clarify that before you accuse all games of being cut from exactly the same moulds as the games prior to these. You and I definitely grew up in separate worlds if you remember classic title after classic title coming out in earlier generations and nothing but shit coming out now.Dracovec said: